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goddesstex.org uploaded /Special:Log/upload "uploaded "[[File:Cool Text - wwwGODDESSTEXorg 475247110668934.png]]" https://indieweb.org/File:Cool_Text_-_wwwGODDESSTEXorg_475247110668934.png"
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doesnm what is it?
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Loqi It was a dark and stormy night https://indieweb.org/It
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goddesstex.org created /User:Goddesstex.org (+64) "Created page with "[[File:Cool Text - wwwGODDESSTEXorg 475247110668934.png|center]]"" (view diff)
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[tantek] [Joe_Crawford]++ for nailing the reasons why I avoid discords except for "entertainment" and testing things.
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Loqi [Joe_Crawford] has 19 karma in this channel over the last year (130 in all channels)
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[tantek] also their notification UI is still crap (sorry, but it is) especially in terms of muting servers, channels, and ESPECIALLY @-all @-everyone mentions which are hardcoded treated the same as if someone @-mentions you personally. I have been on discords where people @-everyone in the "announcements" channel and that makes a red number show up despite me having muted that channel in particular.
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[tantek] it's mind-boggingly dumb
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[tantek] i.e "`Only @mentions`" is a lie
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[tantek] as gRegor said the default is "notifications were overwhelming" so I refuse to steer new people to a tool that frankly harms their mental health by default
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[tantek] if there were some way for admins of a discord to setup the default notifications settings FOR THAT DISCORD then maybe I'd reconsider.
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[tantek] speaking of admin settings, please set Verification Level back to "Must also be a member of this server for longer than 10 minutes", this is (was) blocking TONS of spam (which I've seen on other discords)
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[tantek] Medium / "Must also be registered on Discord for longer than 5 minutes" is insufficient to block the VERY common spambot practice of: create an account on a spammer discord, wait 5 minutes, go spam all the open channels on the list of discords you've been able to find. for crypto, onlycorn, whatever
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[tantek] basically, unless we have volunteers here (multiple, in order to cover 24/7 timezone adjusted, weekends, taking vacations) who are willing to (1) rapidly block clear spammers, and (2) rapid delete clear spam from IRC/chat archives, and the various clients (at least Slack and Discord), then we can't bear to have only "Medium" verification level on Discord
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[tantek] absent said volunteers, please set it back to "High"
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capjamesg[d] Done!
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aaronpk I shared a screenshot above of the server specific setting of the default notifications not set to everyone
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[tantek] that's a good start
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[tantek] thanks capjamesg[d]++
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Loqi capjamesg[d] has 17 karma in this channel over the last year (217 in all channels)
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[tantek] what is discuss
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Loqi 💬 Join #indieweb discussions via Discord, Slack, web chat, or IRC, (they are all bridged!) with focused channels for developers, WordPress, and meta topics! https://indieweb.org/discuss
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tantek.com edited /longevity (+67) "fix red link, move informal post to a new section" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /longevity (-1) "fix redlink" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /longevity (+108) "move Berlin 2024 session to IndieWeb Sessions" (view diff)
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[tantek] the /longevity page could use more gardening (especially of See Also section, but also link-checking/updating entries in the other sections)
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goddesstex omg
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artlung.com edited /events/2025-02-04-writing (-199) "some reformatting cleanup" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /User:Artlung.com (+111) "Added IndieWeb Carnival" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /User:Artlung.com (+617) "/* Elsewise: adding Smorgasborg */" (view diff)
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[tantek] I suppose I should add that 10 minute Discord thing to the FAQ
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aaronpk yes please. it was not clear whether it was intentional or just a default discord setting we hadn't changed.
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tantek.com edited /discuss (+1146) "/* FAQ */ Why do I have to wait 10 minutes on Discord" (view diff)
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[tantek] aaronpk, capjamesg[d], please review and feel free to correct anything: https://indieweb.org/discuss#Why_do_I_have_to_wait_10_minutes_on_Discord
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aaronparecki.com edited /discuss (+1) "/* Why do I have to wait 10 minutes on Discord */" (view diff)
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aaronpk slight rephrase to make it more friendly
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[benatwork] tantek++ - coming to this late but I hate Discord with an undying passion for exactly these reasons
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Loqi tantek has 37 karma in this channel over the last year (145 in all channels)
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[tantek] looool [benatwork] 🤝
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[tantek] Discord << Criticism: {{artlung}}: https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2025-02-04/1738703694398400
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Loqi ok, I added "Criticism: {{artlung}}: https://chat.indieweb.org/meta/2025-02-04/1738703694398400" to the "See Also" section of /Discord https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=99825&oldid=98162
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[tantek] [Joe_Crawford]++ to forward the karma from [benatwork]
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Loqi [Joe_Crawford] has 20 karma in this channel over the last year (131 in all channels)
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[tantek] we need an "old man yells at Discord" custom emoji 😂
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artlung.com edited /IndieWeb_Carnival (+344) "/* List Of Past IndieWeb Carnivals & Hosts - tabularizing */" (view diff)
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aaronpk in my experience with several discords, it's the giant ones with poor moderation that are the problem. i'm in a bunch of small ones that are perfectly fine and not chaotic at all
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aaronpk that said, i do not like the discord implementation of threads, slack's is much better
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[tantek] ^ 💯 this
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[tantek] Either do chat threads slack style or not at all (IRC style)
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (+10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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artlung.com edited /IndieWeb_Carnival (+0) "/* 2023 minor reformat */" (view diff)
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gRegor There's also their forum-type sections, which are actually nice and I prefer over Discord threads, but it's just confusing having three different types of discussions like that.
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gRegor A couple I'm in, people tend to pin several messages in channels because it's hard to find things you need later, even like a day later, haha
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gRegor Oh and while I'm ranting, DST issues with recurring events :D Ok, done for now. I can take it to random if more, haha
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kaja.sknebel.net edited /User:Kaja.sknebel.net/upcoming-hwcs (-10) "update from events.indieweb.org" (view diff)
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[tantek] gRegor++ we love a good silo rant
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Loqi gRegor has 48 karma in this channel over the last year (122 in all channels)
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[aciccarello] I want to add some examples to the travel page but am wondering what the header should be.
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[aciccarello] We have for common sections we list "IndieWeb Examples" and "Silo Examples"
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[aciccarello] I do see some pages with "Other Independent Examples" or "Additional Examples"
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www.ciccarello.me edited /context (-3) "/* Other Examples */ rename to standard Silo Examples" (view diff)
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[aciccarello] I see quite a few "Other Examples" so I'll just go with that
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www.ciccarello.me edited /travel (+135) "Create "Other Independent Examples" section" (view diff)
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www.ciccarello.me edited /travel (+145) "Create "Why" section" (view diff)
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www.ciccarello.me edited /travel (+0) "Move "Session" heading so examples were together" (view diff)
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capjamesg[d] !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2025/02/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-EPXLryuDYt89 events/2025-02-05-hwc-europe
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capjamesg[d] [edit] !archive https://events.indieweb.org/2025/02/homebrew-website-club-europe-london-EPXLryuDYt89 events/2025-02-05-hwc-europe
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