[tantek]I have heard "firehouse" more often used in the context of "all posts from a silo" which can be so voluminous / rapid that the effect is like trying to drink from a firehose.
[tantek]the home page of Twitter used to show all recent posts from all accounts. and you could keep it open and watch it update in realtime (and not miss any posts)
LoqiIt looks like we don't have a page for "lifestream" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "lifestream is ____", a sentence describing the term)
[tantek]personally (IMO) I don't think it's either accurate or useful to refer to a personal "all" feed as a "firehose" because that dilutes (so to speak) the actual meaning of "you can't possibly consume this via RSS etc." that motivated silos to create their "firehose" features as proprietary streaming APIs
aaronpkoh yeah, the reason for calling it "firehose" and not a "feed" was specifically because of the metaphor of the overwhelming flow of water from a firehose
[artlung]variations in how folks view them, but lots of overlap in the terminology. I also feel like there are combined explicit sidefile feeds for this and so far I'm *not* doing that.
[tantek][artlung] I think some of my perspective / background here is that the emergence of "firehoses" as a "thing" was when [KevinMarks] and I were at Technorati, and it was very much a silo/hosting-provider only thing where they either needed to or preferred to provide a firehose for indexing rather than all the traffic polling individual feeds
[tantek]Mark Pilgrim's use of "Firehose" was I believe irony and poking fun at the term rather than a serious use, and thus deserves to be taken with a grain of salt or two rather than a "first real example" sort of thing
[tantek]That is, I don't think it's historically accurate to document Pilgrim's example as a "real example" as opposed to an example of humor / backhanded critique
aaronpkmakes me wonder what other current silo trends/terminology we can ironically publish on our own websites that will cause this confusion in another 15 years
[artlung]All I have on the firehose page is "One usage of the term" - I am not citing it as first or "real." As to "real" - I'm skeptical ironic usage can even apply. Popehat's Law gets all such would-be ironists in the end.
[artlung]aaronpk that's a good cite, and very much similar to how Bluesky uses it - when you have a giant corpus of user activity - how to you consume, retransmit, manage such a thing?
[tantek]I suppose theoretically a personal site could include all the webmentions sent to it from other authors, other sites etc. in some sort of "firehose" that would be closer in meaning
[tantek]if someone was posting /read posts for every post they read from the personal site social reader, then those original posts could also be included
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gRegor Hm, /firehose seems pretty much like a /composite_stream
Loqi A composite stream is a stream that interleaves multiple types of posts, such as notes and articles https://indieweb.org/composite_stream
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[artlung] Bluesky uses the term. https://docs.bsky.app/docs/advanced-guides/firehose
[tantek] I will note https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestreaming as background / prior art
aaronpk here's an early use of "firehose" in this context https://www.usenix.org/conference/usenix-winter-1994-technical-conference/drinking-firehose-multicast-usenet-news
[KevinMarks] Several of the firehose feeds originally were individual atom/rss items concatenated.
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