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Loqi IndieWeb friendly refers to online services interoperating by supporting open formats, protocols, and IndieWeb building-blocks as well as enabling users to transition to their own personal sites, and an implementation guide for social networks to interconnect with the IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/friendly
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# Loqi Posterous (.com) was a blogging silo that also used shortdomain post(.)ly and shut down 2013-04-30, just over a year after being acquired by Twitter on 2012-03-12 https://indieweb.org/Posterous
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[tantek] [capjamesg] rich formats support is necessary but not sufficient. GitHub supports a "backbone" of HTML or "plain text" (markdown flavored), does that mean you believe http://GitHub.io subdomains are personal websites?
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[capjamesg] These are all fair points. On Bear Blog, they do have a manifesto linked on their home page where they explicitly say they will not sell: https://herman.bearblog.dev/manifesto/
# [capjamesg] Things could of course change but I thought I’d note it.
# [capjamesg] I think Bear Blog redirects your links if you upgrade to a custom domain which is nice.
# [capjamesg] My heart says that someone who is on Neocities and making a personal website is just as much a part of the IndieWeb as someone who owns a domain.
# [capjamesg] Of note, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv223kX0SRg, which seemed to capture people’s imagination, shows many sites that are on Neocities without custom domains.
# [capjamesg] Perhaps the difference between having “only” a personal website and being part of the IndieWeb is that you have a domain?
# [capjamesg] With that said, I _still_ think there is an essence of spirit that transcends this.
# [capjamesg] It’s very possible, but notable that there are people coalescing around the idea of personal websites — and bring very creative in what they make — who are not using their own domains.
# [capjamesg] Yeah. That was what came to mind as a potential counter-example too 😄
# [capjamesg] I think another part of this is that you have firmly your own space. Like, Bear Blog lets you add your own CSS and people have made creative themes. Neocities lets you do full custom HTML, etc.
# [capjamesg] That’s a fair point (and one I totally get). The idea that when you leave a platform every link to it breaks is beyond frustrating.
# [tantek] http://Micro.blog also enables such customizations and themes but you won't get Manton himself claiming that your microblog site is an indieweb site. Because he's lived through those losses
# [tantek] That's really it. You don't own your permalinks on Neocities or bearblog or even http://micro.blog. Thought the latter two do commit to doing redirects for you which is a nice touch / improvement over past content hosting sites
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[pcarrier] (just a thought: you don't own your domain either, you rent it)
# [capjamesg] I think the “indie” part of Neocities, etc. is that you have your own space where you can make things independent from large social platforms. I’m not saying trusting small services is a good thing in the long-term, but I think there are different definitions of “indie” of which we should be cognisant. If I see someone making a personal website in HTML/CSS that they use to express themselves, I consider them firmly part of the
# [capjamesg] I might point out that having a domain is valuable for many reasons, and that not having one can cause problems, but I wouldn’t see them as being any less a part of the spirit of the IndieWeb without one.
# [capjamesg] My argument is not that having a domain name is not useful, but that there are people who are using the term to refer more to the creative aspect of the web (which is something I think we should highlight more!).
# [capjamesg] Also I have only been awake for 15 minutes so apologies if this could be better articulated. In about 4 minutes my alarm is going to go off 😂
# [capjamesg] This may be flawed but the argument that comes to mind is I am not any less of a reader if I only use library books. I don’t technically own any of the books I am reading, and my library could close down (we fought it off for now though!), but I can still spend a few weeks with a book. In theory I could buy a book I first read in the library at any time from a bookshop to really own the book, but that means I’d need to pay something,
# [capjamesg] that is a non-insignificant obligation for many.
# [capjamesg] (The flaw in this argument I think, now I read it back, is that libraries don’t necessarily claim they are indie like we do; this is pre-tea James missing things 🙃 )
# [capjamesg] Yep, I knew there was a flaw somewhere 😄
# [capjamesg] If you are hosting a personal website on GitHub Pages, I think it’s also of the spirit of the IndieWeb because: (i) you made it; (ii) you get to update and change it in the way you want; (iii) you can move your data at any time. Everything you do in the time you use the service lets you experiment with what having a personal website means. This is all (if you want it to be) a creative endeavour.
# [capjamesg] Your links could be taken from you at any time, which I agree is not indie, but, equally, all of that time has been spent making something that’s your own.
# [capjamesg] Where I could see a flaw in my logic is if Meta offered static site hosting tomorrow. I wouldn’t consider sites hosted on this hypothetical platform to be in the spirit of the community.
# [capjamesg] I might write up more of my thoughts on this at some point.
# [capjamesg] I didn’t think I’d have as much to say 😅
# [capjamesg] https://blog.avas.space/alternatives-trust/ is adjacent to this too, not in the sense of ownership, but in terms of how a service being small doesn’t necessarily mean it is better or more trustworthy.
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[artlung] Yes, responsive in email clients, including Outlook, is the pitch. https://documentation.mjml.io/
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[aciccarello] Was looking at https://indieweb.org/discovery#Crawlers and noticed the RSS Discovery Engine link is a Heroku app that is down (https://rdengine.herokuapp.com/). The https://web.archive.org/web/20240814124430/https://rdengine.herokuapp.com/ a very different tool than the site I found when searching (https://sermetpekin.github.io/rss-discovery-engine/). I imagine it's safe to assume those are different, right?
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{{custom domain silo list}}" (view diff)# [artlung] what other sites allow for adding a custom domain name to an existing service? https://indieweb.org/custom_domain_name
# [capjamesg] Bear Blog!
# [capjamesg] omg.lol too.
# [capjamesg] Nekoweb maybe?
# [capjamesg] Sourcehut Pages and Codeberg Pages might too.
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{{status historic}}" (view diff)# [artlung] can I prevail upon you capjamesg to add to https://indieweb.org/Template:custom_domain_silo_list ? At least stubs? Whatever you can do. I know it's late. 🙂
# Loqi Sourcehut (AKA sr.ht) is an open-source platform for hosting code, version control, and a build automation system https://indieweb.org/Sourcehut
# [capjamesg] https://home.omg.lol/info/switchboard are the instructions for omg.lol.
# [capjamesg] https://wiki.nekoweb.org/w/custom_domains_and_subdomains.html documents that custom domain support exists but isn’t particularly comprehensive.
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# [capjamesg] On Tumblr, I think you need a premium account to use a custom domain.
# thamara_k There is also Pika.page
# thamara_k $6/mo I think
# [capjamesg] Tumblr’s docs don’t say anything about paying but I think I paid specifically so I could set up https://tumblr.jamesg.blog.
# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "pika" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "pika is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegor ooh, micropub: https://indieweb.org/Micropub/Servers#Pika
# gRegor also mentioned https://indieweb.org/content_management_system#See_Also
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# Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "pika pika" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "pika pika is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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# [artlung] We have a fair number of mostly old pages with `__TOC__` in them. That does nothing. Is that a bug that was introduced at some point? Did that signifier break with some upgrade? https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=100&offset=0&profile=default&search=__TOC__ https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual%3aTable_of_contents#See_also I tried the `__FORCETOC__` code and that didn't do anything different/
# [artlung] so, is this page - for example - https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started_on_WordPress -- it has the __TOC__ before the graf that starts _"Part of the IndieWeb is also"_