#microformats 2012-07-25

2012-07-25 UTC
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@benwerd
Heading to the #microformats2 meetup under the Westfield Dome in San Francisco: http://t.co/ToLgrE5B
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tantek
edited /microformats-2 (+0) "/* Examples in the wild */ )"
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tantek
edited /microformats-2 (+294) "/* Presentations */ add 2012-07-21 preso"
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myriamwhitney
created /index.php?title=Mediawiki&rcid=57928 (+3748) "New page: <h1>Rapid Payday Loans A fast File size</h1> <p> [http://www.livepaydayloans.com/ payday loans] can be extremely attractive times during an urgent financial circumstances. No need to exp..."
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tantek
edited /Special:Log/block () "blocked [[User:Myriamwhitney]] with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Spamming links to external sites"
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@OrestesCA
HTML5 + Microformats2 (will it stick this time?) http://t.co/tdTi3c80
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@Thos003
#searchex @si1very has both schema and hcard format on his address markup.
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@Thos003
#searchex @si1very Still uses hcard format for other legacy systems that may crawl and not use schema yet.
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@JohnWEllis
Taking care of that when I get back. RT @Thos003 #searchex @si1very has both schema and hcard format on his address markup.
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@de_henne
nice presentation: the next evolutionary step for web data http://t.co/cQkOlyPU
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@csslab
#HTML5 & #Microformats 2 http://t.co/ks7mHKer
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@FreeWSOdownload
Free download: WSO - WP Author hReview (Plugin) http://t.co/7QX9U90f
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@ChiefRA
Very nice presentation for #microformats 2 http://t.co/saZgAwHC
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@theystolemynick
á connaître : microformat 2 http://t.co/ek1uaHuZ (mais pas de note sur la comparaison avec microdata ou le support Google)
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FlavioOliveira
Hi
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FlavioOliveira
is some one there?
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tantek
hello FlavioOliveira
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FlavioOliveira
i has replying to your email now
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tantek
but we has irc now
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tantek
irc > email, more people to help with q&a
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tantek
without having to send essays back/forth
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FlavioOliveira
ok
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FlavioOliveira
as i was telling on email
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FlavioOliveira
one of my main goals to that specification proposal
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FlavioOliveira
is to have the possibility of
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FlavioOliveira
define a hierarquical relation on places
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FlavioOliveira
and have the possibility to define how is it composed with other sub places
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FlavioOliveira
existing specs are the way to "richify" the place definition
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FlavioOliveira
but
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FlavioOliveira
it could be interesting to have a way to define how a place is composed
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FlavioOliveira
do you have a skype?
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FlavioOliveira
??
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neuro`
FlavioOliveira: do you have a real life example of that place / subplace hierarchy?
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mkowens
neuro`: I've not seen a specific document, but I would suspect that there are a few reasonable examples: 1) Shopping Mall with a number of shops inside of it
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mkowens
2) Food Court with a number of restaurants inside of it
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mkowens
3) Airport with a number of Gates, Shops, and Restaurants inside it
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mkowens
4) University with a number of buildings, offices, and areas within it
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mkowens
and, 5) Office Building with individual businesses/offices inside of it.
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FlavioOliveira
hi mkowens
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FlavioOliveira
thats my goal
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mkowens
In fact, one thing that seems weird to me is that every time I go to the SoMa StrEat Food Park here in SF that I can't check-in to that and a specific food truck in a single check-in
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mkowens
I have to perform two separate check-ins to accomplish that even though one is a superset of the other.
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mkowens
It's the whole concept of Place Resolution.
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FlavioOliveira
OK, that's my point!
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FlavioOliveira
what do you feel about create a spec for this?
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mkowens
For Example, the Place Resolution Chain for the Bacon Bacon Food Truck here in SF would be: "World > North America > United States of America > California > San Francisco > SoMa > SoMa StrEat Food Park > Bacon Bacon"
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FlavioOliveira
yes!
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FlavioOliveira
exactlly
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mkowens
FlavioOliveira: I'm not sure there's necessarily a spec required to achieve this, but exploring it as an concept seems reasonable.
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mkowens
s/as/a
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Loqi
mkowens meant to say: FlavioOliveira: I'm not sure there's necessarily a spec required to achieve this, but exploring it a an concept seems reaonable.
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mkowens
Bah.
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mkowens
Typo'd in my search/replace.
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mkowens
lol
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FlavioOliveira
how?
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FlavioOliveira
i've a website project where it seems to be a great way to define the place hierarchy
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FlavioOliveira
where you can find events for a different kind of filters!
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FlavioOliveira
and one filter is just the place where events are pointed to exist
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neuro`
mkowens: oh, yeah, I see, didn't thought about it that way
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tantek
A good way to further explore it as an concept would be to analyze a real world publishing example of such space/place/location hierarchy.
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tantek
FlavioOliveria, mkowens, do you know of any sites/pages where physical locations/venues are discussed hierarchically?
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neuro`
Shall we consider multiple levels, or would a dl be enough?
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neuro`
I'd rather see a visual implementation, like a map, but then we need a textual fallback
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neuro`
Or a definition list with multiple lists
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mkowens
http://www.geonames.org/ already has a fairly substantial Hierarchical Place API
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mkowens
Similarly, Wikipedia uses a limited hierarchical display for their Places "Info Box" on various cities: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco
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neuro`
Good.
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neuro`
The geonames API definitely makes me want to use a dl
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mkowens
In fact, http://geotree.geonames.org is an amazingly impressive display.
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mkowens
Jump to SF, for example: http://geotree.geonames.org/5391959/
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FlavioOliveira
OK, take a look to my project:
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FlavioOliveira
(sorry if it is not on english :S:S:S)
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FlavioOliveira
<mkowens> http://www.geonames.org/ already has a fairly substantial Hierarchical Place API
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tantek
existing APIs/formats is next
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tantek
first step is to gather real-world examples of publishing content
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FlavioOliveira
it shows a plist of venues for a 2 level of apacial hierarchy
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FlavioOliveira
first step is to gather real-world examples of publishing content
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FlavioOliveira
SORRY
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tantek
perhaps start collecting the URLs on a page like http://microformats.org/wiki/nested-location-examples (see http://microformats.org/wiki/examples to see how to start such a page)
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FlavioOliveira
list of velues with 2 levels of hierarchy
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tantek
and for previous/existing APIs/formats for nested locations, put URLs to them on http://microformats.org/wiki/nested-location-formats
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tantek
then we can share both collections of research for further analysis (and attempts to "just" use nested hCards etc.)
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tantek
also I wonder how much this might overlap or relate to the effort to define a "breadcrumb" microformat
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tantek
which is often used to convey nested page hierarchy in navigation
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tantek
FlavioOliveira - are you able to create an account on the wiki? http://microformats.org/wiki - once you do that and log in, you can create/edit pages to list the examples you (and others have come up with)
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tantek
(feel free to copy past them from IRC into a discrete list)
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tantek
huh I wonder what happened to have krijnh drop off the channel
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tantek
edited /hcard-input-examples (+9536) "start shopping checkout section with Advance Auto Parts example, prune some leftover scripting/presentational markup"
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tantek
edited /hcard-input-examples (+49) "/* examples */ person billing shipping input"
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tantek
edited /hcard-input-examples (-193) "/* Advance Auto Parts */ -non-form stuff"
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