#microformats 2017-06-18

2017-06-18 UTC
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gRegorLove tantek: I had a question about VCP dt-parsing. On http://microformats.org/wiki/value-class-pattern#Date_and_time_parsing for "if the value has *only* a specific time (with or without timezone)" the timezones are all XXYY variants..
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gRegorLove Then below that "if the value has *only* a specific timezone" it allows an XX-only variant
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gRegorLove I was wondering if those XX-only variants should be allowed in the time+timezone section as well
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gRegorLove e.g. <span class="value">HH:MM-XX</span>
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tantek wow that was so long ago I don't remember the examples that lead to that design, and I don't think I was as diligent as capturing / publishing examples at that granularity back then :(
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gRegorLove The difference between the two is a minor regex update, so I could leave it as-is for now and it can be changed in the future.
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gRegorLove checks what other parsers do
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tantek gRegorLove: lacking specific examples / use-case needs, another principle to use in answering this question is which is more predictable / easier to understand for authors?
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gRegorLove If we allow hour-only tz offsets, I think it's easiest if it's allowed in both parts
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tantek I cannot remember why hour-only tz offsets made sense or were necessary
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tantek and that seems like both extra parsing work, and extra author knowledge (that it is possible to do hour-only)
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tantek the next principle to consider is which is more conservative in terms of what is allowed / supported as "valid" content?
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tantek the point being, it's easier to add flexibility later than to remove it
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sknebel writing just "GMT+2" or whatever is quite common, if you're using vcp you then can just add a span to the "+2"
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gRegorLove Perhaps it originated because ISO8601 allows +-HH format
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tantek ISO8601 allows for a lot that typical subsets (RFC3339, W3C-Date-time-note) do not
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tantek sknebel makes a stronger point
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sknebel (I was thinking about the indieweb HWC pages, but of course there the timestamps are not marked up because they are not indiivdual events)
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gRegorLove It's not much extra parsing work, for php-mf2 at least. Just a modified regex
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tantek sknebel - if it is quite common, can you find a real world example to cite?
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gRegorLove Agreed, good example sknebel
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tantek that way we can collect that (perhaps in /timezone-examples )
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tantek and then cite that in any clarification to /vcp
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gRegorLove Interesting. Ruby parses <span class="value">13:30-07</span> as "2017-06-17 13:30:00"
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tantek language date-time parsing support is sloppy to nonexistent for timezones
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gRegorLove Oops, didn't paste the date part of that html. Date is specified separately
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gRegorLove <span class="value">2017-06-17</span><span class="value">13:30</span> parses correctly as "2017-06-17 13:30"
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gRegorLove Ruby parser, I mean
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gRegorLove mf2py drops the time and timezone if I specify HH:MM-XX, only gets the date part
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gRegorLove tantek: After collecting examples, should I hopen a github issue on https://github.com/microformats/microformats2-parsing?
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Loqi [microformats] microformats2-parsing: For collecting and handling issues with the microformats2 parsing specification: http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing
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gRegorLove (hopen? what? h-open? heh)
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tantek lol
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tantek yes, as /vcp is a normative part of /microformats2-parsing, that's the best way forward to make an explicit change in vcp
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gRegorLove /vcp is locked for edits btw
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gRegorLove Wow, the Wikipedia Microformats project experimented with a microformat for species: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Microformats/classes#Species
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@alek3_ii Webを支える技術のmicroformatsの章、完全に？？？状態で終わってしまった (twitter.com/_/status/876274824670199809)
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ben_thatmustbeme Microformats seems gets a lot of references in Japanese tweets
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ben_thatmustbeme Err 'referenced a lot'... Grammar
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@t 11y ago: “Open data formats, longevity, and microformats” http://tantek.com/log/2006/06.html#d17t2231 Still ok. Minus XHTML: http://tantek.com/2017/169/t1 (twitter.com/_/status/876364881666224128)
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@t_s_institute 11y ago: “Taylor Swift formats, longevity, and microformats” http://tantek.com/log/2006/06.html#d17t2231 Still ok. Minus XHTML: http://tantek.com/2017/169/t1 (twitter.com/_/status/876364968345706496)
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tantek wat
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@TT_SemWeb 11y ago: “Open data formats, longevity, and microformats” http://tantek.com/log/2006/0… http://tantek.com/2017/169/t1/open-data-formats-longevity-microformats, see more http://tweetedtimes.com/topic/RWW/semantic-web?s=tnp (twitter.com/_/status/876408585911234560)
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sknebel tantek: have you considered blogging about https://microformats.io/ on microformats.org? It's a good introduction and right now not all that easy to find, a blog post would but it relatively centrally on microformats.org
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Loqi Microformats
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tantek good morning sknebel
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sknebel good morning
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tantek sknebel: where did microformats.io come from?!? I don't think I've seen it before
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Zegnat shaners made it
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sknebel oh wow. shane becker made it
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Zegnat https://github.com/veganstraightedge/microformats.io/
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tantek this is amazing
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tantek shaners++
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sknebel and a bunch of people around the parsers have contributed the web interfaces for the individual parsers
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Zegnat it was used a lot during the vcp issues, as it gives quick access to several parsers
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tantek it looks very new
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sknebel it is
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sknebel 3-4 weeks or so
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@t Simple & beautiful #microformats intro for web authors & devs: https://microformats.io/ Great work @veganstraightedge (ttk.me t4ov2) (twitter.com/_/status/876476069095890944)
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@adactioLinks Microformats : Meaningful HTML https://microformats.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/876483226017165312)
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@aburone @adactioLinks Since you posted this... Which would be the "correct" microformats for a physical product in a e-com… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/876497748480098304 (twitter.com/_/status/876497748480098304)
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@veganstraightedge @aburone @adactioLinks http://microformats.org/wiki/h-product (twitter.com/_/status/876498271941689344)
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@portiLinks Microformats : Meaningful HTML https://microformats.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/876553997674397696)
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