#microformats 2018-08-03

2018-08-03 UTC
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@nagahitoyuki ↩️ #SearchConsole の #構造化データ だと #hatom として表示される。従来はラベルの「rel="tag"」だけが検出されていた。#Microformats の #hfeed がルートで付いているけど、#hentry を含まないと他の諸々の項目も検出されないんだ。#SEO効果 が確認されれば #Blogger の新テーマの密かな利点だろう。 (twitter.com/_/status/1025173632224440321)
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@nagahitoyuki ↩️ #人気ブロガー の #あんちゃ の #まじまじぱーてぃー のソースコードを調べてみたら記事に #Microformats がきっちり入っていた。hentry：記事、vcard：著者名、updated：公開日、entry-title：タイトル、entry-content：本文、等々。やはり #SEO対策 に役立つのかも知れない。https://www.nagahitoyuki.com/2018/05/explore-the-technique-that-ancha-drives-500000pv-per-month-on-mazimaziparty.html (twitter.com/_/status/1025211704286695424)
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@nagahitoyuki ↩️ #人気ブロガー の #あんちゃ の #まじまじぱーてぃー のソースコードを調べたら記事に #Microformats がきっちり入っていた。hentry：記事、vcard：著者名、published：公開日、entry-title：タイトル、entry-content：本文、等々。やはり #SEO対策 に役立つのかも知れない。https://www.nagahitoyuki.com/2018/05/explore-the-technique-that-ancha-drives-500000pv-per-month-on-mazimaziparty.html (twitter.com/_/status/1025212821578047489)
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Zegnat Yesterday was a PSR dev day, I think today will be a mf2 day :)
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@nagahitoyuki ↩️ #人気ブロガー の #あんちゃ の #まじまじぱーてぃー のソースコードを調べたら記事に #Microformats がきっちり入っていた。hentry：記事、author：著者名、published：公開日、entry-title：タイトル、entry-content：本文、等々。やはり #SEO対策 に役立つのかも知れない。https://www.nagahitoyuki.com/2018/05/explore-the-technique-that-ancha-drives-500000pv-per-month-on-mazimaziparty.html (twitter.com/_/status/1025329487188131841)
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sknebel I'm poking at the mf2py tree issue again
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@growdigital ↩️ dammit, need to add absolute URLs for microformats first!!! and, er, documentation in the readme… (twitter.com/_/status/1025373794075140099)
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sknebel snarfed and anyone else interested in mf2py: https://github.com/snarfed/mf2py/pull/2
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Loqi [sknebel] #2 Implement and document safe operations on incomplete copies of BS4 elements
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sknebel aaronpk: the "Warning: DOMNode::appendChild(): Document Fragment is empty in..." thing is preventing me from logging into Quill!
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aaronpk oh no! wait I thought I fixed that
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aaronpk maybe I forgot to update quill
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aaronpk ah forgot to finish that
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aaronpk try again
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sknebel aaronpk: works, thx
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aaronpk woo
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sknebel agh template tags
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sknebel knew some edge case would pop up
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gRegorLove uh oh
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sknebel working on reducing the copying in mf2py while still have it not modify dom tree's it is given. and missed that we also "handle" template tags by just deleting them
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sknebel tests++
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Loqi tests has 5 karma in this channel over the last year (11 in all channels)
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KartikPrabhu is this about not modifying the given soup?
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tantek__ not even some fresh ground pepper?
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Loqi Welcome, tantek__. We've had an influx of IRC spam recently, and you were not yet recognized as a non-spammer. Your previous message wasn't sent to the channel, but I'm repeating it below so everyone can see it. You are now marked as verified, so your future messages will be sent as normal.
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Loqi tantek__: not even some fresh ground pepper?
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KartikPrabhu we do add some pepper to mf1 soups but don't do anything with the soup that the user gives us
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sknebel which involves some tricky magic copying only some of the noodles in the soup, while keeping sometimes the filling from the original noodle in the copied one!
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sknebel KartikPrabhu: yes
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KartikPrabhu yeah, the blanket deletion of <template> will affect tests
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sknebel (since I just checked) all in the spec about them is in a non-normative section "ignore <template> elements - stuff between <template> tags don't end up in the DOM"
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sknebel KartikPrabhu: the blanket deletion isn't new, it's just a spot outside backcompat where we modify the soup
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KartikPrabhu yeah I know. It is actually very old code
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KartikPrabhu evne before my time
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KartikPrabhu so yeah the tests I added would have failed with <template> too
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KartikPrabhu totally overlooked that one
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sknebel which tests?
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KartikPrabhu the "check if the document is modified" tests
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sknebel ah
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sknebel I just did ones that just compare the HTML serialisation
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sknebel skipping <template> in parsing would be relatively easy, but getting them out of e-contents is annoying
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KartikPrabhu yeah
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KartikPrabhu actually I am not sure if we should be deleting <template> from e-* : html
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KartikPrabhu tantek__: ^
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tantek__ good question
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KartikPrabhu no use case yet, but the mf2 parsing says to skip all <template> tags
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KartikPrabhu I agree with that for all properties except e-*>html is the strane one
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sknebel thought about that too. kinda the same as with script in e-content: everyone using e-content from outside sources is going to sanitize it anyways, so it'd not be soo bad?
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tantek__ I think we decided conservatively that it made more sense to skip the <template> tags, until someone showed a real world use-case to include them or do template processing or something
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sknebel I think we initially didn't do anything
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sknebel and then someone had a template setup with mf2 classes, and we parsed that as if it were content
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KartikPrabhu oh
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tantek by "didn't do anything" you mean didn't do anything "special", as in treat template like span
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KartikPrabhu yes
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KartikPrabhu it would be totally possible in mf2py to not parse a <template> for any properties but keep it is e-* > html
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sknebel yes, sorry, meant treat like span
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sknebel oh, that's really older than I though
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sknebel t
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KartikPrabhu yeah, that is very old code
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sknebel https://chat.indieweb.org/microformats/2015-01-21#t1421884226755000
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Loqi [tommorris] tantek: yes, the template tag needs to be ignored. mf2py already does this and I believe php-mf2 does too. someone reported it on IRC a while back (Hixie perhaps?)
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tantek oh hey then we should have a test for ignoring it
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sknebel not in the general test suite it seems. mf2py has one, but that doesn't have any opinion on the e-content case
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KartikPrabhu right
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sknebel (I also like how the template deletion thing is in a file called "temp_fixes.py", added 2014 and since then only updated to match coding styles)
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KartikPrabhu yup, it is pretty much consistent through history
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sknebel okay, I'll sleep over this. If anyone is willing to offer a firm opinion if including <template> tags in e-content is acceptable or not I'll consider it in the morning
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sknebel good night!
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Loqi sleep tight!
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KartikPrabhu sknebel: lets follow spec for the time being and ignore it. night!
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@nagahitoyuki ↩️ #SEO対策 で強力なサイトの多くが #Microformats のhentryを使っている。たぶん #WordPress の人気のテンプレートに付いているせいなのかも知れない。今はもうMicroformats2のh-entryが出ているけど、しかし #Google検索 は #構造化データ として認識しないらしいんだ。古いままでやるべきだと考える。 (twitter.com/_/status/1025526518556983296)
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