#microformats 2018-08-04

2018-08-04 UTC
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gRegorLove Zegnat: Updated the PR with your code. Thanks! https://github.com/indieweb/php-mf2/pull/189
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Loqi [gRegorLove] #189 Normalize ordinal dates
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Zegnat Just saw the template element discussion. What is wrong with just handling them the way specified by the HTML spec?
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Zegnat IIRC, per spec they have no contents when perusing the tree. So they are basically the same as a stray <div></div>. That wouldn’t result in anything in any mf2 output. Also per spec, they aren’t skipped during string serialisation. This is what e- uses, so they should not be dropped from e- ?
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sknebel there's nothing "wrong" with that IMHO, it's something that's not clearly specified
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Zegnat Isn’t it implied? I thought the spec said to follow the HTML5 spec?
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Zegnat Definitely for e- it is specified, as that specifies to use the HTML5 spec’s serialisation
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sknebel question is if thats what consumers expect, the spec isn't very clear IMHO and I'm not sure what intent was if there was any for that case
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sknebel specifically I wonder if sanitization code following e- is likely to handle it properly
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Zegnat Ah, alright, but that feels like a different question from what the spec says today. http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing#parsing_an_e-_property is pretty clear that the html member is the output of the HTML5 spec algorithm, and that specifically covers template elements already.
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Loqi [Tantek Çelik] microformats2 parsing specification
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sknebel and clearly others interpreted it differnetly before, removing it completely, reading "ignore" as "ignore in all steps"
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Zegnat I am going to blame HTML parsers for that, actually. A lot of the parsers will just add the contents of template elements as direct tree descendants. Which is wrong, but the only way their (often XML tree based) backend can handle it :(
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Zegnat So then you end up having to fix it yourself, even though you probably haven’t read through the HTML spec as you are using a third-party parser
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Zegnat blames HTML parsers for lots of things :P
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Zegnat I wonder how accurate a parser on top of a full browser engine would be, as a reference implementation. Would be crazy slow to spin up headless chromium for every parse though.
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sknebel that's what the JS parser tries to do
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sknebel if you don't use the node version
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eeeeeta ooh, the spam is new and annoying
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Zegnat Uuh, Loqi, if you kick them, maybe not also say what they said?
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sknebel the parsers thing is actually the one reason to not leak it through I see
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sknebel : if the next state goesn't understand to completely remove it it might make template contents visible
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@Noith_CA hentry （マークアップ: http://microformats.org） 構造化データエラー が出たときの対処方法 http://column.noith.com/hentry-error/?utm_source=ReviveOldPost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ReviveOldPost (twitter.com/_/status/1025771229888700417)
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@ChrisAldrich ↩️ I can't help but thinking that this may be a potential use case for microformats. I notice there's already some useful pages and research on music and even sheet music on their website. If nothing else, I'd recommend that you or others delving [more...] https://boffosocko.com/2018/08/04/a-million-dollars-and-a-nobel-prize-imani-mosley/ (twitter.com/_/status/1025794736609734657)
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@SusanPotter Anyone remember microformats? (twitter.com/_/status/1025864908334923778)
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@pdxleif ↩️ There was already RDFa and microformats, but that wasn't enough, so Google put out microdata to go with http://schema.org... I fear open data and the web in general seems to be going downhill, these days. Just corporate silos, some of which have their proprietary APIs. (twitter.com/_/status/1025867876173926400)
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