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# 12:30 Loqi [gRegorLove] #37 Clarify parsing for mf2 property + mf2 root inside mf1 root
# 12:31 [aaronpk] Oh weird i thought we just did a round of updates to the php parser to fix this kind of thing
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# 17:17 gRegorLove I follow the reasoning on #37, but it would still like to clarify that "and is a property element" means what was identified in the earlier steps as a `property element`
# 17:17 gRegorLove vs. the general concept of a property element (mf1 or mf2 agnositc)
# 17:20 sknebel yeah, following the lines quoted by kartik it defines property element: " if such class(es) are found, it is a property element"
# 17:21 sknebel maybe changing the order works? "find property elements by inspecting the classes: a) if it is a backcompat root, b) otherwise ..."?
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# 20:55 GWG Zegnat, been thinking about bookmark-of to read-of
# 20:57 GWG Why can't a bookmark turn into a read post? Instead of both properties
# 21:02 Zegnat It can do that too. Just makes it not be a state of a bookmark
# 21:03 GWG Yes, but it's no longer a bookmark possibly if I read it
# 21:15 gRegorLove read-of should definitely be considered experimental and we should look into ways to consolidate and re-use
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# 21:18 [jgmac1106] I see them as different uses. Bookmark is an archiving tool, read post note an action "I read this"
# 21:18 GWG Gregorlove, read status started this conversation
# 21:19 GWG I don't want to use it, but I need to reflect unread vs read
# 21:19 gRegorLove among listen, watch, and read post types, there's definitely some room for re-use of something to indicate "status"
# 21:20 [jgmac1106] So @gwg in your case I might publish two. I would bookmark it and then if I want publish a post saying I read it I could... Or someone could revise a bookmark and make it a read
# 21:20 gRegorLove And I post more 'to-read' read-of posts than the other statuses
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# 21:22 [jgmac1106] But I think to later, start, finish should be same for read, listen, watchhh...something like dt start and dt finish in events
# 21:22 [jgmac1106] For me bookmarks are more social. I use that to build our library... To read and read more personal
# 21:24 [jgmac1106] I am still wondering why bookmark not elevated to canon yet. Seems to be enough examples in wild
# 21:24 Loqi [gRegorLove] #12 Upgrade u-bookmark-of from proposed to draft property
# 21:26 gRegorLove I need to do more research and documenting for other formats and existing practices to portray the information in `read-of` and `read-status`
# 21:28 GWG I was trying to posse to Pinboard but lack a read property
# 21:32 Zegnat Also want to throw in that a side comment from aaronpk was to look into some sort of “progress” property. Started/finished/20%/whatever could be the value.
# 21:33 [jgmac1106] Maybe status, dt-start and dt-finish could be used for any media..and I could see someone adding a span on a bookmark to also note their status of the media
# 21:37 gRegorLove That would work for POSSE to pinboard, too, since it supports tags.
# 21:42 GWG Pinboard has an explicit read status
# 22:01 Loqi [Tantek Çelik] h-event is a simple, open format for events on the web. h-event is often used with both event listings and individual event pages. h-event is one of several open microformat draft standards suitable for embedding data in HTML.
h-event is the microfor...
# 22:08 gRegorLove re-use is good, but I think start/end date is a slightly different topic
# 22:09 gRegorLove A simpler problem is "how do we convey whether we want to read, are reading, or finished reading?"
# 22:12 KartikPrabhu use value-class-pattern with some "standard" values and let the text version change according to author preferences
# 22:14 KartikPrabhu right, but the "read" part could probably be made more generic to include other media
# 22:14 gRegorLove But it feels overly specific, and since indiebookclub is the primary publisher of it and *only* consumer (that I know of), definitely want to find a better solution
# 22:15 gRegorLove I'm liking p-category currently, pending any serious consuming uses cases
# 22:16 KartikPrabhu so some "standard" set of values in p-category will be used as a "Status" ?
# 22:17 gRegorLove I say "no one" and "serious consumers" because I don't want IBC to drive this.
# 22:18 gRegorLove IBC's main use-case for having a distinct property is to include it in the micropub request.
# 22:19 gRegorLove It could send `category=to-read` instead of `read-status=to-read`
# 22:20 gRegorLove Yeah, internally IBC would map the human-friendly phrases to specific categories
# 22:21 gRegorLove It's a drop-down. There's also a text field to enter your own categories, so it would merge and de-dupe
# 22:22 KartikPrabhu like category=humperdoo would mean nothing to consumers of read-status
# 22:22 gRegorLove Yeah, but I can easily change that easily. That's what I mean when I say I don't want it to drive this.
# 22:23 gRegorLove IBC only consumes if you use the query params to pre-populate the form, which I'm not sure anyone even does.
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# 23:26 [kevinmarks] There is prior usage of tags for read status in delicious and pinboard