#microformats 2018-11-06
2018-11-06 UTC
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@ChrisAldrich I wish I could attend this talk by @gRegorLove. If you're a web developer or designer in the San Diego area, I highly recommend you attend as there aren't many people who could speak on the important topic of #microformats as well as he can. #PHP @SDPHP
https://boffosocko.com/2018/11/05/rsvp-an-introduction-to-microformats-november-7-2018/ (twitter.com/_/status/1059632195680165888)
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sknebel would like further comments on https://github.com/microformats/microformats2-parsing/issues/37 - I too think the spec is clear, but php-mf2 is diverging from other parsers here (https://github.com/microformats/php-mf2/issues/205) and I'd like that to be cleared up either way (mixed formats appear in WP quite a bit, so we actually have differing behaviour in the wild)
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gRegorLove I follow the reasoning on #37, but it would still like to clarify that "and is a property element" means what was identified in the earlier steps as a `property element`
# gRegorLove vs. the general concept of a property element (mf1 or mf2 agnositc)
# gRegorLove *agnostic
# gRegorLove Maybe even just some formatting the term, like we do on https://indieweb.org/authorship#How_to_determine
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[kevinmarks] why is the python parser not seeing the u-photo inside the e-content here? https://fireburn.ru/photo/bug-in-comments/
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Loqi [Vika] Bug in comment section https://fireburn.ru/img/avatar-bug-in-comments.jpeg
# Loqi [Vika] Bug in comment section https://fireburn.ru/img/avatar-bug-in-comments.jpeg
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# [kevinmarks] hm, what version do I have in unmung?
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# gRegorLove read-of should definitely be considered experimental and we should look into ways to consolidate and re-use
# gRegorLove same for read-status
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[jgmac1106] I see them as different uses. Bookmark is an archiving tool, read post note an action "I read this"
# gRegorLove among listen, watch, and read post types, there's definitely some room for re-use of something to indicate "status"
# [jgmac1106] So @gwg in your case I might publish two. I would bookmark it and then if I want publish a post saying I read it I could... Or someone could revise a bookmark and make it a read
# gRegorLove Although "status" itself feels too vague
# gRegorLove bookmarks can be 'to read later' too. I've often used that.
# gRegorLove And I post more 'to-read' read-of posts than the other statuses
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# [jgmac1106] But I think to later, start, finish should be same for read, listen, watchhh...something like dt start and dt finish in events
# [jgmac1106] For me bookmarks are more social. I use that to build our library... To read and read more personal
# [jgmac1106] I am still wondering why bookmark not elevated to canon yet. Seems to be enough examples in wild
# gRegorLove There's an issue to upgrade it https://github.com/microformats/h-entry/issues/12
# gRegorLove I need to do more research and documenting for other formats and existing practices to portray the information in `read-of` and `read-status`
# gRegorLove I don't follow. What's the specific question?
# [jgmac1106] Maybe status, dt-start and dt-finish could be used for any media..and I could see someone adding a span on a bookmark to also note their status of the media
# gRegorLove `category` could maybe be used for general status too
# gRegorLove `p-category="to-read"`
# gRegorLove That would work for POSSE to pinboard, too, since it supports tags.
# gRegorLove Hmm, I'm really liking that idea.
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KartikPrabhu dt-start already has a different meaning for h-event http://microformats.org/wiki/h-event#Properties
# gRegorLove re-use is good, but I think start/end date is a slightly different topic
# KartikPrabhu re-use is good if the meaning does not change drastically
# KartikPrabhu like p-name
# gRegorLove A simpler problem is "how do we convey whether we want to read, are reading, or finished reading?"
# gRegorLove or some other status.
# gRegorLove GWG, could you document that on indieweb.org/Pinboard ?
# KartikPrabhu gRegorLove: doing that like p-rsvp sounds promising
# KartikPrabhu use value-class-pattern with some "standard" values and let the text version change according to author preferences
# gRegorLove That's how p-read-status is being used currently
# KartikPrabhu right, but the "read" part could probably be made more generic to include other media
# KartikPrabhu so "read", "watch", "listen" could all be in the same property
# gRegorLove But it feels overly specific, and since indiebookclub is the primary publisher of it and *only* consumer (that I know of), definitely want to find a better solution
# KartikPrabhu I guess "p-status" is too generic
# gRegorLove I'm liking p-category currently, pending any serious consuming uses cases
# gRegorLove yeah, p-status feels too squishy
# KartikPrabhu so some "standard" set of values in p-category will be used as a "Status" ?
# gRegorLove standard, or not. *shrug*
# KartikPrabhu I mean p-category could have other tags too
# KartikPrabhu that are mostly useless as read-status
# gRegorLove Yeah, but no one is really consuming read-status
# KartikPrabhu no. I am asking how would IBC do it?
# gRegorLove I say "no one" and "serious consumers" because I don't want IBC to drive this.
# gRegorLove IBC's main use-case for having a distinct property is to include it in the micropub request.
# gRegorLove It could send `category=to-read` instead of `read-status=to-read`
# KartikPrabhu yeah
# gRegorLove Yeah, internally IBC would map the human-friendly phrases to specific categories
# KartikPrabhu right. so there would be a list of allowed ones I suppose
# gRegorLove It's a drop-down. There's also a text field to enter your own categories, so it would merge and de-dupe
# KartikPrabhu hmmm
# KartikPrabhu that would be weird for consumers of read-status
# KartikPrabhu like category=humperdoo would mean nothing to consumers of read-status
# gRegorLove I'm not aware of any! :)
# KartikPrabhu IBC does consume too no?
# gRegorLove Yeah, but I can easily change that easily. That's what I mean when I say I don't want it to drive this.
# KartikPrabhu ok
# gRegorLove IBC only consumes if you use the query params to pre-populate the form, which I'm not sure anyone even does.
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# [kevinmarks] There is prior usage of tags for read status in delicious and pinboard
# KartikPrabhu yeah pinboard was brought up
# KartikPrabhu wonder what goodreads does, probably a special value