#microformats 2019-05-30

2019-05-30 UTC
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[grantcodes] Totally random question not related to very much but I couldn't find an answer to with a quick search: What is the difference between post type discovery and type=h-whatever?
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[grantcodes] I get technical difference, but why isn't h-recipe just an h-entry with ingredients + steps (maybe not correct properties) and why are likes not h-like(s)?
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KartikPrabhu because there is no need to invent a h-* for every type of post
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KartikPrabhu so a like is a h-entry with a *-like-of property etc... the post type discovery algorithm is sort of a formalisation of that
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[grantcodes] Sure that makes sense, but then why h-resume, h-event, h-recipe etc, they seem like they would be easy to parse with discovery
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KartikPrabhu I think those preceded the discovery algorithm
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KartikPrabhu also they have a pretty specialised set of properties compared to h-entry
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[grantcodes] I could argue the properties reasoning for a like too 😛 literally the only thing that makes it a like is a specialised property
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[grantcodes] But it being older than the discovery algorithm makes sense
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KartikPrabhu yes. I am sure there is no conflict with including h-feed, h-event etc... into the discovery algorithm
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KartikPrabhu iirc tantek wrote the post-type discovery so he might know more about the rationale
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[grantcodes] Yeah I was thinking about it because I have a function that does ptd based off of the algorithm on the wiki, but I hadn't posted anything apart from h-entry until the other day, so when I posted an event, it got picked up as a photo!
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KartikPrabhu aah. if you figure out an algorithm you can try getting it added to PTD. I think one can use both the h-event and some special properties
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[grantcodes] Well I just went for if not h-entry then post type = h-type (removing the h-) as the first rule
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sknebel the one at http://ptd.spec.indieweb.org/ includes event already - wiki appears not to be in sync
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KartikPrabhu aah possibly
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KartikPrabhu hopefully the spec is linked to
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[grantcodes] Oh that's basically what I did, but with any h-type
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[tantek] grantcodes short answer is that likes, etc. are all just special kinds of posts, thus it makes sense to re-use h-entry for them, they all have in common that they're things written / actions taken at a particular point in time by an author, and those are the aspects that define them.
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[tantek] a recipe or review could arguably be done as an h-entry
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[tantek] a resume not really, it has *very* different important structure, and resumes don't usually have date of publication for example
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[tantek] similarly with a contact card, no date of publication typically
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[tantek] an event also is more about the date time of the event itself, than when it was published
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[grantcodes] I can kind of see that, but no published time seems like a kind of weak argument, I doubt that would be accepted as a reason for a new h-type.
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aaronpk I don't think he said it would
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[grantcodes] My personal conclusion from the explanations here would be that some h-types only exist because they are older than ptd. And others because they require a generally significantly different set of properties. (although the line of what makes a significant set of properties is not really defined)
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aaronpk I don't think age has anything to do with it
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aaronpk For example if we wanted to represent a new concept like upvotes and downvotes I think we'd use h-entry still
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[tantek] right
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[tantek] and if we wanted to represent a new type of information like a measurement, we'd like still develop h-measure (from previous hmeasure efforts)
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[grantcodes] Why though? As an example an upvote seems equivalent to a like to me? Just depends on the site it is being posted to?
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[tantek] grantcodes, that's aaronpk's point, upvotes and downvotes would re-use h-entry
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[grantcodes] Oh yeah I misread that
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aaronpk Whether or not upvote == like is a different issue :-)
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[grantcodes] For sure.
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KartikPrabhu I think [grantcodes] is asking for some rationale/criterion for when something is reusing h-entry using PTD to decipher post-type vs when a new h-* is used/developed
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KartikPrabhu maybe there isn't an over-arching rationale/principle
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[grantcodes] Was originally just me pondering about ptd vs h-types since it I couldn't quickly find reasoning for one vs the other 😛
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KartikPrabhu right
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[grantcodes] On a different note - on the microformats.org site the "wiki" button doesn't take you to the wiki home if you are already viewing a wiki page
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[tantek] it's not a button, it's indicating where in the site you are
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aaronpk It's gotta be written on the wiki somewhere, and if it isn't, we should definitely write that
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[tantek] in general there's the microformat process for when to create a new microformat (and the work necessary to do so)
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[tantek] http://microformats.org/wiki/process
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[tantek] if that needs edits / updates, then we can capture issues, or add FAQs
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[grantcodes] But the blog button takes you to the blog archive, I think that should probably just be link, it can be be a link and an indication at the same time
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[tantek] no they are consistent
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[tantek] they each take you to an area of the site
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[tantek] and wherever you are within that area, they indicate that you are in that area
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[tantek] blog wiki discuss
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[tantek] they're consistent
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[tantek] the rest of them could be improved since we moved some site content to the wiki
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[grantcodes] How is wiki button to go to the home of the wiki when you are on wiki page different from the blog button going to a blog archive when you are viewing a blog post? Definitely not consistent
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[tantek] hmm from the wiki, the blog button goes to the home page of the blog, otherwise goes to blog archives, that's inconsistent
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[tantek] and discuss goes to the IRC page from the discuss page
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[grantcodes] I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people would expect what I expected, and nothing happened, so just feels pretty broken
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[tantek] yeah, worth adding to http://microformats.org/wiki/to-do#Website_Improvements
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[grantcodes] I tried to register but the captcha (I guess) is broken, so I can't 😂
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[grantcodes] Just busy finding all sorts of problems tonight
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tantek edited /admin-to-do (+88) "/* wiki */ Process wiki-feedback" (view diff)
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[tantek] the captcha problem was previously found http://microformats.org/wiki/admin-to-do#wiki_problems