#microformats 2019-05-31

2019-05-31 UTC
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[kevinmarks786] We have vote links for upvote and down vote, could remap those to u-vote-for?
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[jgmac1106] does anyone use h-adr or h-geo gonna concentrate on documenting more popular stuff first on MDN wiki but shoudl I add those as when done?
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Zegnat I think I use h-adr?
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Zegnat can’t remember what he uses half the time
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jgmac1106 not gonna spend time adding them to MDN right away then..trying to do the Cliff Notes version
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aaronpk sknebel: your mf wiki mirror is pretty functional right? what was missing from it?
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aaronpk mind adding some notes here about what else would be needed before we could use a current MW version to run the wiki? http://microformats.org/wiki/admin-to-do#wiki
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sknebel only really review of plugins we need / editing of pages that use plugins that aren't needed
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sknebel I didn't do anything to data or setup
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sknebel just installed a mediawiki and dumped the data in
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aaronpk yeah and that worked surprisingly well. We're going to have to do basically that for the real upgrade, but your mirror is a good test of whether the current content might be tied to plugins or version specific stuff
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sknebel yes
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sknebel although at this point I'd say a editable wiki with default skin and some breakage from plugins is better than what we have...
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aaronpk yeah probably true, then we can just incrementally fix things too
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aaronpk unfortunately this also involves upgrading the wordpress blog at the same time
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sknebel second server?
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aaronpk i guess we could proxy the /blog or /wiki path to the other server
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sknebel yep
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GWG Did someone say Wordpress
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GWG Why is it bad to upgrade it?
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aaronpk i didnt say it was bad to upgrade it
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GWG aaronpk, tell me if I can help with that
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aaronpk if you would like to try out the upgrade process in a dev environment and report back on what breaks that would be helpful http://microformats.org/wiki/admin-to-do#blog
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[jgmac1106] If I didn't have more Mozilla artifacts that 404 than Mozilla itself I'd say forget it and just make a microformats section of mdn
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[jgmac1106] ... Kidding of course would put us under their governorship but it was a nice experience
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GWG aaronpk, I'd need the files
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GWG What version of WordPress is it?
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GWG I once I upgraded from 2 to 4.5
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aaronpk yes i can get youo the files and the DB export
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GWG If you could, I could install them on a subdomain
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GWG I would also need an account beforehand
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GWG I don't think I have one
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aaronpk we can't use the current server for this testing
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GWG A subdomain on my server
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aaronpk ok great
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GWG So people could see it
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GWG Maybe then we could write more than one post a year?
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GWG There's plenty of microformats news ..
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GWG Like when a new draft property is adopted
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gRegorLove It's been a little while, but I reviewed the plugin versions on the wiki and what would/wouldn't need to be carried over to a modern MW: http://microformats.org/wiki/mediawiki_customization#Upgrade_MediaWiki
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aaronpk oh thanks, can youo add that link to the admin-to-do page?
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gRegorLove yep
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sknebel oh cool - so only override entry title really needed? and even that seems more like a nice to have
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sknebel e.g. notitle + putting a headline in would also do it?
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gRegorLove I think so
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aaronpk that's what we do on indieweb.org
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aaronpk doesn't help with changing the name of the page that shows up in category lists or search, but it's not a huge deal IMIO
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aaronpk IMO
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gregorlove edited /admin-to-do (+179) "/* wiki */ link to notes on /mediawiki_customization" (view diff)
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gRegorLove And ConfirmEdit plugin for ReCaptcha
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gRegorLove One thing I look forward to with Vector is sub-headings that are easier to differentiate from the text, haha. I get lost on that admin todo page sometimes.
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aaronpk for real
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[tantek] It's pretty important we keep the history
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[tantek] of wiki pages in particular, and users that edited them etc. would be great to figure out which pages remain that were edited before 2007-12 by someone who has not explicitly added the public domain / CC0 decree to their user page
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aaronpk did I miss something?
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Loqi misses something too
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[tantek] yes, only a subset of the mf wiki is cc0
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[tantek] because we didn't start with requiring cc0/pd contributions. just like that CLA discussion in that other channel
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aaronpk ...
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aaronpk what conversation is this part of?
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[tantek] switching to a new wiki
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aaronpk still confused
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aaronpk the mediawiki upgrade process upgrades the content including revision history in place
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aaronpk nobody said anything about losing revision history or switching to a new wiki
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[tantek] ok
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[tantek] just making sure. thanks
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[tantek] there's a long slow painful task that I'm hoping is semi automatable to "clear" mf wiki pages of non cc0/pd content
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[tantek] so that we can eventually label the entire thing as cc0 like we do for indieweb.og
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[tantek] org
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gRegorLove Moving from #indieweb-dev: https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2019-05-31#t1559340482362000
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Loqi [[tantek]] GWG, sknebel, aaronpk, part of the point of the explicit change control in parsing spec, and at least h-entry (more as we get consensus) is to enable adding/promoting/removing properties asynchronously, in such a way that you can cite evidence for ea...
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gRegorLove and https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2019-05-31#t1559341995370600
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Loqi [GWG] [tantek]: But that isn't working in practice
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gRegorLove GWG: what's not working in practice?
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GWG We aren't crossing things off the lists
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aaronpk we're not like a company where people work full time and can schedule quarterly meetings, so in practice, things only happen when someone takes the initiative
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aaronpk that just so happens to often be at a time when a bunch of us are together in person, since it's easy to have microformats be top of mind in those settings
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aaronpk if you want things to happen in between in-person events, then someone needs to take the initiative of leading that asynchronous discussion and coming to a resolution
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GWG aaronpk, point taken
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GWG I just remember us having some good discussions at IWS about that
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gRegorLove There are some we can probably advance to draft, like u-bookmark-of. I'll review https://github.com/microformats/h-entry/issues
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GWG I will look too when I can
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[tantek] GWG, most of those in-person discussions at IWS re: microformats and resolving issues pre-date the current Change Control processes and thus were more necessary at the time
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[tantek] what's the best way to indicate the "state" of an issue?
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[tantek] I was going to use labels, but that seems hacky (others do it though)
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[tantek] e.g. what's needed
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aaronpk what are the options for the state of issues?
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aaronpk issues or using kanban board tracks in the github projects are two ways i've seen it done
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gRegorLove Reviewed the markup on u-photo examples, which appears to be the only "need to" for https://github.com/microformats/h-entry/issues/4
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Loqi [tantek] #4 u-photo draft->core bc way more than 3+ pub and consuming impls/sites
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gRegorLove I think some of the main criteria to track are: verified the use-case, verified the publishers, verified the consumers
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aaronpk oh also checkboxes in the issue description
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aaronpk if there are multiple things to do for an issue
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[tantek] the change control describes the steps and entry / exit conditions
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[tantek] in terms of "state of issues"
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GWG I will have to internalize that
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