#microformats 2020-10-08

2020-10-08 UTC
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btrem I created a pull-request in the SuperTinyIcons repo for my .svg version of the mf logo. I'll post here if my contribution is merged.
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[tantek] btrem++ wow that looks great!
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Loqi btrem has 1 karma over the last year
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Zegnat btrew could we convince you to license the microformats SVG to the public domain and upload it to the mf wiki?
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Zegnat [tantek] do you know if the original resources are still available? The EPS link goes to Dan’s site but is no longer hosted there. If it is available, do you know what licence applies?
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[tantek] Might have to dig for that. Maybe check the Internet Archive of Dan's site to see if you can repair the link that way?
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Zegnat Planning to do that in a bit. I was chatting from the office before and otherwise occupied :)
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Zegnat Guess I might have to contact Dan to see if he would be open to slapping a public licence on it, if that was not previously discussed. (Also not sure how you best license a logo, that feels more like trademark rules coming into play than anything else.)
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btrem The microformats logo is now part of the SuperTinyIcons repot:
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btrem https://github.com/edent/SuperTinyIcons/blob/master/images/svg/microformats.svg
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Zegnat btrem: would you be willing to license your SVG to the public domain? It is what most of the wiki uses (https://microformats.org/wiki/Microformats_Wiki:Copyrights) and even some of the parsers.
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btrem Regarding the logo in SuperTinyIcons: SuperTinyIcons is not my repo, so it's not really in my control. It's under the MIT license, which is pretty permissive, if that helps.
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Zegnat Not asking about the repo, asking for your specific SVG file :) You created that, so you can put any licence you want on it
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btrem Really? I thought once it was in a repo, that was that.
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btrem I know so little about these matters.
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btrem I have my own (slightly different) copy in my own repo, which I put under the GPL license. I'll admit that I just sort of picked one.
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[fluffy] The license is set by the creator, which is you. 🙂
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[fluffy] Copyright and licensing is a really confusing topic though.
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Zegnat But given you have not signed away your own rights to anyone (which does not happen by opening pull-requests), you own all the rights. You can even give different people (or different repos) different licences.
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Zegnat In general lots of microformats work is done under public domain (or creative commons' version of it), and I would just think it fun if we logo was also available under that licence.
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zegnat edited /spread-microformats (+356) "/* logo mark */ Add Brian Tremblay's SVG work" (view diff)
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btrem Question: how can anyone put a license on someone else's logo? Surely I can't license the actual markup. That's absurd!
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Zegnat That is the iffy bit. You own the rights to the specific rendering of the logo, because you made that. But then I think trademark rights come in and say that you do not have the right to *use* your rendering for whatever you want without permission :P
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Zegnat Lets just agree not to get into that one, hahaha
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Loqi hehe
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btrem Ha ha. To avoid stepping on edent's toes (owner of SuperTInyIcons), I'll make my copy creative commons. I'll put in in /my/ GitHub repo. Does that work?
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Zegnat Hmm, you might just be able to upload it to the microformats wiki if you are OK with that. The wiki has outlived many other sites
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Zegnat looks for the upload
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Zegnat Huh. Did we disable uploads, aaronpk?
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btrem I can upload it there, absolutely. I can also put in in my GitHub repot. I'll get to it today at some point, and let you know here.
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btrem And tell me how to upload it to the wiki, and I'll do that, too. (:
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Zegnat Whatever you want :) This licensing stuff is something some are more passionate about than others
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Zegnat adds licence info to the links to an older SVG rendering linked on the wiki
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat !tell aaronpk can we make Loqi link to https microformats.org, now that we have a cert? I clicked on a link and was surprised that I was not logged in.
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btrem As I said, I find it all not a little absurd. I suppose if I wrote a full fledged app of some sort, maybe I'd want a license. But svg markup? That's less than 1kb? Of someone else's logo?
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Zegnat Yeah. The thing is just that if you do not license it, me using your SVG on my site would break your alone right to do publications of your work. Even if you are unlikely to pursue
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btrem That's what I learned when I first joined GitHub. And why I (somewhat randomly) chose GPL for my svg icons (I didn't know about SuperTinyIcons at the time).
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btrem I chose GPL because it's open source, and I sort of like that, to the extent that I know anything about these issues.
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btrem Certainly I prefer open source to closed source.
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Zegnat GPL technically means my app must also be GPL licensed if I want to use your icon. I think. Which is fine if that is the goal you want. If you are more "whatever, do what you want" a more permissive like MIT would be better. If you are "I do not care what you do with 1kb of svg", then a public domain declaration is saying you do not want to hold any claim at all
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btrem Yeah, I sort of got that from reading the docs. Again, not know much about them (and not caring), I suppose I should have chosen differently.
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btrem I see GPL on software that I use, and like. So I thought, that must me the way to go. Ha ha. But I did read an overview, and got what you said about GPL vs. MIT.
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btrem NB: SuperTinyIcons does use MIT. Which is a better choice for this purpose.
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btrem I'll let you know when I update my repo. If you want, you can email me dev@btrem.com about how to upload it to the mf wiki. That seems like the best way to provide a cc or pd logo.
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zegnat edited /spread-microformats (+293) "/* Logo */ Fix Dan Cederholm links, point typeface link to a non-white page, add more licensing information" (view diff)
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Zegnat Will do. It feels like a lot of the important copies of the logo on the wiki page is hosted off-base. And it would be nice to bring them onto the server where they are less likely to disappear :)
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Zegnat I have now added links to your SVGs to https://microformats.org/wiki/spread-microformats#Logo for anyone who goes looking for the logo
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btrem What the what? I have a login for the microformats wiki! I have no recollection of creating one. :)
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btrem That should make it easy for me to upload the logo. Where do I put it?
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Zegnat Upload seems to be disabled on the wiki :( Waiting for someone who may know if there was a reason for that to come online
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Zegnat The main logo PNG in that section seems to be hosted on indieweb.org ... maybe someone had upload issues before and decided to just upload to that wiki instead, haha
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btrem Ok, I'll wait to hear. Either by email, or I'll come back here. Thanks all.
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Zegnat Thank you too for the great contribution! Always fun to see the logo spread around :D
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zegnat edited /User:Zegnat (+35) "Add CC PD." (view diff)
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btrem Hello. Earlier, regarding the discussion from earlier today about putting out the microformats svg logo, would the mf community prefer public domain or cc-by?
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btrem Ouf, that was horribly worded. Started in one way, changed course, put out garble. Sorry. But sill, public domain or cc-by? (:
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