#social 2015-05-01

2015-05-01 UTC
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rhiaro elf-pavlik: sunday 1900
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rhiaro ^ in paris
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rhiaro but I think I should go straight to my CS host
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elf-pavlik rhiaro, i think so... we'll meet all together on Monday morning! :)
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elf-pavlik jaywink, i remember something about diaspora using hCard, do you know more details about it? https://github.com/w3c-social/social-vocab/issues/11
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jaywink elf-pavlik, yeah, https://github.com/Raven24/diaspora-federation#user-discovery has some details :)
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jaywink it is the future diaspora federation ruby gem that has been extracted out of diaspora itself - so we can easily "switch" federation protocols :)
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elf-pavlik jaywink++
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jaywink llh
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jaywink ooh
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jaywink :D
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elf-pavlik Tsyesika, https://github.com/w3c-social/activitypump/pull/5
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elf-pavlik !tell tantek I hope you and Evan can try to work together on getting your systems to interoperate :) https://github.com/w3c-social/social-web/issues/1
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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cwebber2 elf-pavlik: ++
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bblfish one should also look at the contact ontology http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/contact#
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bblfish timbl uses that
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elf-pavlik rhiaro, what do you think about my comment on Microformats 'not using tripples'? https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_syntax/Comparison#Entity_Attribute_Value
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elf-pavlik i may possibly miss something in my understanding
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elf-pavlik ben_thatmustbeme, aaronpk, kylewm ^
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elf-pavlik s/tripples/triples/
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melvster seen this? https://facebook.github.io/react/blog/2015/05/01/graphql-introduction.html
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melvster elf-pavlik: ^^
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elf-pavlik melvster thx! BTW bblfish uses React ...
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melvster elf-pavlik: are you staying with him?
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elf-pavlik yes
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elf-pavlik ATM I play with converting microformats JSON of this channel to microformats JSON-LD
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elf-pavlik http://glennjones.net/tools/microformats/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsocialwg.indiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2Fsocial%2F2015-04-28&filters=&callback=
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elf-pavlik "rels": {
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elf-pavlik "pingback": ["http://webmention.io/indiewebcamp/xmlrpc"],
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elf-pavlik "webmention": ["http://webmention.io/indiewebcamp/webmention"],
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elf-pavlik "prev": ["http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-04-27", "http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-04-27"],
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elf-pavlik "next": ["http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-04-29", "http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-04-29"]
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elf-pavlik }
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melvster elf-pavlik: maybe before monday he can help you get a webid, then I can show you how to log in to some apps im making, if you are interested ...
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elf-pavlik this already looks closer to JSON-LD than AS links thing "links": [{"rel": "next"}]
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elf-pavlik sure, i can add turtle serialization to my deployment via https://github.com/zazukoians/rdf-ext/issues/6
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elf-pavlik I hope you can handle my HTTP 303 redirects :P
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melvster that would be great
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elf-pavlik but since LDP mandates JSON-LD WebID could also support it
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elf-pavlik specs from SocialWG can require JSON-LD but very unlikely will do anything with Turtle
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elf-pavlik still, for monday I'll support "Accept: text/turtle"
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melvster sounds good
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elf-pavlik melvster, will you demo any of the User Stories? https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Sorting_user_stories
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melvster if people want me to, sure
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aaronpk the demos should be focused around user stories
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elf-pavlik melvster, just so you expect it :) ^
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aaronpk that was the whole point of making the user stories, so we have a point of focus for our discussions
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melvster im only an observer so i may not demo anything at all, but ill be able to interact with the group and help if people see relevance, if there's a particular user story people would want solved, I could probably code it up while im there
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elf-pavlik melvster, i recommend starting from top of https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Sorting_user_stories
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elf-pavlik i guess i don't need to explain reasoning for that...
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melvster thks
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, on http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2 search for "rels" gives me nothing, i wonder about this key in microformats JSON serialization at the end of http://glennjones.net/tools/microformats/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsocialwg.indiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2Fsocial%2F2015-04-28&filters=&callback=
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elf-pavlik http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-05-01/line/1430512629204
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aaronpk elf-pavlik: it's described on the parsing spec page http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-parsing
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elf-pavlik BTW, in debate as:Link with as:rel or not, JSON-LD take similar approach as this "rels" object! while as:rel makes things more like JRD (webfinger profile)
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, in case that helps you relate to this discussion better ^
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elf-pavlik { "pingback": "http://ex.foo", "webmention": "http://ex.bar" } vs. [{ "rel": "pingback", "href": "http://ex.foo" }, {"rel": "webmention", "href": "http://ex.bar"}]]
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elf-pavlik http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-04-28/line/1430244202489
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elf-pavlik just as "rels" in microformat JSON stays compatibile with HTML
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elf-pavlik http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-04-28/line/1430244146625
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elf-pavlik !tell tantek last telecon you pretty much made an argument that Webfinger JRD stays compatibile with HTML while Microformats JSON "rels" NOT! http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-04-28/line/1430244146625
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell him that when I see him next
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rhiaro elf-pavlik: I agree with what you wrote about microformats matching a triple structure. Where does microformats claim not to be triples? I don't recall I've seen it mentioned anywhere either way. There's also a strong inclination in the community to make sure entities being described have URIs rather than nesting / blank nodes (sometimes URIs are implied to be the document the microformats are in, though sometimes it's explicit with a u-uid)
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elf-pavlik rhiaro, http://microformats.org/wiki/triples
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rhiaro so on that front microformats aren't doing anything particularly different to other vocabularies
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rhiaro oh
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rhiaro well, entity-attribute-value sure feels tripley to me :)
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aaronpk what is the entity in that case?
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elf-pavlik which case?
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rhiaro aaronpk: for a blog post, the h-entry would be the entity
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rhiaro which typically have their own URLs
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aaronpk oh okay
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aaronpk why is thinking of that as a triple useful?
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rhiaro in a feed they're in u-url or u-uid. If it's a h-entry page, it's implied by the URL of the page
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rhiaro it helps some people, doens't help others. The point is, there's no conflict
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elf-pavlik http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#h-card_org_h-card looks like interesting example
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elf-pavlik subject1: http://blog.lizardwrangler.com/
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elf-pavlik subject2: http://mozilla.org/
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elf-pavlik subject or entity
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elf-pavlik and both of them have paris of attribute: value or predicate: object
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rhiaro that looks straightfoward to me, if you assume u-urls to be identifiers for two different entities, that are linked by the p-org relation
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elf-pavlik talking about misunderstandings: http://logs.glob.uno/?c=freenode%23microformats&s=26+Jan+2015&e=26+Jan+2015
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elf-pavlik 10:01 tantek nah - RDF complicates the model unnecessarily with basing it on "triples" http://microformats.org/wiki/triples
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elf-pavlik 09:59 csarven re: "all microformats are simply an object with a set of properties with values." from http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#Background . That's pretty much EAV model. Which is used by RDF as well.
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rhiaro I remember that conversation
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aaronpk well, regardless of whether you want to think of mf2 markup as triples, plenty of people do not, and get away with publishing and consuming it just fine, so i'm not sure I see the advantge
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elf-pavlik nested h-card in http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#h-card_org_h-card uses triples while http://microformats.org/wiki/triples rants against them
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aaronpk elf-pavlik: see above
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rhiaro I think this is a totally unnecessary thing to argue about
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elf-pavlik pretty much same thing with http://microformats.org/wiki/h-feed
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elf-pavlik to my understanding each item sets new entity / subject
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elf-pavlik feed of our conversation here - full of triples http://glennjones.net/tools/microformats/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsocialwg.indiewebcamp.com%2Firc%2Fsocial%2Ftoday&filters=&callback=
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aaronpk elf-pavlik: you still didn't clarify why thinking of it as triples is useful
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rhiaro aaronpk: In my mind querying by graph pattern matching would be easier than plucking things out of nested json objects, but I don't know anything about parsing json really, so it probably just depends where your area of expertise is
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rhiaro I do think the /triples page on microformats wiki is misleading; microformats markup doesn't need to be thought of as triples, but *could* be if it helps to query it, but otherwise it doesn't make much difference either way. Insisting the models are totally incompatible is unfair.
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rhiaro my solution to the 'arguement' would be for everyone to tone down their strong opinions a bit, accept there are different ways of thinking about things that don't conflict, and leave it there ;)
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elf-pavlik rhiaro, while I agree to big extent, to actually discuss technical topics sometimes we may need to make some effort to understand each other, otherwise we'll keep landing in arguing about terminology without even getting near the meaning we try to express with words we use
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aaronpk i don't have strong opinions about it at all
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rhiaro aaronpk: I didn't mean you
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rhiaro Can we find a way to pitch how beautiful and harmonious it is that rdf and microformats actually fit together so well? :)
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rhiaro Can we also get a big button someone can push whenever two people start arguing about terminology that indicates "you are actually saying the same thing, stop arguing"
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elf-pavlik rhiaro++
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Loqi rhiaro has 64 karma
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rhiaro doesn't have much energy
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aaronpk i like that button
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rhiaro I think I'm pre-exhausted in preparation for the f2f
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elf-pavlik what do you work on?
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rhiaro ooh we could make a giant poster that is some json-ld beside some microformats json to show how similar they look!
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elf-pavlik i can convert IRC logs of this channel from microformat JSON to microformats JSON-LD tomorrow
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rhiaro elf-pavlik: I'm setting up my chromebook so it's useful so I don't have to bring my thinkpad, tidying my desk, sending CS requests for Florence, and trying not to think about all the phd work I haven't done
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rhiaro elf-pavlik: great!
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rhiaro elf-pavlik++
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elf-pavlik we still may need to deal with tensions after Shane vs. Manu incident :( http://manu.sporny.org/2013/json-ld-is-the-bees-knees/
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rhiaro is distracted laughing at that gif
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rhiaro so I think 'incident' is a bit strong, and also mention of 'different camps' in emails is unnecessarily divisive and probably doesn't help
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rhiaro if people start seriously arguing that microformats and rdf are fundamentally incompatible, I'm probably just going to leave
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aaronpk manu's snarky animated gif responses to shane's technical arguments makes me want to not have anything to do with the json-ld community :(
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rhiaro eh, I reckon judging a whole community on one blog post, or even one person, is a bit much
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aaronpk i agree, it's just certainly not helping
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rhiaro I really need to write my followup activities/objects blog post
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bblfish instead of thinking about formats why not just draw graphs of arrows. Then we can all agree and its visually more pleasing
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rhiaro bblfish: personally, I love graphs of arrows. But I think people who are already objecting to thinking about things as rdf might not see it that way
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aaronpk yeah i did not follow the arrows at all, no pun intended
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rhiaro I think we all need to make more effort to see things from the perspectives of people we think we disagree with
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rhiaro rather than repeating our own preferred models over and over
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bblfish yes, though its a bit difficult because you can always reduce every data structure to graphs of arrow
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elf-pavlik +1 and we *all* need to take some effort, especially expect more from oneself than from others
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rhiaro what would actually be fab is if a strong linked data advocate took a day to implement something with microformats, and a .. not linked data person... took some time to put together some data as a graph, and then both reported on their experiences
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rhiaro or maybe that wouldn't help at all, who knows
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elf-pavlik i think it would
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rhiaro another outcome would be "microformats isn't data-y enough, you can't do anything with this" and "rdf is complicated it's no use for anything" :p
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bblfish given that there is always a mapping from everything to a graph of arrows, there will of course be a mapping from microformats or microdata to that same graph. If that mapping can be automated, as it can with rdfa, turtle, json-ld , then reading those formats is not a problem
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elf-pavlik rhiaro, we also have a lot of similarities in API endpoints, but again talke about them in different terms
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bblfish But I am not really keen to enter the syntax wars - there are too many interesting things to do
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elf-pavlik https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Comparison#Endpoint
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rhiaro my persepctive, as a user of both, is microformats are super easy to get started with and the tools for parsing them are ace, so they're useful, but I still get confused about what to nest where and whether I've got enough semantics to be useful; thinking about things as a graph comes most naturally to me, so modelling and storing and querying my data as rdf is awesome, but setting up a triplestore is a pain in the arse for most people
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rhiaro elf-pavlik: yes, also that with API endpoints
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rhiaro indieweb approach is totally FYN :)
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bblfish yes, the tools for rdf are much better but they can be improved a lot. In Scala there are some really cool things that are possible by way of improving the working with RDF. I mention that Scala now also compiles to Scala-JS . ( I show some of the features in my december london talk at Scala eXchange )
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bblfish https://github.com/read-write-web/wiki/wiki
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bblfish But that is just the beginning.
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elf-pavlik bblfish, we need diversity with programing languages, if just one language has some cool tools we stay deep in a woods
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rhiaro also things that work on really basic servers, to enable people with little time or expertise to get social things up and running
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, where do i find more explanations about "value" as seein in JSON example of http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#h-event_location_h-card
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elf-pavlik KevinMarks, I guess you might also have link at hand :) ^
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rhiaro oh elf-pavlik I forgot to tell you, I published my notes on microformats as rdf: http://rhiaro.co.uk/2015/03/microformats2-rdf
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elf-pavlik rhiaro++
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aaronpk elf-pavlik: it should be on the parsing page, but not sure at the moment
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rhiaro I had a couple of questions about properties I didn't understand or weren't well described
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rhiaro I suppose I should drop it in #microformats :)
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aaronpk seems like a reasonable place to ask :)
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elf-pavlik rhiaro, I added link to your article in https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_syntax/Comparison#Microformats_.26_RDF
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rhiaro elf-pavlik: 'article' is a bit strong ;)
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elf-pavlik has title so not a note (or i didn't remember this entilment corectly? ;)
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rhiaro yeah that's right. But semantically article says to me more coherant....
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elf-pavlik p-education - if it can have h-card which can have url woldn't it make it u-education?
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aaronpk the p- and u- and other single-letter prefixes are for parsing rules, and don't affect the vocabulary
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elf-pavlik so p-properties can all have nested entity with url?
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aaronpk the parsing syntax allows that
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aaronpk the vocab may not
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bblfish elf-pavlik: there is diversity in programming languages.
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rhiaro vocab seems pretty unrestrictive. I've been going with 'most things are fine' when marking up new things
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aaronpk e.g. "in-reply-to" may be a URL if the HTML class was "u-in-reply-to", but may be an h-cite object if the class is "p-in-reply-to h-cite"
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rhiaro (which may be reflective of my attitude more than the documentation, but.. *shrug*)
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rhiaro oh right yeah u and p prefixes get dropped after parsing right?
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aaronpk that's kind of the great part of mf2, is that the parser doesn't have to change but we can keep iterating on vocabularies separately
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aaronpk yes, the prefix doesn't appear in the parsed result
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elf-pavlik does some properties have p- and u- variants?
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aaronpk sure, the in-reply-to example above
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rhiaro If we get into heavy debates at the f2f can we have a couple of hours when everyone may only speak in haiku, to lighten the mood? :)
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, does only p-* and e-* allow nested microformats as values? (sorry for bit random question, just trying to catch up a bit on how it works)
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elf-pavlik rhiaro, let's take a closer look together next week on h-listing and h-product ?
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aaronpk elf-pavlik: excuse me for the seemingly impersonal reply, but this is a good writeup of how it works http://microformats.org/2014/03/05/getting-started-with-microformats2
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aaronpk jump to "Prefied Classnames"
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aaronpk "Prefixed Classnames"
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elf-pavlik thanks!
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aaronpk the prefix tells the parser where to find the value
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rhiaro elf-pavlik: yeah, I expect to use them for requests/offers of items
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elf-pavlik "The reason comments are h-cites instead of h-entrys is that h-entry implies syndication — it’s something you’ve posted, or have re-posted, whereas a comment is a reference to a post on another site."
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rhiaro oh, I totally didn't know replies were supposed to be h-cites
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elf-pavlik rhiaro, does entity with certain url has 'type' h-entry or h-cite depending on where it appears?
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rhiaro h-entry or h-cite should be explicit in the markup
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rhiaro as far as I know
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rhiaro probably better off asking these questions in #microformats, I don't really know
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rhiaro I *have* read most of the wiki, but it hasn't all fused with my brain yet
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elf-pavlik http://microformats.org/wiki/h-cite
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aaronpk also #indiewebcamp is a good place to talk about the usage of microformats vocabularies on personal websites
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elf-pavlik http://glennjones.net/tools/microformats/?url=http://tantek.com/2013/104/t2/urls-readable-speakable-listenable-retypable
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, looking at above http://tantek.com/2013/104/t2/urls-readable-speakable-listenable-retypable 'has type' h-entry
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elf-pavlik does http://microformats.org/wiki/h-cite#Examples_in_the_wild say
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elf-pavlik http://tantek.com/2013/104/t2/urls-readable-speakable-listenable-retypable 'has type' h-cite ?
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aaronpk i don't understand the question
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aaronpk oh, the example on the wiki is citing tantek's post
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elf-pavlik http://glennjones.net/tools/microformats/?url=http://christopheducamp.com/blog/test-indieweb-parvenir-a-posser-un-article-vers-twitter/
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elf-pavlik "type": ["h-cite"],
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elf-pavlik "properties": {
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elf-pavlik "url": ["http://tantek.com/2013/104/t2/urls-readable-speakable-listenable-retypable"],
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elf-pavlik while on tantek site it parses to
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elf-pavlik "type": ["h-entry", "h-as-note"],
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elf-pavlik to me it looks like http://tantek.com/2013/104/t2/urls-readable-speakable-listenable-retypable has different type depending on context it appears in
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elf-pavlik rhiaro, quads? :D
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rhiaro elf-pavlik eeeeeeeeeep let's not. :p
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rhiaro one step at a time :)
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aaronpk h-cite is one of the lesser explored vocabularies right now, so don't read too much into it right now
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rhiaro but also, indieweb doesn't belive in explicit types ;)
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aaronpk start with the more popular ones like h-entry and the more useful in-reply-to like-of repost-of etc
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elf-pavlik <http://christopheducamp.com/blog/test-indieweb-parvenir-a-posser-un-article-vers-twitter/> <http://tantek.com/2013/104/t2/urls-readable-speakable-listenable-retypable> a mf2:h-cite .
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elf-pavlik <http://tantek.com/2013/104/t2/urls-readable-speakable-listenable-retypable> <http://tantek.com/2013/104/t2/urls-readable-speakable-listenable-retypable> a mf2:h-entry .
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elf-pavlik rhiaro, ;P
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rhiaro elf-pavlik: that's actually really interesting
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rhiaro but I'm gonna have to try really hard not to think about it until I've dealth with a number of other things
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rhiaro (*really* interesting)
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, http://socialwg.indiewebcamp.com/irc/social/2015-05-01/line/1430518413865
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elf-pavlik if i make request to u-in-reply-to i will get microformat with type h-entry not h-cite as when i nest it?
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aaronpk okay here is a relatively sane example of in-reply-to as an h-cite
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aaronpk http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Faaronparecki.com%2Freplies%2F2015%2F04%2F27%2F4%2F
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aaronpk also the comments are h-cites
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elf-pavlik http://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https://kylewm.com/2015/04/browsing-through-my-indieweb-https-kylewm-com-likes
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elf-pavlik there it has h-entry
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aaronpk yes his post on his site is an h-entry because it's on his site
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elf-pavlik when I think in triples and quads it makes perfect sense to me...
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aaronpk but when I show his post I give it h-cite because it's not my post
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elf-pavlik going from triple into quad brings context into the game: 'my site' vs 'his site'
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elf-pavlik yes, i would say that it has different meaning in different context
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, if you happen to reply in one post on your site to another post on your own site, you would also use h-cite in the reply?
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aaronpk yeah
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elf-pavlik last question for today, can you think of common cases where people give multiple types to entities?
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melvster aaronpk: having read through the use cases I think I can implement almost all using SoLiD
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aaronpk melvster: that's good, i don't doubt that. just make sure when you demo that you mention which user story you are demoing
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elf-pavlik melvster, all 90 or all from some of the top sections?
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melvster aaronpk: I will try, but im not a member of this group, I dont have access to the mail list discussions, or input on wiki I think, if I demo anything at all, it will be driven by what people ask me to do
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melvster elf-pavlik: is there 90? I thought I could have a go at all but 1
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melvster so 89/90
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aaronpk i think the mailing list archives are public anyway https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-socialweb/
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melvster aaronpk: I applied for access about a month ago, the application has yet to be processed, so ill just be an observer, any demonstrations would need to be driven by WG members
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melvster but given tantek's comments on the mailing list, it may be more productive to work over IRC
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elf-pavlik melvster, if you have demo of on of the top user stories from https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Sorting_user_stories using SoLiD almost certainly you can prestent it
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elf-pavlik please just don't give us "i could implement 89/90, but will do none since i have only invited observer status during this meeting" :D
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melvster elf-pavlik: let's talk about it on monday, in that case i dont plan to demo anything at all, ill just observe
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melvster my opinion is that SoLiD is capable of handling the use cases
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melvster most of them anyway
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melvster i could go into details how
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melvster if there's an overlap between my apps and the group's perhaps I could give a demo, but only if requested by a WG member
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melvster i could probably code up 1 use case over the course of a day too, so id have to see what was wanted
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elf-pavlik yes please demo some of the top user stories using solid :)
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rhiaro melvster: we've reached a point with the group where claims about what apis can aren't really entertained without demos of user stories. it would be awesome to see a demo of SoLiD performing a user story
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rhiaro s/apis can/apis can do
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rhiaro so far we haven't really had that, despite lots of people saying it's possible
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melvster ill just be an observer then
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melvster maybe during lunch or some minutes free i can show interested people what ive been working on
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melvster i can be coding during the sessions
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melvster if a wg member sees an overlap and requests more then I should be able to do that
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melvster it sounds like the main sessions will be about APIs
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melvster which is not that relevant to my work, as im using SoLiD for everything
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melvster if there's a particular use case you'd like demo'd perhaps I can do that on the day, tho
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melvster at the last meetup we coded up federated 'likes' during the session iirc
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melvster so i could possibly tackle 1-2 and explain how to use SoLiD to do that, if there's interest ... we'll see
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melvster obviously i wont be able to code up 90 use cases in a day
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melvster mainly looking forward to hanging out and seeing what you guys are up to
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rhiaro melvster: heads up - definitely will be interest!
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melvster great!
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rhiaro elf-pavlik: do you think it would be useful for for us to add a side note on the agenda on wiki about which user stories melvster could demo with solid?
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elf-pavlik of course, as soon as he knows what he can demo
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rhiaro so melvster, could you let us know which user stories look most likely for you to be able to demo?
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melvster let's discuss on monday
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Loqi I added a countdown for 5/4 12:00am (#5678)
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melvster right now im setting up my new laptop and packing / getting ready
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rhiaro okay
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elf-pavlik cool!
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melvster i got quite lucky
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melvster the laptop is also a tablet
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melvster which i didnt really know when i bought it
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melvster and all the apps work great on tablet too
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melvster in fact even better
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melvster touch is a big plus
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melvster when using material / responsive design
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melvster so been testing that side
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melvster my work is probably most closely related to payments group, but I hope there's some overlap with social
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elf-pavlik melvster, can you demo https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories#User_profile_management with https://github.com/linkeddata/profile-editor ?
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melvster sure, but andrei will be there and wrote it, i guess i could do an integration
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melvster that's a good idea
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melvster in our eco system when one person writes a tool, all other systems can use it, it's an unusual paradigm in that sense, more like a web of apps, rather than, client API and server API
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elf-pavlik melvster, have you looked at http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub ?
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melvster yes
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elf-pavlik and activitypump also linked from https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-05-04#Evaluation_of_API_Candidates ?
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elf-pavlik you can try some of the micropub based apps http://indiewebcamp.com/micropub#Clients
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elf-pavlik i can authenticate using indiecert.net or indieauth.com for those which don't support distributed indieauth
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elf-pavlik you just need rel="me" on your homepage, please keep in mind http://indiewebcamp.com/indieauth#RDFa
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melvster demos are not till the evening on the last day
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melvster so plenty of time
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melvster elf-pavlik: i already support rel="me" but currently am testing with webid+tls, would be great if that could be supported too
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elf-pavlik for now you can use https://indiecert.net/
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melvster doesnt work
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elf-pavlik do you have https?
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melvster no
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melvster waiting for letsEncrypt
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elf-pavlik http://www.startssl.com/ for now?
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melvster but not sure i want to change my URI
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melvster cool URIs dont change
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melvster for sure not
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melvster startssl
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melvster doesnt even work in firefox iirc
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elf-pavlik http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/web-https
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aaronpk it totally works in firefox, most of my certs are from there
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melvster chrome then
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melvster one of the browsers it didnt work in
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aaronpk also works fine in chrome and safari
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aaronpk and ios
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melvster without importing the ca?
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aaronpk right
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elf-pavlik melvster, if you don't make tiny effort of giving indieauth / indiecert a try, why someone would bother giving WebID-TLS a try?
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elf-pavlik you can always use indieauth with Twitter, Facebook and Persona since you can use all of them already
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melvster elf-pavlik: that's quite condescending given that I spent quite a bit of time working with indiecert giving feedback that was incorporated into the protocol, I make a lot of effort to help people, and am spending almost $1000 out of my own pocket to attend this meetup, my effort is generally not acknowledged or appreciated, that doesnt encourage me to do more
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elf-pavlik melvster, you can also use https://www.cacert.org/ just to get indiecert.net working
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elf-pavlik "my effort is generally not acknowledged or appreciated" what do you base it on?
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melvster elf-pavlik: you said, "you don't make tiny effort of giving indieauth / indiecert a try"