#social 2015-05-03

2015-05-03 UTC
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elf-pavlik bonjour
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aaronpk good morning from Amsterdam! I'm on my way to Paris!
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elf-pavlik bonjour aaronpk :)
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elf-pavlik i just started adding issues for Micropub spec
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aaronpk so i see
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, http://www.specref.org/?q=web%20linking
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elf-pavlik http://www.specref.org/?q=html5
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elf-pavlik http://www.specref.org/?q=oauth
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aaronpk huh yeah that definitely didn't return any results for whatever it was I was looking for
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elf-pavlik https://github.com/tobie/specref/issues
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aaronpk would it be useful if I did a few more user stories like this? https://github.com/aaronpk/Micropub/blob/master/user-stories/user-posts-a-note.md
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elf-pavlik aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 788 karma
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elf-pavlik bblfish_, ^
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, can you do updating contact information with patch?
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elf-pavlik https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories#User_profile_management
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elf-pavlik this way we can compare it directly with bblfish_ SoLiD take on it https://github.com/read-write-web/SoLiD/blob/master/UserStories/UserProfileManagement.md
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aaronpk it's interesting because so far nobody has needed or expressed interest in updating their profile via an app
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elf-pavlik how do you do that?
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aaronpk they publish their profile on their home page or another page on their site using their own authoring tools
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bblfish_ well it's the first user story in the list
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elf-pavlik twitter, facebook, linked in, all? give you UI to edit your profile
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aaronpk afaik none of those allow apps to update your profile tho
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aaronpk in other words, they don't have an API for it
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elf-pavlik https://developers.facebook.com/docs/graph-api/reference/user#Updating
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aaronpk ugh js docs. back button doesn't even work
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elf-pavlik https://dev.twitter.com/rest/reference/post/account/update_profile
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aaronpk I stand corrected
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elf-pavlik https://github.com/linkeddata/profile-editor
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aaronpk although I can be reasonably sure none of them let you *create* a profile using the API
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elf-pavlik https://github.com/hackers4peace/plp-editor doployed by contributor / very early adopter http://directory.open-steps.org/
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elf-pavlik sorry for JS only :S
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, we had discussion with Evan about it on mailing list and agreed to keep creating new profile as edge case
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elf-pavlik but updating makes a lot of sense to me
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elf-pavlik and can let us compare examples from SoLiD and Micropub side by side
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elf-pavlik if Micropub can't support it - also worth noting
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aaronpk i don't know if "can't" is the right word, but certainly no implementations currently support it
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bblfish_ Funny, that is the first thing we start to do.
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elf-pavlik can we do nested version of this one? http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#h-card_org_h-card
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elf-pavlik ;)
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aaronpk "we"?
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aaronpk also i'm curious when the last time you used a facebook or twitter application to update your profile
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elf-pavlik people interested in using Micropub to update profile information similar to one linked above
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aaronpk i'm just pointing out the data point that currently out of all the micropub implementations, nobody has expressed any desire to use a micropub app to update their profile information. not saying it will never happen, but is certinaly not a priority apparently.
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aaronpk i'm going to continue other user stories that are more obviously "social"
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elf-pavlik ok
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bblfish aaronpk: Our goal is not to mimick Facebook or Twitter
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bblfish our goal is to build a distributed social web
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aaronpk next up is "user posts a file"
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elf-pavlik aaronpk++
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aaronpk elf-pavlik: https://github.com/aaronpk/Micropub/blob/master/user-stories/user-posts-a-file.md
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elf-pavlik Tsyesika, cwebber2` ^
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elf-pavlik i need to add it to https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/MediaObject
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, what if i just want to upload a photo to album but not post to my feed about it?
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aaronpk that sounds like a different user story
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elf-pavlik i just try to understand what *assumptions* micropub makes
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elf-pavlik do you mind me creating issue with request to add short section with all the assumptions made?
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aaronpk i'm not sure i can quickly enumerate all the assumptions made, but it's not a bad idea to collect them
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elf-pavlik i'll make issue than
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elf-pavlik aaronpk++ guidelines for contributing
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elf-pavlik https://github.com/aaronpk/Micropub/issues/6
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aaronpk many of these user stories are read-only, which means micropub doesn't apply to them
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aaronpk in order to make sense of these, we're going to have to think of our current model of a "reader" slightly differently
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aaronpk (unless just viewing in a browser is an acceptable solution)
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aaronpk this probably deserves some clarification. i'll attempt to add https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories#Reading_a_user.27s_recent_posts now
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, i remember you did likes and replies from reader?
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aaronpk yes, that is a more straightforward example
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aaronpk oh my god there are so many user stories
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elf-pavlik 90
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elf-pavlik i hope you use https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Sorting_user_stories
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elf-pavlik ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 68 karma
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aaronpk good idea
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elf-pavlik Tsyesika, cwebber2 how do you see ActivityPump handling binary blobs? https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?title=Socialwg%2F2015-05-04&diff=83978&oldid=83975
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories#Direct_Messaging ?
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aaronpk omg i just saw that
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aaronpk i must have been burnt out by voting at that point because i would have given it a -1
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elf-pavlik bblfish, melvster can you describe and demo ^
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aaronpk for first version
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elf-pavlik aaronpk, clue - https://twitter.com/elfpavlik/status/594122594632228866
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Loqi @elfpavlik :: @remotestorage_ do you still use https://github.com/w3ctag/capability-urls for /public scope? maybe worth referencing this @w3ctag draft...
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aaronpk well in any case, I've already sent private messages to one and multiple people, so I can document it anyway
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elf-pavlik awesome!
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aaronpk there's a lot going on here https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories#Responses
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aaronpk i'm going to document this Responses story next
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aaronpk this one covers a lot of ground, so it would be super useful as a comparison
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elf-pavlik makes sense!
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aaronpk this example is using Micropub, Microformats, PubSubHubbub, and Webmention
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aaronpk which, interestingly, were all developed independently over drastically different timeframes, but come together nicely to solve this user story
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elf-pavlik <aaronpk> going through this user story piece by piece is really helpful. I would love to see the others do the same
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elf-pavlik http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-05-03/line/1430650593949
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aaronpk the Responses story specifically
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elf-pavlik eprodrom++
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aaronpk it is delightfully intricate
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melvster anyone happen to know the best way to get from the airport to the venue?
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aaronpk alright anyone care to review this? https://github.com/aaronpk/Micropub/blob/master/user-stories/responses.md
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aaronpk elf-pavlik: ^
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bblfish I have updated the profile user story with a JSON-LD examples and a simpler version using PUT https://github.com/read-write-web/SoLiD/blob/master/UserStories/UserProfileManagement.md
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elf-pavlik bblfish++
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elf-pavlik jaywink, hi - how does this look to you from diaspora perspective ? https://github.com/aaronpk/Micropub/blob/master/user-stories/responses.md
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aaronpk alright, got another one documente
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aaronpk https://github.com/aaronpk/Micropub/blob/master/user-stories/SWAT0.md
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aaronpk SWAT0, the only actually approved user story so far
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aaronpk for anyone paying attention, here are 4 user stories described in the indieweb stack along with examples https://github.com/aaronpk/Micropub#user-stories
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aaronpk Microformats, Micropub, Webmention, and sometimes PubSubHubbub
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bblfish great will look at that.
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bblfish Need to write my talk for tomorrow's keynote first.
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elf-pavlik bblfish, https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/MediaObject
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aaronpk talk? keynote?
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aaronpk hopes he isn't on the line for a presentation in that style tomorrow
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bblfish no that's for an IEEE workshop @aaronpk https://cscwd2015.hds.utc.fr/
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aaronpk ah *whew* i was nervous
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melvster yay made it to paris
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bblfish great!
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bblfish welcome to the city of light :-)
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elf-pavlik melvster, welcome!
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elf-pavlik melvster, can you give me quick confirmation on interpretation i shared in https://github.com/linkeddata/SoLiD/issues/10#issuecomment-98522825
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elf-pavlik rhiaro, ATM discussing with bblfish if in LDP graph names denote a graph http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#section-dataset
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bblfish <> ldp:contains <c1> .
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bblfish if <c1> names an LDP-RS then it could be used as the name of a graph in a SPARQL query on the LDPC.
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