#social 2016-02-09

2016-02-09 UTC
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tantek good morning #social!
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wilkie morning
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cwebber2 mornin
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shevski morning!
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ben_thatmustbeme needs a different punctuation as well
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ben_thatmustbeme g'mornin
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shevski tantek: I've been talking to thoughtworks who have implemented the activity streams spec and happy to come in and provide feedback / input on their experiences (!)
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shevski would be great to add this to the agenda (not sure if it's too late for this week?)
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tantek shevski: usually such feedback is better in written form, have they written it up first?
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tantek or is this more of a "general impressions" kind of thing?
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shevski tantek I don't think so, but can ask them to do that and send stuff through, but thought it might be useful to give you guys the chance to ask questions.
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tantek re: too late for agenda, unlikely. you can add it to the end, or even bring it up live during "any other business?"
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shevski ok, will see if she's still around to join, otherwise will get a write up and discuss next week if need be
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tantek shevski great. totally depends on the nature of feedback. general tone/questions - good for interactive telcon. more thorough feedback, perhaps a blog post? and very specific bugs, github issues
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tantek do you have any idea what kind of feedback they wish to give?
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wilkie o/
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ben_thatmustbeme Hi AnnB!
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AnnB hey! I'm back!
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aaronpk yay!
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, someone else joined the call
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AnnB that's how I feel ...
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AnnB haha Loqi
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ben_thatmustbeme welcome back!
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shevski tantek: My feeling is that it's quite general. I just thought it would be helpful to get input from a user. Esp if they might be able to help or do some technical work on tests.
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cwebber2 I can't connect (my end), so I'm text only
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aaronpk thanks trackbot
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trackbot Zakim, this will be SOCL
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trackbot Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
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trackbot Date: 09 February 2016
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ben_thatmustbeme i can minute
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ben_thatmustbeme scribenick: ben_thatmustbeme
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-02-09
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: lets get started
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ben_thatmustbeme ... we have two sets of minutes to approve
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-01-26-minutes
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AnnB present+
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ben_thatmustbeme ... the first set from Jan 26th, look a bit odd
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ben_thatmustbeme ... has anyone had a chance to review these minutes?
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ben_thatmustbeme ... (hearing nothing) well thats not a good sign
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-02-02-minutes
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ben_thatmustbeme ... the other set of minutes is from last week
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eprodrom present+ eprodrom
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-02-02-minutes
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ben_thatmustbeme ... which look a bit better
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sandro present+
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ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: I am the one who did the conversion on 1/26 mintues, so if you want to hold off on those I will fix them
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sandro cwebber2 are you on the call?
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ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: I basically took the IRC log and ran it through pandoc
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-02-02-minutes
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: we'll postpone that one until last week
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ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom there is a pretty simple method to do it, i'll grab the info for you after the meeting
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-02-02-minutes
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: votes for minutes from last week?
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eprodrom +1
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: I wasn't here last week but I don't see any resolutions
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wilkie eprodrom: you can use http://pandoc.amy.gy/ and update the url it generated to 01/26 to get something reasonable
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ben_thatmustbeme RESOLVED: accept minutes from last week
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ben_thatmustbeme TOPIC: Activity Streams 2.0
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tantek https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/issues
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eprodrom jasnell: ?
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ben_thatmustbeme ... first item is update on issues
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tantek Zakim, who is here?
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Zakim Present: aaronpk, wilkie, tantek, bengo, ben_thatmustbeme, akuckartz, Arnaud, dromasca, AnnB, tsyesika, eprodrom, sandro
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Zakim On IRC I see RRSAgent, akuckartz, dromasca, AnnB, bengo, dmitriz, eprodrom, tantek, prtksxna, shevski, jasnell, shepazu, bblfish, rhiaro, kevinmarks2, tessierashpool_, ElijahLynn,
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Zakim ... aaronpk, raucao, sandro
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ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: is james on the call?
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jasnell my regrets.. buried to my eyeballs. I will have an updated WD by the end of the week
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jasnell eprodrom: I will open a PR to add those test files to your suite
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ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: i don't have a lot of updates on issues, we have been holding off on any
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bengo jasnell: https://github.com/w3c-social/activitystreams-test-documents/pull/1
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ben_thatmustbeme ... I don't think there have been many new issues so I don't have any update there
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: is amy on the call?
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ben_thatmustbeme sandro: in a minute
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: the rest of the CR issues seem to be covered by specific things in the agenda
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ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: I'll discuss them then
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: next item then
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ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: 2 weeks ago we decided that for our test suite we would provide 2 test objects, a collection of AS documents that people can use to test their parsers
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ben_thatmustbeme ... that process started last week (github link in room)
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eprodrom https://github.com/w3c-social/activitystreams-test-documents
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ben_thatmustbeme ... started with examples from core and vocab docs. James has a collection of 50 other docs that he will be merging in
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ben_thatmustbeme ... this will be our test corpus
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eprodrom cwebber2: ?
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ben_thatmustbeme ... i wanted to ask other people who are doing implmentations if they have tried that corpus yet?
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cwebber2 eprodrom: what's the question for me?
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ben_thatmustbeme ... chris, it would be good to see if that works with the python implementation
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cwebber2 (sorry, my phone is busted, and I forgot to book a conference room)
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cwebber2 ah
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cwebber2 I'll try to investigate this weekend
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ben_thatmustbeme ... the second part of the test suite is producing valid documents so we decided to make an online validator
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cwebber2 report back next meeting?
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eprodrom https://github.com/w3c-social/activitystreams-validator
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ben_thatmustbeme ... there is another github project for this
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eprodrom https://as2.rocks/
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ben_thatmustbeme ... that is a website that will accept AS documents a number of different ways... a live working version at as2.rocks/
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ben_thatmustbeme nice url
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ben_thatmustbeme ... would like to get it to a point of having an endpoint to be allow for scripted testing of it
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ben_thatmustbeme ... both of these projects are moving along pretty nicely
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bengo Cool https://as2.rocks/validate?url=https%3A%2F%2Frawgit.com%2Fw3c-social%2Factivitystreams-test-documents%2Fmaster%2Fvocabulary-ex152-jsonld.json
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ben_thatmustbeme ... would be very helpful to start getting some contributions on these
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wilkie yeah, I've looked at the code a little bit. haven't managed to get a local server up with 'npm start' yet. it errors about 'const' heh
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wilkie I'll figure it out :)
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akuckartz eprodrom++
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Loqi eprodrom has 31 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme ... Its Okay validation, its a pretty straight forward system, it could be a lot better on parse errors. suggestions to correct, line numbers, etc
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ben_thatmustbeme ... any questions about whats going on?
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eprodrom wilkie: cool!
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: do all the test documents pass the validator?
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ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: I haven't tried that yet. I have only done some thus far
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: that might be a good milestone to denote
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ben_thatmustbeme ... do we have any error documents in the corpus?
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ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: I think we have a couple of "don't do it this way" documents, but not any error documents
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bengo https://github.com/w3c-social/activitystreams-test-documents/issues/2
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: it would be useful for thst to test non-conforming input
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tantek q?
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Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: anyone else with questions?
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ben_thatmustbeme ... no one?
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: one more question, are you interested in additional submisisons to the corpus like from other implementations?
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ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: DEFINITELY
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: lets say that we are putting out an official call for anyone with AS2 producers to submit additional documents to the corpus
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tantek q?
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Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: pull requests easiest way to do this
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: lets move on
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ben_thatmustbeme ... conformance section update
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tantek https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/issues/281
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ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: i started working on a draft for this and i still need to work with james but hopefully we will get it out in the WD that will go out this week
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: do you want WG review?
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ben_thatmustbeme ... before it publishes in WD, or after the fact?
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ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: probably better to do review of the whole doc after WD published
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ben_thatmustbeme TOPIC: tracker actions and issues
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: there is nothing pending review
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eprodrom wilkie: you need to be running the latest stable version of NodeJS
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-03-16
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ben_thatmustbeme ... reminder to everyone that we have a F2F coming up at MIT
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tantek zakim, who is here?
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Zakim Present: aaronpk, wilkie, tantek, bengo, ben_thatmustbeme, akuckartz, Arnaud, dromasca, AnnB, tsyesika, eprodrom, sandro
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Zakim ... aaronpk, raucao, sandro
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wilkie eprodrom: dang. ok. that was my suspicion. I quickly gave up and was just looking through the code. will update soon.
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-03-16#Participation
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cwebber2 oh
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wilkie eprodrom: thanks
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ben_thatmustbeme ... we have 10 people RSVP'd so far, If you are in that Zakim list, but not in participation on the wiki, please add RSVP as going, or possible, or regrets
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AnnB I'm attending .. but having probs logging into wiki, hence cannot edit
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ben_thatmustbeme also the in an IWC the two days before
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/MIT/Guest_List
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ben_thatmustbeme and that link
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eprodrom wilkie: you can also run it on Docker
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tantek https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-06-07
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ben_thatmustbeme ... there is a link up for the F2F after that
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aaronpk (sorry can't talk right now)
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AnnB yay for Portland! (note some bad dates .. likely paste error)
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ben_thatmustbeme ... much fewer RSVPS, the sooner we have counts, the sooner the host can reserve meeting rooms and such
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aaronpk oops sorry about messing up the dates
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ben_thatmustbeme ... thats a good time of year to be in portland
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AnnB no worries
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tantek https://indiewebcamp.com/2016/Guest_List
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wilkie eprodrom: yeah, maybe I'll try that
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ben_thatmustbeme there is an indiewebcamp summit before that F2F as well
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tantek q>
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tantek q?
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Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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ben_thatmustbeme .... any other business?
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cwebber2 I shoudl be able to make it
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cwebber2 rsvp's
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: shevski are you on the call?
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ben_thatmustbeme shevski: thoughtworks has some questions about things they weren't entirely clear about on as2
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ben_thatmustbeme ... i will get them to write that up
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ben_thatmustbeme ... and maybe we can have them on next week
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Loqi I added a countdown for 2/15 10:27am (#5796)
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tantek https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/issues
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: what would be really helpful for specific issues would be to use github tracker
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ben_thatmustbeme shevski: they also have a lot of time so they might be able to contribute as well
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: eprodrom did you want to address that
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ben_thatmustbeme eprodrom: yeah, any help with the test suite would be great
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bengo Have them say hi on the list and talk about their use case?
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek: i want to specifically emphasize that the sooner they bring up those issues on github, the better
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tantek q?
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Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
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ben_thatmustbeme ... i think we have reached the end of the agenda
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eprodrom Great!
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ben_thatmustbeme ... unless anyone has any other issues they want to bring up.....
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ben_thatmustbeme ... lets call it there then
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cwebber2 there's nothing to raise in activitypub land; we worked on issues a bit this week but nothing to report that's interesting enough :)
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ben_thatmustbeme ... talk to you next week
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AnnB thanks Tantek
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wilkie thanks all
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cwebber2 lata!
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AnnB yay Ben
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wilkie ben_thatmustbeme++
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme++ for minuting!
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme has 134 karma
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