#social 2019-05-23
2019-05-23 UTC
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dansup am I seeing things or did lain_soykaf join
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# lain_soykaf dansup: sup
# lain_soykaf trwnh: not really a tangent, the whole question/answer system is pretty muddy
# dansup lain_soykaf: working on Pixelfed DIrect! https://files.mastodon.social/media_attachments/files/014/875/941/original/6a63d32e1f3c2e9b.png
# cjslep[m] ForgeFed folks may be interested in my response to Drew's post from last year: https://cjslep.com/c/blog/the-future-is-federating-forges
# cjslep[m] And associated discussion: https://mastodon.technology/@cj/102141727024513435
# dansup Direct/Private Messages are more common than public posts realistically, Pixelfed is taking them seriously and I can't wait to release the Direct product!
# lain_soykaf we're also doing some work on that
# dansup lain_soykaf: nice! More people use instant messaging/text messaging than social media. I'm surprised that nobody has capitalized on that segment yet
# lain_soykaf i guess it's because people try to 'replace' twitter and facebook, when they should actually work on replacing snapchat
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jaywink[m] > <@irc_dansup:cybre.space> Direct/Private Messages are more common than public posts realistically, Pixelfed is taking them seriously and I can't wait to release the Direct product!
# jaywink[m] I think that depends :) For me it's completely the opposite. I write (or see, for that fact) maybe 1 private message for each 1000 public ones
# fr33domlover cjslep[m], thanks for the links, was interesting to read
# jaywink[m] Out of interested, checked my own database. 2,913,835 public posts, 11,353 limited visibility posts
# fr33domlover cjslep[m], I don't think there's much more to say there though; let's just get things implemented and let users vote with their actions
# dansup lain_soykaf: thats not what I'm saying, you know pleroma could support a FB Messenger/WhatsApp mobile app.
# lain_soykaf oh, i know
# dansup Pleroma Chat could become a Slack/Discord killer
# cjslep[m] fr33domlover agreed. Just needed to get the viewpoint out there in the public though.
# dansup you just need good frontend devs, someone like me ;)
# lain_soykaf now that's true :)
# dansup cjslep[m]: how is activitypub.dev coming along?
# fr33domlover cjslep[m], thank you for starting that discussion :) now we have something to link/refer to
# dansup fr33domlover: don't forget my offer ;)
# fr33domlover dansup, I remember :) tbh I want to learn CSS very much and I'm going to try designing a sane UI, but it's a low priority side project. When things are more stable including the API, I'll ask you about this offer :)
# fr33domlover dansup, I'd like very much to have something more innovative than just immitate githu8/gitlab/gitea/etc.
# fr33domlover I've been thinking about that
# dansup fr33domlover: sounds good! I can't wait to see it. I'm glad you have a vision for this, I can see it becoming a full fledged project and not just AP for gitlab or gitea
# dansup jaywink[m]: I'd like to transfer the socialhub.network domain to you this summer, remind me please
# jaywink[m] dansup (IRC): was there a decision on the hosting? need to go check
# dansup cjslep[m]: Have you thought about ActivityPubConf?
# dansup jaywink[m]: yeah, mxb will set you up with everything you need
# jaywink[m] well I guess we can sponsor just the domain if not
# jaywink[m] so sure :) but to feneas, not me
# dansup feneas is a better home for that forum :0
# jaywink[m] has too many domains already :D
# dansup :)*
# dansup jaywink[m]: heh, same. You should consider cloudflare registrar, domains at cost. It saved me $500/year already!
# cjslep[m] dansup I am working on the website now, in my free time. I have some graphics and writing to do though.
# fr33domlover dansup, jaywink[m], everyone: I'm having trouble finding motivated people to patch Gitea and GitLab to support federation; I haven't yet posted about it in every relevant place, I'm just observing that so far not a single person raised their hand, not their devs and not anyone else either
# cjslep[m] Gitea and Gogs have open issues for federation already on their repo pages
# fr33domlover And I'm not sure how to proceed there; Idk if I can do this alone, like, learn Go and Ruby from scratch and handle these codebases
# dansup cjslep[m]: copyrighting takes the most time, I can't wait to see it!
# fr33domlover cjslep[m], yes and zero work is being done on them
# dansup i mean copy
# fr33domlover exactly 1 person suggested to work on gitlab federation, and that was like ages ago and nothing really happened
# fr33domlover and gitea, no work at all
# dansup fr33domlover: you should focus on creating a federated alternative to github or gitlab
# cjslep[m] fr33domlover I think they're waiting for the vocabular to be finalized
# dansup waiting for GitLab to acknowledge ActivityPub is a waste of time IMO
# fr33domlover cjslep[m], to finalize vocab I need to base it on a real forge though :p I was hoping to use one of them, but, yeah, doesn't seem like they want to participate much
# cjslep[m] dansup yes and if you have any content advice or topics or frontend advice please DM me so I don't lose it. :)
# fr33domlover So I have my own forge made from scratch
# dansup fr33domlover: you got this, and your project will become huge if you see that vision through. I believe in you!
# cjslep[m] fr33domlover Gotcha. Alternatively you could fork one of them and experiment with it, then attempt to upstream it
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# fr33domlover dansup, 1 problem I have with making an alternative is that I worry I can't handle maintaining a high quality forge, Idk how much I'm going to be available in the mid and long term future, and gitea and gitlab have paid people and a community of software devs
# fr33domlover Like if they had federation, the future of it would be safe
# dansup cjslep[m]: I have a few off the top of my head: Example AP Objects from go-fed/mastodon/pixelfed, in-depth HTTP Signature explanation, and AP object validation
# fr33domlover dansup, thanks for the encouraging words :)
# dansup fr33domlover: build it and they will come. A year ago pixelfed didnt really exist.
# fr33domlover cjslep[m], good idea, but very easily my fork will diverge, and it will end up being much more pain than just working on my forge in Haskell where I feel comfortable and can do stuff easily... I wish some dedicated Go-knowledgable people helped :p
# fr33domlover I wrote in the gitea forum
# fr33domlover About my vision for implementing federation
# fr33domlover It seems to have more views than most topics above and below
# fr33domlover But not a single comment
# cjslep[m] dansup also yes, I have been thinking about ActivityPub conf. But I don't know next steps, whether you want to drive it, when you'd want to start seriously planning.
# jaywink[m] I think it's good that gitea, gitlab and so on are not working on federation until we have a common understanding on what it means. So either they shoudl directly contribute to forgefed development, work on a specification somewhere else or wait. Adding code at this point would just create inconsistency between the platforms.
# fr33domlover jaywink[m], I mostly agree, but specifications and standards are created using implementations and lessons learned while creating them. And some things are plain ActivityPub stuff that doesn't depend on ForgeFed decisions. I guess nobody feels like being a pioneer, they don't want the experimental stuff in git master, and I understand that. Even to have a Gitea fork I'd need help at this point because Idk
# fr33domlover Go (and I don't have much time for it, because I'm already overloaded working on Vervis)
# fr33domlover I guess I just wish someone raised their hand decided to start implementing stuff in Gitea by the safe step-by-step plan :p
# fr33domlover Even if it's just a fork for now
# fr33domlover Soon I'll write a little summary of what I've done so far, but even if nothing changes, I'll just continue working and I'll collect info by observation and discussion
# jaywink[m] I still plan on adding some forge vocab to SH but things just move so slowly... currently still implementing Note on the AP side :D
# fr33domlover jaywink[m], it feels slow to me too! And I imagine you're more busy than I am
# fr33domlover I mean, my work feels slow too
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# rialtate[m] rhiaro: o/
# rialtate[m] Raising hand in response to the question
# rigelk[m]1 Mobilizon is doing events at the moment
# rialtate[m] It's called Samajam (telugu for community). It's in very preliminary stages. https://samaj.am will be it's home.
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rhiaro thanks rigelk! I know Mobilizon, and just found about https://gettogether.community/
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