#social 2019-10-10
2019-10-10 UTC
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dansup yes, it's been down for a while
# dansup one day I will wake up early enough to attend one of these meetings
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# doublequartz hey guys! I'm implementing ActivityPub. however I have a question... what I should do if I want to edit a message while keeping the old one intact in history?
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jaywink[m] doublequartz (IRC): I think you would just send an `Update
{ Note }` for example, if talking about federation layer. How you keep multiple revisions in your own platform is really more of an implementation detail not really related to AP# jaywink[m] unless you meant how to represent revisions over federation?
# doublequartz I'm using AP for client to server protocol
# doublequartz I would have to extend the protocol in some way and when I tried it didn't make sense
# jaywink[m] ah right. probably an OrderedCollection on the Note for the revisions, for example? but yeah AP C2S probably doesn't have anything for you here
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# fr33domlover doublequartz, you have the previous versions in the Create and Update activities you previously sent, found in your outbox
# doublequartz yes but that does not inform that the old content should be accessible
# fr33domlover doublequartz, do you need the previous versions to be visible alongside the Note object? If yes, you could do what jaywink[m] suggested, add a property mapping to an OrderedCollection of the previous versions
# fr33domlover Hmmm considering Matrix has this feature too, perhaps we could make a standard way to do it in AP
# doublequartz while I could live with it for now it doesn't sound like it's the right way to do it
# jaywink[m] all events in matrix sit on a timeline
# doublequartz for any sizable content it's o(n^2)
# fr33domlover doublequartz, what do you mean n^2 ? what better way do you suggest? I suppose you could have some trick like publishing just the diffs, or have each version as a separate object with a separate URL, so that they aren't all served at once etc.
# fr33domlover doublequartz, or store the note history in a git repo ^_^
# jesopo omg no
# doublequartz how about making a history wrapper with a prev property, creating a linked list?
# fr33domlover doublequartz, that would be fine (but also means if you want to display/list all history, you need O(n) requests, while with an OrderedCollection you can list the versions in 1 place)
# jaywink[m] probably all this depends also on the type of platform, ie is editing likely to happen a lot or not so
# jaywink[m] social media posts are probably not edited so frequently but a wiki would have long history
# doublequartz I'm trying to make a sort of hybrid..
# doublequartz looking forward to make it possible within an open standard
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# fr33domlover \o cwebber2
# jesopo o/
# fr33domlover cwebber2, doing well. Having a so-called free day (i.e. no shifts at the job today) and spending some hours coding. Watched the Mark Miller apconf talk today and enjoyed it :) how are you cwebber2?
# fr33domlover cwebber2, good to hear you're getting to do the more interesting things then ^_^
# fr33domlover I'm worried a bit that if I worked on my project more, say full-time, I'd be much more lonely
# fr33domlover Because my j0b is with people and it's a big part of my weekly being-around-people-I-know
# jesopo do hobby work at code while your boss isn't working. labour reclamation!
# jesopo boss makes a dollar, i make a dime, that's why i write open source ActivityPub software on company time
# fr33domlover jesopo, I used to have a tech job in which I had freedom to spend time doing my own stuff when nobody was looking etc. :p but now it's possible for me only during night shifts (which I try to avoid, and I'm usually too tired anyway). I just want to replace the j0b with time spent on my project :p even if I don't get paid for it etc.
# fr33domlover I guess many people are in a situation where they have a tech job and want to somehow find time for FOSS work
# fr33domlover (I would guess there are some/many some people in this channel ^_^)
# fr33domlover cwebber2, if not too personal (it's ok if it is), may I ask how you deal with that, if loneliness comes to you sometimes? Do you do some intentional social stuff etc. to combat loneliness? I do know nice people on IRC etc. but just as-is, they can't replace the in-person aspects of my job
# fr33domlover (although tbh I already feel lonely often, so maybe not much would change)
# fr33domlover cwebber2, yes, thank you for sharing. My situation is quite different, but I could do the meet-friends thing more, and do more activities in a group
# fr33domlover cwebber2, I don't think I ever had many friends anywhere, but I have a few. And been in the same area for a long time. Often it's not the amount of people for me, it's the quality of the connection that's challenging to achieve ^_^ I did start going to yoga studio and I'll try some writing groups etc. maybe I can make friends there
# cjslep[m] Go-fed is a direct product of loneliness (moved to a different country, don't speak the language)
# fr33domlover cjslep[m] aw that sounds difficult
# fr33domlover I intend to be traveling at some point soon and then I'll constantly be a stranger :p
# fr33domlover cwebber2, yoga class mostly failed at the friend-making part, maybe also because I'm such an introvert and I don't make friends easily :p but even seeing people is nice
# fr33domlover cwebber2, like a pipeline of commands, each waiting for the previous one's input and then does its part and sends the output to the next command?
# fr33domlover a/input/output
# fr33domlover Hmmm that reminds me of the streaming libraries in Haskell ^_^
# fr33domlover cwebber2, I think E deserves to be a bit more famous :p
# fr33domlover wants to read more about E, and also about Distributed Haskell, but no time for this yet
# fr33domlover Does anyone here follow repos on forges like githu8, gitlab, etc.?
# fr33domlover If yes, how do you feel about the idea of following some repos via the Fediverse e.g. Mastodon?
# fr33domlover In the past people asked for this and now it's implemented and possible (on my side; would need to add some lines of code to the fediverse servers of course)
# fr33domlover And I'm wondering
# fr33domlover How useful really is it
# fr33domlover I gtg, here's a question on which I'm looking for hel/p/advice/opinions https://talk.feneas.org/t/who-generates-the-push-activity/165
# fr33domlover About repo push AP activities
# fr33domlover ^_^
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# feld is there an ical or something i can subscribe to for the scheduled meetings?
# kaniini (also i am going to talk with the other members of the litepub cabal about doing public office hours calls on a bi-weekly basis opposite to the SocialCG, so that we can, amongst other things, talk about what SocialCG is doing and provide feedback)
# kaniini seems like a job for jesopo
# jesopo did someone say bot
# jesopo I'm sure i can tackle that
# jesopo i gotta get my act together and finish federating :p
# dansup mood
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# dansup socialhub.network has been sunset, thanks for all the fish