#wordpress 2017-11-16

2017-11-16 UTC
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GWG I still want to add that logging enhancement
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GWG I put the hook in
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[miklb] I suspect the issue is the mbstring. Someone else had some problem.
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[miklb] same problem
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GWG [miklb]: I proposed a fallback be put in just in case
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[miklb] 4.9 is officially out
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GWG Is it?
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[miklb] yep
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[miklb] `Updating to version 4.9 (en_US)...`
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GWG How is it?
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[miklb] only updated my local install so far, but not seeing anything broken or different ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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GWG Hello, j12t
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j12t HI guys! So when I asked in Portland in June what plugins etc are relevant, I was told: bridgy-publish, indieauth, indieauth-post-kinds, indieweb, micropub, semantic-linkbacks, social-networks-0auto-poster, syndication-links, webmention, wp-uf2, independent-publisher, and sempress. I think. Is that still the list?
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tantek if there is such a canonical list, it should be on the wordpress plugins page
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tantek what are wordpress plugins
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Loqi WordPress Plugins are plugins that can help make your site more IndieWeb friendly https://indieweb.org/WordPress/Plugins
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j12t I don't know about canonical, I only know what people told me
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j12t So I'd like my "get Indieweb Wordpress running" trail to say "install plugins X,Y and Z"
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j12t and talk about alternatives and tradeoffs only after the site is running
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j12t objective is to be on the indieweb and see benefits (particular cross-posting and pulling comments back in) with the shortest possible time investment.
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GWG Bridgy Publish and Social Network Auto Poster can do the same thing. It is a matter of preference. Independent Publisher and Sempress are themes...so same function. wp-uf2 is only needed if you don't have an Indieweb friendly theme.
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GWG But, all the others I would install as canonical.
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GWG I really wish I could say just yes.
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j12t GWG: I'd like to pick one for each, and only talk about alternatives later. Your recommendation which?
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GWG Bridgy Publish is more Indiewebby
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GWG SemPress is more mature
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j12t Excellent, thank you.
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j12t And if sempress, I don't need wp-uf2?
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GWG j12t: Correct
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j12t Actually, it occurs to me it would be nice to not just document site installation and setup, but keep the site running ..?!?
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j12t "and if you follow this tutorial, your site will look like this one"
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[mrkrndvs] I have access miklb, just need to access it. Will look there (did not know to do so)
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GWG j12t: Things continue to get better though. Even since June
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j12t One step at a time :-) of course!
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GWG j12t: I was very productive in July.
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GWG Something about being stuck abroad
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j12t Travel and productivity ... randomly correlated between -1 and 1
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GWG j12t: Fewer distractions
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j12t I've had it either way. There's a famous picture of me, typing away furiously on a laptop, on a yacht off the BVI. RIght behind the rum punch. Best business meeting ever :-)
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[mrkrndvs] Can I just confer something. I thought maybe there was a log in the backend, but could not find anything. I know the dashboard, but have only started on the journey to hacking the code. miklb do you mean this? https://codex.wordpress.org/Debugging_in_WordPress
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[miklb] Yes, that would be turning on debug and would generate a debug.log in your wp-content directory
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[miklb] mrkrndvs a simple debug step might to be turn off semantic linkbacks and see if webmentions work, that is where we are having the issue with mbstring. If that doesn’t fix it, then we can look at other options to debug. unless you are comfortable with the debugging steps
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[mrkrndvs] miklb I'll start with the semantic linkbacks and go from there. Thank you. Not averse to debugging, just never done it. Gotta be a first for everything
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[miklb] indeed
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[miklb] speaking of debug.log my friend Andrew put this plugin together to allow you to view the log from the admin https://github.com/norcross/debug-quick-look
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Loqi [norcross] debug-quick-look: Adds a link to view or purge the debug.log file in WordPress
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[colinwalker] Webmentions, semantic linkbacks and micropub all looking okay for me after WP 4.9 update.
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[mrkrndvs] miklb that seems to have worked, although still testing. What is the mb_string fix?
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[mrkrndvs] Can anyone tell me why weird things might be happening to my author code, it reads as follows: <span class='p-author h-card'>Aaron Davis</span>
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[mrkrndvs] Do I need to add something associated with h-cards to my theme? I am sure I just missed something. Just wondering. (Apologies for stupid questions)
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[mrkrndvs] Had a go at using the plugin. Went into admin and turned WP_DEBUG to true, but it would not open the error log, sadly. Must have missed something. Maybe I was meant to reload or something. Unsure. Learning.
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jeremycherfas Are you still using twentyseventeen?
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[mrkrndvs] I am using SemPress, would that make a difference ?
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jeremycherfas I don't think so, but a good starting point. I use a child of Independent Publisher. I dont show author, as I am the only person who publishes there, so I need to check how my h-card works. Hang on
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GWG If you are using Sempress, turn off Microformats 2
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jeremycherfas Have you tried checking with php.microformats.io?
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jeremycherfas Ah, if GWG is here, I can relax.
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GWG Oh?
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[colinwalker] mb_string needs to be installed for PHP. Have a look here: http://www.knowledgebase-script.com/kb/article/how-to-enable-mbstring-in-php-46.html
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jeremycherfas My byline includes <span class="author p-author vcard h-card"> and is not visible on the site.
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[mrkrndvs] @GWG I wish all problems were that simple. Thank you.
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GWG It's an issue with the Microformats 2 plugin
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[mrkrndvs] So @GWG the Microformats 2 is only needed when the features are not baked into the Theme? Must admit, still learning about Microformats http://boffosocko.com/2017/10/27/reply-to-laying-the-standards-for-a-blogging-renaissance-by-aaron-davis/
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich] Reply to Laying the Standards for a Blogging Renaissance by Aaron Davis
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GWG Correct
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[mrkrndvs] Has anyone written up on the fix for mbstring? Assuming that if pings are now flowing through that maybe that is my problem ... (At least for one of my blogs)
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GWG I opened an issue
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jeremycherfas Is there a simple way to get the content of Mentions to appear rather than a facepile?
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jeremycherfas By simple, I mean not editing the database to change the nature of the Mention.
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GWG snarfed opened a ticket on that. There is not an easy way at the moment because of the way things are done. But it is still being debated
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jeremycherfas OK. Is the ticket on Semantic Linkbacks?
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GWG Yes
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GWG That is what does the Facepiles
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jeremycherfas Thanks
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GWG You can call the Facepile code in your theme manually, which could address the issue, but...
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jeremycherfas Right.
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GWG I worked a little on having some themes take over functions because using hooks doesn't always allow the custom placement you want.
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jeremycherfas I'm trying to work around it in my Theme, which is OK for now as I don't have time to go deeper and probably won't for a couple of weeks.
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jeremycherfas I know I found a way to disable display of the Webmentions by Independent Publisher before, but I can't for the life of me find it or remember it now.
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[pfefferle] good morning
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jeremycherfas Dispaly: none; on #comments will do it, but is not ideal for my purposes. But it will do for now.
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jeremycherfas If I could pull out and display only comments with class="h-as-mention" I think that would do the trick.
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jeremycherfas But it is time now for lunch.
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[pfefferle] jeremycherfas you can use the latest master version… snarfed added settings to disable facepiles for mentions
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jeremycherfas Where is the master? Not here https://github.com/acegiak/Semantic-Linkbacks
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Loqi [acegiak] Semantic-Linkbacks
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[pfefferle] no, this one: https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks
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Loqi [pfefferle] wordpress-semantic-linkbacks: More meaningfull linkbacks
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[pfefferle] a bit tricky, I know ?
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jeremycherfas :) Doing it now. Thanks.
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jeremycherfas Do I need to rename the folder?
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jeremycherfas Or just update semantic-linkbacks.php?
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jeremycherfas That works fine.
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jeremycherfas Pfefferle++
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Loqi pfefferle has 7 karma in this channel (37 overall)
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[pfefferle] I want to add some more changes from snarfed before I release a new version, so this could last some more days
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jeremych_ Success!
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[pfefferle] jeremycherfas nice theme
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jeremych_ Thanks. Minor mods of Independent Publisher.
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[pfefferle] oh nice, this is based on Independent Publisher?
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jeremych_ Yes.
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[pfefferle] if you are interested I am working on a very similar theme, which is fully indieweb compatible https://notiz.blog
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[pfefferle] but still work in progress https://github.com/pfefferle/ZenPress
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Loqi [pfefferle] ZenPress: Pure Zen for WordPress
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jeremych_ That is a beautiful theme.
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jeremych_ I think you have improved it since I first looked at it.
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[pfefferle] thanks ?
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jeremych_ One problem now is that displaying the source of the webmention by the theme seems pretty tricky. No time now though.
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[pfefferle] what do you mean by source?
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[pfefferle] the real message of a mention?
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[pfefferle] I think we should make an option for that
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jeremych_ The author of the mention. But this is an issue with the theme, not the plugin.
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jeremych_ And I am sure that there must be a better way of choosing which webmentions to display, using a filter rather than a CSS rule.
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tantek indeed
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[miklb] good morning
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Loqi guten morgen
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[pfefferle] Good morning miklb
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[chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas If you need details for converting from a facepiled webmention to a comment, this should work in general if you're okay with monkeying in your database until there's admin UI for tweaks: http://boffosocko.com/2017/10/06/using-facepiles-in-comments-for-wordpress-with-webmentions-and-semantic-linkbacks/#Steps+to+convert+a+mention+to+a+comment
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich] Using Facepiles in Comments for WordPress with Webmentions and Semantic Linkbacks
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[mrkrndvs] I am assume that you mean this https://github.com/pfefferle/wordpress-semantic-linkbacks/issues/122
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Loqi [miklb] #122 Absence of `mbstring` php extensions causes webmentions to fail
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[mrkrndvs] Is it fair to say that right now, just leave the Semantic Linkbacks Plugin off is the easiest solution for the Mb problem
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[miklb] mrkrndvs if you do not have access to install php extensions on your server or your host for some reason is unable to then that’s currently the only option while we explore a long term solution
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[miklb] but webmentions by themselves are featureless. Semantic Linkbacks does most of the magic for being able to display the webmentions.
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[mrkrndvs] I have access, but sometimes I am like a little kid pushing buttons when I open up the bonnet. I found the issue raised on GitHub, but I could not identify the solution, sorry