#wordpress 2018-01-07

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GWG I need to enhance the rss feed possibly
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GWG [miklb]: Hello. May I add you to my poll, for a moment?
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[miklb] poll?
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GWG Part of my work this weekend has been on Weather
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GWG Weather is inside Simple Location.
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GWG What sort of personal locations do you want to or like to share?
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GWG I'm trying to design the settings to cover people who want to and don't want to share
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[miklb] Personally I would go with a loose location as default with option to be more specific.
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GWG Right now, I go with the original WordPress Geodata permissions expanded
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[miklb] I don’t know what those are
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GWG https://codex.wordpress.org/Geodata
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GWG geo_public indicates that Private is 0, Public is 1, and if missing or not set to 0, assume public
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GWG I expanded that definition to additional granular publics at either non-zero numbers.
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[miklb] sure. I thought you were discussing how specific is the location.
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GWG Well, the feature that links into weather that I'm set to implement is geodata support for users, which means I'm logging the last location a user was reported at.
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GWG That's the feature I'm trying to flesh out.
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GWG Settings wise.
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GWG I was looking at granularity for it as well, but I have to start with the extent people want to
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GWG A. Automatically set a default location for posts based on the user.
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GWG B. Is this a permanent default location or 'last seen'?
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GWG C. If it is last seen, when does that expire, if ever? If you check in in Fiji, and you live in Tampa, and you don't update your location for a month, that would mean all posts would be tagged as Fiji...
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GWG Am I overthinking this?
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GWG Hello, devsl.
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devsl Hi :)
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devsl I got all of the plugins, but can’t find any settings, except for maybe Bridgy
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devsl Any tips?
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GWG devsl: What settings are you looking for?
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GWG If you installed the Indieweb plugin, all settings are under the Indieweb menu, except for the Webmention ones, which are under 'Discussion'.
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devsl I installed IndieWeb, Webmention, Semantic Callbacks, Syndication Links, Micropub and Bridgy Publish
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GWG devsl: What do you want to do specifically? Happy to help.
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devsl I want to set up Webmention and Micropub for my site, so I can use it with Micro.blog, but can’t figure out what to do exactly
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devsl This is the site: slsrepo.com
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devsl Micro.blog posts are on slsrepo.com/category/micro-blog-posts
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GWG Well, Webmention will work out of the box if you enabled the options in Discussions to "Attempt to notify any blogs linked.. " "Allow link notifications.." and "Allow people to post comments"
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GWG Lower down on the same page, you'll see the ability to enable Webmentions for Pages, etc.
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GWG Micropub has no settings
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GWG Yet
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GWG Enable it and it is on.
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GWG But bear in mind, Micropub is a Micropub server, to post to a WordPress site.
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devsl how do I know what is my Micropub token?
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GWG If you want to post to Micro.blog, that is a Micropub client.
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GWG devsl: Micro.blog asks for a token?
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GWG I really should sign up for an account just to see how the two work together.
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devsl My Micro.blog is linked to my WordPress, so new posts on WordPress show up on Micro.blog
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devsl It’s pulling the posts from WordPress with my RSS/JSON Feed
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GWG devsl: So, if you enable the Micropub server, you can use a Micropub client to post to the WordPress site, and they will show up on Micro.blog
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devsl But to post from a third party app I need my Micropub token
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GWG devsl: Which app? Most of them will get the token directly.
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devsl Micron for Micro.blog
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GWG devsl: Got a link to that?
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GWG I'm interested to see. I can tell you how to manually get a token, but I'm surprised the client doesn't open up a login so it can get it itself.
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devsl chrislopez.micro.blog/micron/
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devsl You should definitely sign up for Micro.blog, It’s a great service with a really nice (but currently small) community and it’s very open.
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Loqi yea!
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GWG devsl: I met Manton a few weeks back and saw some demos.
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devsl I can send you a screenshot of the app, since it’s currently in beta
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devsl the Micron app, that is
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devsl if I want to publish to a site other than a hosted micro.blog, I need a URL and Micropub token for that
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GWG It asks for a Micropub token?
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GWG Interesting.
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GWG Regrettably, I'm not an iOS user.
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GWG I hope before it leaves beta, he implements the full spec to get the token for you.
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sknebel what is gimme a token?
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Loqi gimme a token is a helper to obtain a an access token from your IndieAuth endpoint: https://gimme-a-token.5eb.nl/ https://indieweb.org/gimme_a_token
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devsl I can suggest that for him - he is very fast at fixing bugs/implementing new features
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sknebel ^^^ you can use that to get a token from your site, but as GWG says, hopefully that gets fixed
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GWG sknebel: I was going to suggest Gimme a Token, but is Micro.blog using the Indieauth.com token endpoint or another one?
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GWG I'm not sure.
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GWG As I said, I should sign up to play with it.
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GWG But all the nice tools are for Apple products.
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GWG And I'm a Linux/Android user, so I can't try them out
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sknebel GWG: for posting to wordpress, what token endpoint is used by micro.blog doesn't matter
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GWG sknebel: Good point. But does this beta app do that?
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devsl It’s completely free for WordPress/Tumblr/Movable Type/Any other site that outputs RSS/JSON feeds
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GWG I'm probably overthinking it
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devsl I think I confused you a bit
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GWG devsl: It's possible, but I also confuse myself sometimes.
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devsl Micro.blog itself doesn’t need the token, it fetches it for you
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GWG I did just sign up for an account, but I'm not feeding it yet.
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GWG Might as well reserve the name
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devsl you just need a feed to add posts to the site without a hosted micro.blog
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devsl but that Micron app I’m beta testing asks for a token
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devsl What do I fill in the Auth field of Gimme a token?
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GWG I wonder what the developer had in mind.
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devsl no idea :P
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GWG Could it be the token in account settings under micro.blog?
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GWG I see one there
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GWG devsl: I did hook some of my site up to Micro.blog
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devsl the tokens in the account settings of micro.blog is just application passwords
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devsl the tokens in the account settings of micro.blog is just application passwords
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devsl since micro.blog doesn’t use password for user login, when you want to use a third party app you need an app password
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devsl I need a token generated for my WordPress site
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devsl I need a token generated for my WordPress site
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devsl why are my posts sent twice?
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devsl my messages, not posts
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devsl seems like it’s fixed
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GWG devsl: The Micropub server for WordPress uses Indieauth.com by default, so the Auth Endpoint in there by default is correct. Me is your URL. The default shoudl work.
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GWG devsl: If you want to see what Micropub can do, may I make a suggestion for you to test something?
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devsl sure
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devsl suggest away
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GWG There's a reference Micropub client at http://quill.p3k.io/ - Give it a shot quickly to see how the server part works for you. It does the token hunt seamlessly, and is a good comparison
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devsl btw, I tried gimme a token, the page at IndieAuth says micro.blog can’t be used for auth
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GWG devsl: Under your micro.blog settings, there is one for App Settings
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GWG At the bottom, it says "Indieauth lets you sign in with your domain name..." If you host your microblog on micro.blog...
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GWG If you add it there, it would workk.
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GWG However, if you want it to work with your wordpress site, you need to put in that URL
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devsl Just tried quill
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devsl It won’t create the post - it says 401
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devsl I did get the token generated from gimme a token
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devsl I need to use the access token part?
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GWG devsl: You logged in successfully to Quill and it got a 401 from your site?
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devsl yep
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GWG The only reasons why the Micropub server would return a 401 would be if the Access Token was not scoped properly or if the URL didn't match the site homepage or the user URL of any user
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GWG Go to your user profile and add the URL of the site to the URL field?
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devsl oh I see the problem
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devsl oh I see the problem
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devsl I used http://slsrepo.com and my site is https://slsrepo.com
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GWG If the http site redirects to the https site, it should figure that out, but currently it doesn't.
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devsl yeah, I redirect the http to https
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devsl and wordpress is on the https
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devsl I use the rel=me link to twitter as http though
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devsl I found your profile on Micro.blog, I see you are jewish :)
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devsl I found your profile on Micro.blog, I see you are jewish :)
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devsl I am too :)
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devsl I am too :)
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GWG devsl: Did it start importing stuff? Good
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devsl Yeah it imported a lot of things :)
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devsl Yeah it imported a lot of things :)
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devsl Yeah it imported a lot of things :)
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GWG I gave it Notes, Checkins, Likes, and Bookmarks
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GWG devsl: But anything on the WordPress side I can definitely try to help with.
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devsl I’m gonna try the webmentions after I finish the Micropub :)
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devsl So, with the token I got from gimme-a-token
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devsl I need just the access token part? or the whole thing?
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devsl me=http%3A%2F%2Fslsrepo.com%2F&scope=create+update&access_token=alotoflettersandnumbers
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devsl this is what I got
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GWG Just the access_token
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devsl so, Micron doesn’t support pasting that access token, I need to manually type it in >.<
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GWG Does it work though?
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devsl About Webmentions, I replied to my test post, but I don’t see anything - do I need to configure bridge?
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devsl bridgy
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devsl Haven’t written the entire token in yet, so don’t know if it works
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GWG devsl: How did you reply?
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devsl On Micro.blog
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devsl You can see it on my profile - Micro.blog/devsl
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devsl and on the website, https://slsrepo.com/micro-blog-posts/68806
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GWG devsl: The post on your site isn't marked up as a reply. And it doesn't link to anything, so it wouldn't have processed as a webmention
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devsl the post on the site is the first post
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GWG And where is the reply post?
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devsl I see it doesn’t show up on the website
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devsl It shows up on the apps, not on the Micro.blog website
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devsl wait
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devsl nope, don’t see it
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GWG Does it have a URL?
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devsl I think it does, but can’t see where to get it
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GWG In order for webmentions to work, it needs to find the link
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devsl also, followup on micropub, Micron didn’t work with it, said the details are invalid
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devsl I guess the issue is the same as it was with Quill
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devsl how should I fix it?
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GWG devsl: Set the URL in your user profile to the same one you are putting in
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devsl you mean on twitter?
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GWG devsl: In your WordPress user profile
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devsl on my WordPress profile it shows up
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devsl on my WordPress profile it shows up
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devsl followup on web mention - I got them!
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devsl they showed up in my comments to approve screen
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devsl sweet :)
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devsl look at my page now
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devsl slsrepo.com/micro-blog-posts/68806
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devsl https://slsrepo.com/micro-blog-posts/68806
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Loqi devsl says: January 7, 2018 at 23:15 @devsl test https://www.gravatar.com/avatar/bfc348ea5d143e017e0d78c12b0aef10?s=96
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devsl yep :)
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devsl the two replies went in :)
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GWG There it is working as expected
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GWG Your reply was parsed and added as a comment.
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devsl great, so the webmentions are working :)
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devsl Now, about micropub, what did say about the wordpress profile?
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devsl I have twitter showing up there
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GWG Yes, but the URL that Micropub uses to match user to site is your User URL
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GWG It is under Your Profile -> Website
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devsl yes, my website is the url with the https
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devsl on the profile, the website address is the site address with https
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devsl what’s next?
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GWG Then if you enter that as your domain in a Micropub client, it should let you post
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GWG Like Quill as a test
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devsl cool, so, Quill worked
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GWG devsl: We're getting there
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devsl but Micron still claims it’s invalid.
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devsl I’ll handle that with the developer :)
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devsl I’ll let him know - and request to make the app make the whole token generation :)
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GWG devsl: Or at least better documentation
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devsl so, what do I need more?
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devsl can you explain to me what each plugin does exactly?
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GWG devsl: Let's reverse the question
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GWG What do you want to do?
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devsl now that I got Micropub and Webmentions working (and by the looks of it, IndieAuth is working too), what other things do I need to make my site fully IndieWeb compatible?
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devsl What each plugin does?
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devsl What each plugin does?
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devsl Webmentions and Micropub, covered
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GWG IndieAuth the plugin just allows you to login to your site using an Indieauth server.
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GWG Webmention allows you to receive and send webmentions.
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devsl Syndication Links, Semantic Callbacks? Bridgy Publish?
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GWG Semantic Linkbacks makes it look pretty
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GWG Syndication Links optionally adds links to each post noting where it appears on another site. For example, Micro.blog, Twitter, etc.
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GWG Bridgy Publish allows you to easy publish using the Bridgy service
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GWG Which also, if you register, will pull back responses from Facebook, Twitter, Instagram etc back to your site
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devsl like the OwnYourGram site?
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devsl Import instagram posts to my site?
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GWG devsl: Bridgy is more for likes and replies than your posts
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devsl so the Publish plugin is for cross-posting? similar to JetPack Publicize?
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GWG devsl: It's a UI for the Bridgy site
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GWG https://brid.gy/
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GWG The text there might explain it better
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devsl I saw the site
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devsl ok
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GWG I, for example, post on my site, syndicate or cross-post to Twitter, for example, and pull back any replies using Bridgy to my version of the post
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devsl How is Bridgy different than Webmentions if it imports my likes/replies?
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GWG Bridgy turns other website responses into webmentions
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GWG Facebook and Twitter don't support webmention
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devsl oh ok
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devsl got it :)
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devsl what are Post Kinds, Microformats2, Simple Location?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Post Kinds, Microformats2, Simple Location" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Post Kinds, Microformats2, Simple Location is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG Simple Location adds location awareness to WordPress posts, comments, and users
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GWG Microformats2 adds markup to your theme if it doesn't support Microformats 2, which is what is used to figure out what a like is.
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GWG Post Kinds allows you to mark up posts as likes, checkins, replies, etc.
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devsl What are Microformats? those h-entry, h-card things?
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Loqi microformats are extensions to HTML for marking up people, organizations, events, locations, blog posts, products, reviews, resumes, recipes etc https://indieweb.org/microformats
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GWG devsl: Yes
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devsl So, I can add it to the theme without handling with the theme code? my theme is a mess :P
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devsl I’m just lazy when it comes to working on it
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devsl I mostly work on my iOS apps
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GWG devsl: That is what Microformats2 tries to do, but it is hard to do that in WordPress accurately, so inside the theme is better
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devsl So, I should write that support in my theme :)
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GWG If you can.
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GWG I've helped people with that if needed
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devsl In what ways can you help with that?
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GWG devsl: I've made a fork of three themes and redid them with microformats2. I know where to look
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devsl ah ok
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devsl my theme isn’t open source though
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GWG Well, that might be a problem if I am not able to see it.
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GWG If I can see the code, I can modify it
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devsl If you want, I can send you the code
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GWG Happy to try to help.
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devsl where/how to send it?
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devsl do you have dropbox? I can set up a shared folder
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GWG I have it, but I haven't used Dropbox in ages.
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GWG It used too many CPU cycles
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devsl what would be the best way to send it to you?
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GWG You should still be able to send it. I can download it from the website then
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devsl Oh ok
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devsl What is the email I should send it to?
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Loqi yea
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GWG My first name at my last name dot com
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devsl shared folder or zip file?
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devsl what do you prefer?
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GWG Zip
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devsl Sent
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devsl Did you get it?
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GWG I just got a notification about it
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GWG Isn't it 1AM there?
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devsl yes it is :P
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devsl I’m a night owl, occasionally
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GWG Just curious.
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GWG I'll have a look in a few minutes.
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GWG The theme is a few years old, from the looks of it.
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GWG Have to read through it to see how it was set up
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GWG Do you still need IE7 compatibility?
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GWG I see a bunch of stuff to support older browsers
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devsl Well, not really, but if we can keep it, cool, if not, well, fine
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devsl It was made back, around 6 years ago
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GWG I see a lot of things that have been superseded, but I think I could make some modifications.
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devsl As I told you
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devsl I really need to clean it up
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devsl I really need to clean it up
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GWG devsl: Are you running the latest version of WordPress?
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devsl yeah
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devsl yeah
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devsl 4.9.1
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devsl 4.9.1
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devsl and my PHP Version on the server is 7.1.7
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GWG So, I could cut some backward compatibility cruft
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devsl if you can clean it up, remove all the “gconverter” mentions etc, would be great
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devsl if you can clean it up, remove all the “gconverter” mentions etc, would be great
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GWG But, Microformats 2, the plugin will work for now
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GWG Remove gconverter mentions would be hard. They are everywhere
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GWG Every single file.
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devsl It was a huge mistake
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GWG I'm just going to add the right classes for markup.
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GWG devsl: You could always switch themes.
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GWG Is there something in this theme you are attached to?
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devsl I really like my theme and it works great for me too, I just wanna clean up the code so It would be less of an headache to edit - and maybe make the site faster
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devsl that gconverter thing, I originally used the them on Drupal and didn’t have a lot of time to rewrite the theme when I moved the site to WordPress, so I used this “gconverter” conversion service - which worked but the code is not covered in this
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devsl *theme instead of them
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GWG Doing a massive rewrite is beyond what I would be able to help you with right now. But adding the classes for microformats2 I can do.
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devsl I’m willing to pay :)
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devsl but alright
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devsl but alright
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devsl if you can just add the microformats, it would be great
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GWG I build things for fun mostly, not money.
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GWG So, I did Simple Location, which you asked about, because I wanted to show maps on my site.
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devsl I need to set some time aside and rewrite the theme to also support these micro.blog posts better
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devsl I totally get you, I’m a developer too
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devsl I totally get you, I’m a developer too
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GWG devsl: I'll see what I can do. I'm working on finishing up weather support, but..
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GWG devsl: I'm not one professionally. My studies were in another field. For me, I build things that I want to use.
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devsl It’s just that it’s a massive thing, so, don’t wanna take your time off other projects with no gain
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devsl oh nice
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devsl I make apps that I want to use, then I just continue to modify it to fill the needs of users who liked it :)
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devsl I’m doing iOS apps mainly
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devsl for example, I made my browser app, Browsy, just so I can have an easy to use, nice for reading and writing browser
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GWG devsl: Exactly the same
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GWG My project this week is adding weather support to Simple Location
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GWG Why?
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GWG I live in New York.
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devsl but then people used it for “kiosk modes”, for presentations, for museum exhibits, etc, so I added some features to it
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GWG There was a big snowstorm
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devsl yeah I heard
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devsl yeah I heard
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GWG I want to note it in my posts
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GWG But, I have 5 related issues that my design for weather will add that people asked for.
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devsl I heard it was -40 celsius yesterday on the US, with at least 19 casualties
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devsl I heard it was -40 celsius yesterday on the US, with at least 19 casualties
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GWG Not in my area.
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GWG It is -8.5C here right now
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devsl sounds insane and scary - weather here is casual, never to high, never to low
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devsl it’s 9 degrees here
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devsl not to high, not to low, It’s around 4-40 celsius
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devsl not to high, not to low, It’s around 4-40 celsius
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devsl 4 and 40 are rare though
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devsl 4 and 40 are rare though
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devsl winter is around 10-20, summer is like 20-35
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GWG I know. I've been to Acre.
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devsl Oh nice hehe
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devsl Oh nice hehe
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GWG I haven't hung around there much, but have been there.
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devsl a nice coincidence, but it’s where I live :P
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devsl I mean, the exact city :P
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devsl I mean, the exact city :P
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GWG devsl: I know. I read your site
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devsl oh :)
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devsl I’m currently also working on a text editor and file previewer
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devsl I made a weather web app a few years ago
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devsl maybe some of it’s code could be of use to your weather work
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devsl slsrepo.com/sosweather
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devsl https://slsrepo.com/sosweather
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devsl It’s in Python
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devsl the source code is on my site, on the Products page
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devsl supports english and hebrew
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GWG Link didn't work
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devsl sorry, add a trailing /
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devsl https://slsrepo.com/sosweather/
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GWG Nothing seems to load, oddly.
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devsl what browser are you using?
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devsl what browser are you using?
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GWG Firefox
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GWG latest
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devsl does it support asking your location?
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GWG Yes
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GWG I let it
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devsl oh wierd
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devsl weird
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devsl the first page is intentionally blank, it asks for your location services then forwards you to the weather page according to the coordinates it picked up
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devsl if it’s still blank it failed to pick it up
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devsl Works fine for me in Safari and Chrome
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devsl Don’t have Firefox handy
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