#wordpress 2018-01-08

2018-01-08 UTC
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devsl Anyway, if you know Python, as I said, the code is on the site :)
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devsl https://slsrepo.com/downloads/SOSWeather.zip
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devsl It’s Python 2.7, not 3
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devsl What just happened?
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GWG Not sure what you mean?
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devsl Why did the chat history got wiped out?
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GWG Not sure. I'm on IRC
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devsl ah I’m on the website
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devsl chat.indieweb.org
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devsl Did you get that download link?
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GWG Yes
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devsl cool, if it helps you, great :)
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devsl you are still working on the microformats?
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GWG As I said, I have something to do before I get to that.
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GWG Probably not today
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GWG I set a goal to finish weather.
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devsl Oh ok :)
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devsl question, is Syndication Links currently online on my site?
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devsl I mean, the plugin is enabled
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devsl but does it show up?
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GWG You would need to add data
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devsl So, I’m going to sleep
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devsl If you are still here David, have a good rest of the day
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devsl I assume you have my email in case you finish the microformats work
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devsl and thanks for everything :)
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devsl and thanks for everything :)
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devsl I’ll check back here tomorrow maybe :)
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devsl bye for now :)
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[miklb] good day. anyone still up for the chat today on how to move the plugin ecosystem forward
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tantek is intersted in listening, will read logs
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snarfed [miklb]: yes!
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Loqi snarfed: [pfefferle] left you a message on 2017-11-21 at 5:41pm UTC: sorry for the typo on github... I do not want YOU to implement a more robust solution, but me! 😳
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snarfed did we get kraftbj too?
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snarfed hey [miklb] what are the logistics? talky? google hangout?
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[miklb] GWG I believe touched base with him and was a tenative yes
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snarfed 🤞
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[miklb] I don’t know we had logistics, I think mostly getting everyone in same space to talk and hopefully decide on a path forward. I was assuming just here in the #wordpress channel
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snarfed huh ok. voice might be better. maybe talky or something similar
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snarfed but either works
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snarfed also https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-uf2/issues/30 is probably required reading for prep, hopefully we'll come out of this mtg with a choice of solution
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Loqi [dshanske] #30 Microformats 2 Rendering
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[miklb] For everyone else reading along https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-uf2/issues/30 is what we hope to finalize a solution for
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Loqi [dshanske] #30 Microformats 2 Rendering
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snarfed (of the candidates proposed there)
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[miklb] re-reading that thread, I’m still not sure the options on the table. Seems still a big divide between having a one true source plugin for all things mf2 (be it the IW plugin or the uf2) or no central plugin directing traffic and the onus is on theme and plugin developers to navigate the traffic signals of who gets to display what.
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[pfefferle] Hey hey, i am very sorry, but I cannot attend the discussion today 😔
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snarfed [pfefferle]: :(:(
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snarfed np though! we're still planning to choose and try to commit to a solution from the candidates in https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-uf2/issues/30 . hopefully you won't mind if we do that without you :P
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Loqi [dshanske] #30 Microformats 2 Rendering
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[pfefferle] Sorry, but I am feeling really sick today
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snarfed feel better!
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snarfed [miklb]: yeah, that divide is worth discussing
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[pfefferle] Perhaps I will be able to sporadically follow the discussion
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[pfefferle] Thanks
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[pfefferle] Sure, I hope you will find a first conclusion today!
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[miklb] The more I think about it, right now the IndieWeb plugin isn’t much more than a plugin installer. A little with h-card but think that is it.
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snarfed [miklb]: yup. and once the webmention and semantic linkbacks plugins merge (ahem GWG :P), it's even less important
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[miklb] One of the biggest pain points for a new user is understanding what everything does and what they should install. Seems two camps - install all the plugins or trying and figure each one out.
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[miklb] I could see merging the uf2 plugin and semantic linkbacks into the IW plugin so the webmention plugin could stay just the protocol. If a theme supports mf2, then the IW plugin ignores outputting mf2. However, if someone doesn’t realize they *need* mf2 basic support is there out of the box.
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[miklb] And then the IW plugin could be the gate keeper because it would be a useful plugin for everyone to have installed, rather than just a wrapper.
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[miklb] pfefferle is who will make the call if, when and where semantic-linkbacks is merged, not GWG
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snarfed understood
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snarfed i don't have a strong opinion on whether we have a bundle installer plugin or not, or on which plugins we recommend
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snarfed i do know that we'll have users with all possible combinations of plugins, regardless of whether we bless any one "true source mf2 plugin"
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snarfed ...which is why i'd vote against requiring a single "true source" plugin, and instead make all plugins/themes able to cooperate via hooks and filters
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snarfed (guess i jumped the gun on the mgt :P)
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[miklb] I’m basing a lot of this from observations of users who have come into the channel confused and looking for help, and wondering how many more never found the answers. I’d love to limit how much needs to be installed to get a new user up and running with webmentions
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snarfed agreed! merging is the single biggest thing we can do there imho
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GWG Be right with you
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[miklb] maybe what I’m discussing isn’t really the same issue as how to interoperate between plugins and themes though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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snarfed yeah probably not :P
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snarfed ok all, https://talky.io/indieweb-wordpress
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[miklb] ok, let me move somewhere I can talk. brb
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GWG Reading up
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GWG up to date
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GWG I didn't know this was a voice meeting
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GWG I may have to find someplace quiet
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GWG I am in a public place
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GWG I don't know if I can turn on audio
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GWG Can we do this in here, or is that an issue?
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snarfed GWG: we can if we have to. voice is way better though. any chance you can find somewhere?
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GWG I will see. We're pretty crowded here. Give me a minute or two
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snarfed talking in public places is often fine, just mute when you're not talking
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snarfed ok we're starting. we'll transcribe into slack. i'll start.
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snarfed two topics: 1) how should plugins/themes interoperate on mf2, 2) how should we recommend new wp users get going
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snarfed currently discussing https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-uf2/issues/30#issuecomment-312375228
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Loqi [kraftbj] I apologize for the delay. Headed out of town for a vacation next week so trying to get everything at work packaged up. I meant to draw a diagram of how this all fits together. If I'm not making sense after this comment, I'll do that for when I'm bac...
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[miklb] discussing now if how we could merge any plugins. My proposal is merging semantic linkbacks, syndication links, uf2 into the main IndieWeb plugin. GWG brought up that the bridgy plugin could easily be part of the IW plugin.
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snarfed https://snarfed.org/2018-01-02_bridgy-stats-update-3
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] Bridgy stats update https://snarfed.org/bridgy_stats/2018/costs_vs_users_thumb.png
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snarfed (^ data for 1M webmentions)
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[miklb] as a wrap up, my understanding is that this approach https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-uf2/issues/30#issuecomment-312375228 will be adopted and snarfed will implement 1st in micropub
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Loqi [kraftbj] I apologize for the delay. Headed out of town for a vacation next week so trying to get everything at work packaged up. I meant to draw a diagram of how this all fits together. If I'm not making sense after this comment, I'll do that for when I'm bac...
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[miklb] from the user standpoint, we discussed how we can better merge/bundle the base plugins necessary for basic IW experience. kraftbj suggested looking at the install numbers on wp.org for the IW plugins to get an idea of what plugins are most active to start with as candidates for merge/bundling. With a longer term goal of sketching out UI and workflow for a wizard to help users get up and running with the least painless UX
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snarfed yes! i updated https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-uf2/issues/30#issuecomment-356100059
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Loqi [snarfed] woo! [we all met today](https://chat.indieweb.org/wordpress/2018-01-08#t1515434882982000) and agreed to try out this proposal: https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-uf2/issues/30#issuecomment-312375228 . i'll do a first pass at it in the micropub plu...
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