#wordpress 2018-04-16

2018-04-16 UTC
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GWG Hi, [miklb]
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[miklb] evening
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GWG How goes it?
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[miklb] goes well. Yourself?
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GWG Had a productive few days
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GWG Want to continue the streak.
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GWG [miklb]: Can I pick your brain about an idea?
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[miklb] sure
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GWG I am thinking of writing a POSSE plugin that is just the UI. To dovetail with the Micropub syndication targets.
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[miklb] OK. I assume this further’s the discussions we’ve had about Gutenberg
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[miklb] If it were me creating something like that, I’d do it as a front end page. Bypass logging into /wp-admin all together.
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[miklb] somehow utilize indieauth for that
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GWG [miklb]: Well, the idea would be basically the checkboxes I have in Bridgy Publish.
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GWG So, it would handle the mid-logic, and the front-end UI. Which will be the Classic Editor, and maybe someday Gutenberg.
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GWG But, it will match up with the Micropub triggers.
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[miklb] hmm. In that case I’d ask myself is what I’m attempting to build going to be a better experience than the current classic editor on my phone.
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GWG Well, there will be a Micropub part...which will handle the logic from Micropub to POSSE
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GWG Basically, this is a POSSE Switchboard.
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[miklb] now I’m confused. I don’t follow what you mean by switchboard
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[miklb] oh, wait. Yeah, I was totally off base on what you were talking about. You mean something to replace the bridgy publish box so other targets can be added?
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GWG [miklb]: Yes.
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[miklb] yes, that makes sense
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[miklb] You had mentioned maybe writing a micropub client inside WP and that’s where I thought you were going. Sorry.
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GWG Basically, it would allow the addition of integrations.
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GWG No. Different problem
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www.boffosocko.com edited /Wordpress_IndieAuth_Plugin (+41) "fixed redlinks; IndieAuth camel case; link to rel-me; see also links" (view diff)
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[miklb] though I do like the idea now of having a clean micropub client outside the admin for quick publishing.
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GWG I'm not giving that up
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GWG I just need more syndication support
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[miklb] Micropub Switchboard might be a good name for the syndicate-to plugin 🙂
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GWG Switchboard is the name of aaronpk's websub hub
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[miklb] I’m assuming Bridgy Publish would just hook into the new plugin
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[miklb] Sure, but a WP plugin called Micropub Switchboard wouldn’t be a conflict or confuse the two IMO
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[miklb] but naming things is hard™
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GWG I might rewrite Bridgy Publish or deprecate it
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[miklb] the whole plugin?
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[miklb] that seems like a big thing
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GWG I haven't decided yet
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GWG Nutt is too obscure a name for a switchboard app, right?
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[miklb] I don’t get the reference
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GWG Emma Nutt was the first female telephone switchboard operator.
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aaronpk please don't call it switchboard haha
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GWG aaronpk: Any ideas?
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GWG I want a plugin that connects the posting method with the POSSE method
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GWG Maybe a POSSE reference.
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GWG Hmm...
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GWG How about I call it POSSE Comitatus?
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GWG I have to name something after this thing... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hush-A-Phone
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GWG I could call it Ziv
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GWG Ziv was the father of television first run syndication.
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[miklb] votes Synd
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[miklb] or some variation of syndication hub
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GWG I already have something called Syndication Links
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GWG SynCity?
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GWG Syndic?
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GWG I think I will go with Syndic
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jeremycherfas People in the micro.blog Slack are wondering about how to get replies on mb, to posts originally in WP, to show up back at their canonical WP site. I'm don't know enough about the ins and outs of WP to be able to offer any insights, but if anyone here has any ideas, I'm sure they would welcome that.
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GWG Should I join the Slack?
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jeremycherfas I honestly don't know. Do you want to get involved?
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GWG I am happy to help if I can
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jeremycherfas Then if you have time, I suggest you do join the Slack. Hang on and I'll find you a link.
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jeremycherfas https://microblogging.slack.com/archives/C3TMLHTL2/p1523835396000085 seems top be the most recent expression
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GWG How do I get an account?
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jeremycherfas Are you in Slack spaces?
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jeremycherfas Any Slack spaces
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GWG Nevermind, found the invite form
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sknebel If I remembe right what I've seen markup wise on micro.blog, having the wordpress blog setup to receive comments over webmentions should be enough
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jeremycherfas If that's true then I think it would be very helpful if someone more knoeledgeable than me on WP were there to help them out.
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GWG I need to ask Manton some questions though.
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jeremycherfas I'm sure he'd be happy to help you help him.
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GWG We've met. He bought me milk
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jeremycherfas Kind.
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GWG I attended IWC Austin, and he organized.
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GWG But if micro.blog sends webmentions and marks up the page, it should work.
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[jgmac1106] I just signed up for Micro.blog if there are steps to take @gwg I can make a screencast using my sites as models
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GWG I just would need to simulate the situation.
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GWG So, if someone replies to a post on my site that is syndicated to micro.blog, we should see if it works natively
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GWG micro.blog picks up my feed at micro.blog/dshanske
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[jgmac1106] I am on Android. Don't know if the web experience is different for iOS users or if you need desktop to get webmentions flowing
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GWG [jgmac1106]: You shouldn't.
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GWG If you post, it generates a web page
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GWG If manton set it up to specification, it should generate a webmention
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[jgmac1106] But I need to set up micro.blog to syndicate to WP first. Yes? I have classes all day but if I can squeeze in making a tutorial for people I will.
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jeremycherfas I just replied to a post from 27 March. See whether that shows up GWG
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GWG https://david.shanske.com/2018/03/26/1847/
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Loqi [David Shanske] For a while now, my website has been able to ask the browser for its location and use that to add location to posts. The problem is it is frequently inaccurate. So, I’ve been working on allowing my website to query other information sources to find...
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GWG It did
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GWG So, what is the problem
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jeremycherfas I think the problem is that people who use WP to syndicate to MB do not know how to set up WP to receive webmentions.
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jeremycherfas I'm just going to point the Slack questioners there and suggest they figure it out with the plugins.
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[jgmac1106] [jeremycherfas] yes, that would be the issue. Thus why I am willing to use my site to make a quick screencast tutorial
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[jgmac1106] but if your plug-ins are on it will just work
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jeremycherfas Now it seems what people want is for their WP replies to end up on MB. Or maybe it isn't. Not entirely sure.
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[miklb] if they want to reply to a comment on their site from micro.blog they need to add the webmention for comments plugin afaik
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[miklb] that will send a webmention back to the originating comment
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[miklb] hmm. that seems to be deprecated. I missed something somewhere
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[miklb] apparently that is in the core webmention plugin now. huh
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[colinwalker] That’s right and works fine.
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[miklb] either way, the key is to reply directly to the comment that comes in as a webmention
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[davidmead] running into a few consistent issues recently - ownyourgram isn’t pulling instagram posts across, and swarm check-ins have ceased coming across completely 😞
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aaronpk hm, ownyourgram might need some tweaks again cause instagram keeps changing their unofficial API
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aaronpk swarm should be working fine so that might be something on the wordpress end
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aaronpk did you recently update the micropub plugin?
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[davidmead] I just updated it (and some other indieweb plugins) today [aaronpk]
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aaronpk oh i meant the indieauth plugin actually
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aaronpk you'll probably need to sign back in to any micropub apps after that update
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aaronpk GWG can confirm
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[davidmead] i haven’t been tinkering too much recently and have left stuff on auto-pilot - hence me just noticing 😉
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[xavierroy] [dshanske] Just wanted to let you know when Simple Location plugin is enabled, it sometimes sends a large placeholder image to micro.blog... see few of my posts : https://micro.blog/xavierroy
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[xavierroy] It seems to appear mostly for Instagram Pesos'ed posts
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aaronpk oh dear
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sknebel the location block is inside your e-content... and thus the image is part of the post
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aaronpk is that the simple location plugin doing that?
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[unoabraham] Right now the comments/replies are only limited to the blog author's WordPress site and Micro.Blog.
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[unoabraham] Since my WordPress content anyways shows up on my microblog, that is taken care of already.
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[unoabraham] Going the IndieWeb route, I want to post a reply on my WordPress site that will also show up as a reply/comment on the microblog as well as the blog author's WordPress site.
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[jgmac1106] Realized I needed to turn off publish to Medium as a default in their plug in as I am playing. Probably published six stories called "test"
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jeremycherfas S'OK; nobody is reading them.
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[jgmac1106] Actually even with the decline in Medium my reads there still crush my native traffic for same article
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[jgmac1106] I do wonder where all the start up porn went. All those founders pretending to busy must be writing somewhe
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GWG The location block is inside e-content for unsupported themes
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sknebel GWG: I presume because you can't reliably find a "after e-content" location?
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sknebel (that still would look good)
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sknebel looking at xavierroy's page again:
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sknebel it's interesting that the map image isn't loaded, maybe because it is from a different domain?
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sknebel other icons loaded via <svg><use xmls:xlink=.... don't show up - maybe the icon for simple-location could be loaded that way too?
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sknebel (kind of a hack, using the fact that svg's aren't treated as <img>, but would work I think)
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GWG That's the location icon.
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