#jgmac1106so [gwg] will have to decmpress and see about different post-kinds and twitter habits but it seems the best functionality (except images those always work) is to keep everything in the title if you know you will be under 280 characters. links, @mentions everything
#jgmac1106as soon as you add any body it gets truncated and only title displayes
#jgmac1106so after last nights twitter session wonering how folks feel about a status post-kind in general. It seems the best way to syndicate to twitter (as a natural tweet as possible) is put all 280 characters into the title, or you ignore the title all together and get an ugly permalink
#Loqi[Greg McVerry] No #IndieWeb WordPress work for me on Day 11. Classes start today. I will tack another day on the end. Yesterday I did get to play with a lot of the post-kind/bridgy/Twitter functionality.
#sknebelthe turning into link shouldn't be affected by title vs content
#sknebelI wonder if the post kinds plugin could set the title internally for note-like post kinds, so you get your nice slugs
#jgmac1106Known handles this in interesting way. It has a status post_kind and then if you do an article post_kind everything gets included until yiu hit charcater max and then you get truncated link
#jgmac1106yeah [sknebel] as soon as you add a title that is all Bridgy will publish to Twitter, the rest of your message goes in yoru body and you get a link. Any url in hte body must be marked up for a link to work on twitter
#GWGIt's not that simple, but it should be simpler
#[jgmac1106][gwg] Totally understand, I just need to know what happens when so I can explain it to others
#jgmac1106I may end up in a hybrid place again where I do all my tweeting from Known but still keep all my new post kinds and use syndicate those to Twitter as needed
#sknebelhm, I never noticed links in the body needed to be marked up, but I guess I never used bridgy in a case where it came up
#sknebelnotes in indieweb terminology shouldn't have titles (or rather, they are marked up with title being identical to the content), otherwise they'd be articles
#sknebelof course the question is how it is represented in wordpress: as content that also gets marked up as the title in the theme, or as title
#jgmac1106thus my thinking around a status post_kind that is nothing but title (well you could add body as option if you want a photo)
#GWGBridgy Publish relies on good mf2 which few people have on WordPress
#sknebela status should be a note IMHO, that's *the* example of what a note is
#jgmac1106yes but in WordPress>Bridgy>Twitter the title plays more nice than a note with no title
#jgmac1106but I can probably hack at the theme when I get free time
#jgmac1106but I am an edge case I doubt many are tyring to POSSE 50-60 Tweets an hour
#sknebelis it only the permalink that's not so nice? the content shouldn't be different if the microformats are correct in the theme
#sknebel(of course, in the end it counts that it works, but I'd be curious what exactly causes the problems)
#jgmac1106[sknebl] few things: A: I know this is a mf2 but compare a jetpack syndicated tweet to bridgy, I need to do that B: It needs to be fast adding a bunch of links to a note takes too long for twitter chats C: numerical permalinks look weird when syndicating to places likeLinkedIn as well as Twitter D: using just the title for a Twitter syndication works great but I need to hack at the theme so I don’t have a bunch of bla
#sknebelI guess most things fall back to content when there is no name
#GWGI suppose I could add in the p-name if it is a note.
#sknebelIt's in the examples on /note and I always had in the back of my head that checking name==content was how you identified a note. but again, not sure if it matters in practice
#sknebel(shouldn't matter for bridgy, since it just checks properties in order until it finds one, but I was curious)
#jgmac1106[gwg] I think it might be related to another issue I found and just reodering p-name and e-content
#jgmac1106<p class="p-name e-content entry-content"> I think would be correct
#[jgmac1106]then on the article the title gets p-name and the body gets e-content entry-content, Will try to write it up after classes
#[jgmac1106]its only like five of us now but I wonder if edvenutually we need a WP-DEV channel and leave this space for WordPress onboarding, not issue now, but will be a good problem to have
#sknebelthe order of classes on the same element doesn't matter
#jgmac1106And with no title the header title is blank and the body markup is <div class="entry-content e-content">No #IndieWeb WordPress work for me on Day 11. Classes start today. I will tack another day on the end. Yesterday I did get to play with a lot of the post-kind/bridgy/Twitter functionality.</div>
#jgmac1106I don’t know for sure but I think Bridgy is looking for p-name but that is speculation
#sknebelit does, it's docs explain fairly well what it does
#sknebelI might have misunderstood what you meant by "reorder"
#sknebelyes, in the second example one could turn the <div class="entry-content e-content"> into <div class="entry-content e-content p-name">
#sknebelbut it should work without it too, since bridgy looks for content too
#jgmac1106Bridgy works fine, Iam the one breaking the rules
#jgmac1106I need to turn on jetpack and try a few syndication examples but I thought jetpack stripped mf2 but that could be heresay
#jgmac1106I will take [gwg] idea and draw up and write the markup of how a “status” update could work will try to stay in the codex of a npte post kind
#jgmac1106so the archives are checking for <header class="page-header"> for the title I wonder if using function the_title( $before = '', $after = '', $echo = true ) {
#jgmac1106 $title = get_the_title();…would be better. technically thte title is not the page header. The page has a different header
#aaronpkDoes that actually work well? The problem I have right now is each photo might take another http request or two to fetch location or person information
#aaronpkso I wasn't planning on adding more to the dashboard until I made it handle each photo separately instead of all in one request
#Ruxtonsame problem, just bigger feed.. there's potentially more info in the feed I'm ignoring
#Ruxtonand if that's the case, then your problem will go away, because you can fetch from 0->ohmigodtheyblockingme
#RuxtonI got 3 years worth of my feed´ before I had to cool down
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#[Vanessa]I think I've found my next little tweak to work on. I saw somewhere in the SemPress theme that if there is no post title, it adds a number. That's not what I want. I have code to remove that title for the RSS feed, which is good. I would need something similar for a JSON feed. However, I think I would like to override that code and have it not add a title to a status. I'm assuming it ought to be possible to add something to my child them
#[Vanessa]If anyone knows that I'm trying to do something impossible, do let me know, so I don't drive myself mad. 😀
#[Vanessa]Not that I have the first idea about php, but maybe it's a way to learn...
#RuxtonThat's actually wordpress' titling causing the post ID to display when there's not title
#RuxtonIf you copy entry-header.php from sempress into your chidl theme and then remove the titles, it'll be done.. but you should probably be a bit more smart than that
#Ruxtoneg. check the post kind, and display title if it should have one
#[Vanessa]Yes, that's what I want to do - have the title display except for certain post types. Ok, thanks, something I will look into further, along the lines you mention.
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#[jgmac1106]@ruxton that would mean somebody though would need to know where to find the wiki page about post-kinds and then follow those rules. I won't follow those rules as posting just a title with no body on a note or reply actually performs way better on Twitter based on my current theme configuration