#wordpress 2018-06-21

2018-06-21 UTC
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tantek huh I thought you had added it
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tantek checks the history again
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tantek chrisaldrich: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Getting_Started_on_WordPress&diff=prev&oldid=29923 and https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Getting_Started_on_WordPress&diff=next&oldid=31739 ?
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tantek chrisaldrich, agreed with you that "Indiemark is a better structural framework for those building sites from the metal up", maybe we can do some rethinking during IWS
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tantek sounds like we are at least agreed that "future revisions could leave it out for jargon reasons" so we can revert the structure of /Getting_Started_on_WordPress to something more like this version: https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Getting_Started_on_WordPress&oldid=29827
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tantek curious what other folks think who have thought about how to better/best present "Getting Started on WordPress". (GWG, jgmac1106, miklb?)
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jgmac1106 I would drop the “for-beginners” from this: https://indieweb.org/User:Jgregorymcverry.com/getting-started-with-WordPress-for-beginners and then have another page for theme developers. As I said we are hoping to huddle together at Summit and think about all the pages. In the end the pages build into the plugins and the “more details” page on wp.org matter more IMO
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tantek there's still an important distinction between "new to IndieWeb" (but longtime WordPress user, of which there are many), and "new to IndieWeb" (and never had a site, but has heard good things about WordPress, has friends that use it, etc.)
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tantek both are beginners of a sort, but need very different tutorials
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jgmac1106 Feel that. Been a Wordpress user for seven years and still can’t figure this stuff out sometimes.
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tantek I'd almost rather focus on that crowd first (or more importantly) for IndieWeb WordPress tutorials, than the *complete* beginner, who I think would do better to start with a much simpler (easier to learn, maintain) GitHub static site with free domain hosting.
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tantek We've had good luck with helping complete beginners setup such GitHub static sites during IWCs and then even just occasionally update them. Whereas such beginners who end up setting up WordPress either get frustrated from the complexity, or give up and their site is taken over because they forgot to click something (or just login etc.) for an "automated" security update.
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tantek I'm open to hearing counter-examples (of either) since that's just personal anecdata.
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[chrisaldrich] the nice problem we've got is that the WP pages should have relative outlines for the first three generations... it's definitely something I've been thinking about.
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jgmac1106 Been writing that page using the limited data I have from my user story interviews and my own learniings as the chatroom helps me
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jgmac1106 [chrisaldrich] +1 to determining common text structure before just editing
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jgmac1106 off to put my oldest to bed and then see if I get more than n=1 tonight
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[chrisaldrich] jgmac1106, I've been breaking that long 2 hour WP for IndieWeb video down into constituent parts: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUkDy-CP92u1r54VkKzN0Pty5jtTQcr9H
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jgmac1106 perfect, that will matter a ton.
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[chrisaldrich] Hopefully I'll figure out how to lay out the downloading, activating, settings, and use of the fleet of common plugins soon.
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jgmac1106 Still want to iterate that the gettign started page in Indieweb plugin, plus the “more details” pages of each plugin important and in bes world would simply match that plugin description page on wiki
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tantek no objections to reverting to the pre-IndieMark structure then to at least get a quick incremental improvement?
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[jgmac1106] yes delete indiemark, confuses everyone. i still don't even know what it really is
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tantek jgmac1106: well that's worth a good Q&A then perhaps in person Sunday night! Maybe we can even record it podcast style since GWG and chrisaldrich seem to be having so much fun with that format
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tantek what is IndieMark
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Loqi IndieMark is a set of metrics for measuring the indieweb-ness of a site, and a step-by-step approach to incrementally adopting indieweb features on your site https://indieweb.org/IndieMark
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GWG That would be fun
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GWG tantek: Are you having fun with it though?
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tantek with your podcasts? absolutely. they always make me smile and happy to hear from you both.
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jgmac1106 I probably won’t get in early enough on Sunday. Land at 8:01
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GWG I get in at 9, at the train station
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GWG So, if 8 is too late
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jgmac1106 though I think [gwg] and [chrisaldrich] go to bed at 4;00am and [tantek] gets up at [3 am] so it could work
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GWG Re the podcast, I enjoy talking about the Indieweb and chrisaldrich is good company
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GWG I act like I am talking to him and we just record that
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jgmac1106 then it is on, be fun. The podcast been hugely helpful to the community as well.
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jgmac1106 “I act like I am talking to him and we just record that” defining a good podcast
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GWG I have a digital recorder in my bag
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GWG I should have said just him, as opposed to an entire audience
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jgmac1106 still definition of good podcast its not broadcast, we want the convo
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GWG Well, I will not have the usual fancy equipment, but I have a nice digital recorder
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jgmac1106 I podcast straight to vinyl
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GWG Fun
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GWG 33, 45, or 78?
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jgmac1106 78 that I play at 45 to sound like the Chipmunks
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jgmac1106 [gwg] sometimes you just need to ask and people will simply help: https://jgregorymcverry.com/3712-2/
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Loqi Wow! That is amazing to hear. I was just going through the plug-in in the #WordPress repo trying to figure out how you do a “PR” or if I should just fork the plugin. This is even cooler! If the team has questions stop by the microformats chat htt...
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[miklb] morning
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Loqi rise and shine!
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[jgmac1106] I don't Instagram but does anyone OYG and WordPress and have an example I can share?
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jgmac1106 I just got bombarded with anonymous webmentiosn but they were all from myself from over the last month or so.
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GWG What features are those?
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[jgmac1106] The ol ul of highlighted areas adding hyperlinks sometimes. I like you live in the text editor but was checking out the other side in case my students use your theme
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[jgmac1106] Can file issues, there are a few I noticed
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GWG You'll have to show me, I don't write posts in the text editor
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GWG I use the rich editor
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[jgmac1106] Will send a few gifs when I get a chance. I was talking about issues in rich editor.
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tantek__ just got this error from trying to publish a post on a wordpress: Fatal error: Uncaught exception 'DefensioConnectionError' with message 'Impossible to open socket to api.defensio.com:80'
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tantek__ is anyone using defensio anymore or should I just disable it?
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tantek__ the post was published no problem. I don't understand what an anti-spam plugin would have to be doing in the process of publishing a post.
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[miklb] I’ve not heard of defensio being used in years
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tantek__ thanks miklb, just deactivated it
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gRegorLove Not updated in 7 years or tested with recent versions. wordpress.org has a warning about that: https://wordpress.org/plugins/defensio-anti-spam/
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Loqi [Websense, Inc.] Description Defensio is an advanced spam filtering web service that learns and adapts to your behaviors and those of your users. In addition to simple spam filtering, we also provide world-class malicious content detection, profanity filtering, UR...
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[miklb] I meant the service. I used it with Habari years ago, but didn’t know they were still around.
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aaronpk looks like the domain is down?
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