#wordpress 2018-06-22
2018-06-22 UTC
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[wiobyrne] My current plan is to spend about 45 minutes playing with Hypothesis and my breadcrumbs site to unpack Chris's response. After that it's newsletter and emails. I don't want to just have a page full of Hypothesis annotations on my site. No one will read it...and more importantly...I won't use hypothesis. 🙂
# [wiobyrne] But, if I'm actively using the tool to annotate, and immediately fold those into my bookmark posts...I'll do it...and add some context to my bookmarks. But, annotating, sharing, grabbing that share URL and pasting into the bookmark post seems a bit tedious.
# [wiobyrne] ...exactly. That's the secret science for me. But, first, I need to think about what he did and make it make sense in my own head...and then figure out how to do it...
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jgmac1106 hold the phones: http://jonudell.net/h/facet.html?facet=any
# jgmac1106 blog post tutorial: https://web.hypothes.is/blog/viewing-and-exporting-hypothesis-annotations/
# [wiobyrne] So you could annotate a page, plug the URL, grab the HTML, copy/paste...and then I could go back in and add my commentary to the bookmark post?
# [wiobyrne] Yeah, if I take that HTML, copy/paste into the post...I can then go back into the copy/pasted annotations and clean out what I don't want, and add commentary.
# [wiobyrne] Right now, in my bookmark posts, I'm copy/pasting anyway. There's tons of times that Hypothesis gets in the way. I could just use Hypothesis, tag it, and bring all of that over to the bookmark post.
# [wiobyrne] Yeah, I'm on it. This has me really excited.
# [wiobyrne] What's the difference?
# [wiobyrne] I post everything as a Bookmark on Breadcrumbs for now. Looking to expand/correct.
# jgmac1106 like everything philosophy and markup but in the end you do what ever you want with your workflow: https://indieweb.org/read
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# [wiobyrne] Got it...so when I inject any sort of commentary...it's a Read. But, if I save, copy/paste some Hypothesis/quotes...it can be a Bookmark...for me.
# [wiobyrne] And I'll have a read on top of a read. Are we approaching the singularity? Or is it the sound of "one hand clapping"?
# jgmac1106 no because bookmark does have slightly different but similar markup: https://indieweb.org/bookmark
# jgmac1106 I ended up setting up a different bookmark site just by itself: https://bookmarks.jgregorymcverry.com/
# jgmac1106 My decision to make by July is whether I am going to use Known (your breadcrumbs) and WordPress longform or one WordPress for all [chrisaldrich]. I think it may boil down to what do I think will be harder, teaching students to use an FTP client or answering questions about IndieWeb WordPress. [miklb] though has some awesome ideas and we are gonna bang away on some WordPress thinking in #pdx for sure. Let me know if yout
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# [wiobyrne] Morning!
# [jgmac1106] I know when you get it in, just tell us, where are you now?
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# [jgmac1106] [wiobyrne] I just downloaded the html file and I think I can add the h-entry and then do a find a replace for other mf2 such as h-cite. Offline this would be really easy me thinks and I bet we can find help on how to build something to do it online.
# [wiobyrne] I'm trying to copy/paste the html into Wordpress as we speak, and I'm giving up. It'll look messy...but it'll be there.
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# [wiobyrne] Not as bad as I thought...not as nice as I would like. https://breadcrumbs.wiobyrne.com/chris-aldrich-response-to-interviewing-my-digital-domains/
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# [jgmac1106] I think you did awesome!
# [jgmac1106] https://gist.github.com/jgmac1106/bf5fab6768375620204c45f894fa090b is the html for one annotation we could see where the mf2 needs to go, would have to get examples of annotations with replies, with images and with videos,
# [wiobyrne] As I said in the video...and this post. I think it's a breakthrough (at least for me). The process could be a bit simpler, and make the post look a bit cleaner. But...I'm excited.
# [wiobyrne] I ignored the HTML download and copy/pasted specific annotations from Chris and copy/pasted that in.
# [wiobyrne] A quick reply post turned into a two hour project. 🙂
# [jgmac1106] Kris hasn't updated this plugin in a bit but it could be a good starting point: https://github.com/kshaffer/hypothesis_aggregator though looking at the output it only dsplays basic streams so you wouldn't be able to add commentary as easily
# [wiobyrne] Yeah, I saw that. I like the ability to pull a page, limit as you see fit, and get an output of those annotations. ...with the ability to go in and add annotations/context.
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# [wiobyrne] Hypothesis is rolling along. It was only a couple of years ago I asked Jeremy for the ability to pull out and share individual annotations out like tweets. But, the ability to share like that, mixed in with IFTTT or some better connection to indieweb would be awesome.
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[chrisaldrich] [wiobyrne] [jgmac1106] Catching up on your work this morning. I'd written a post a while back about how I differentiate between bookmarks, reads, likes, etc. which may or may not help you in how you decide to differentiate: https://boffosocko.com/2018/03/10/thoughts-on-linkblogs-bookmarks-reads-likes-favorites-follows-and-related-links/
# [chrisaldrich] I often think about it as a hierarchy of how I value/interact with a piece of content.
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