#wordpress 2018-08-17

2018-08-17 UTC
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miklb
all these years and I'm back to IRC in Irssi
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Loqi
miklb: GWG left you a message 2 hours, 3 minutes ago: I feel like I am adding to your frustration
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miklb
!tell GWG nope. Just if I'm going to need to dig into the IW plumbing, I'm not sure WP is where I wantto spend my time
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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GWG
I really hope not
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miklb
I'm not particularly fond of the sideloading decision, but that wasn't my call. I'd prefer to have ability to have semantic markup
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[jgmac1106]
hmmmm I might recall saying...well if your are gonna build a PWA...why would you use WordPress
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dougbeal
What is sideloading
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "sideloading" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "sideloading is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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GWG
Which sideloading decision?
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[jgmac1106]
I didn't see a faster solution to rel+alternative...even it breaks every basic rule we believe in of keeping in HTML
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miklb
the mf2-feed is what I'm referring to
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GWG
It's a compromise
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dougbeal
Is rss a sideload as well?
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miklb
compromise by who? 2 people?
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[jgmac1106]
you can still use a theme with proper semantic markup...but if you can't quit your theme...it was actually a long conversation across many channels, search chat for rel=alternative
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miklb
but anyway, I'm not blaming anyone for my woes. I've been doing this for going on 14 years
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miklb
I'm not intertested in grepping IRC logs to find when the decision was made. Not that important to me.
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jgmac1106
did the wp-rig follks ever get back to you [miklb] or respond to the issue you opened
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miklb
I closed the issue. I couldn't get any traction as to what we need to change in core to make it easier, an the mf2-feed was already in discussion.
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jgmac1106
at least you tried, thx.
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[chrisaldrich]
[miklb] I viewed the rel-alternate "compromise" as a temporary stopgap/side file solution for the interim. While it will open up things to be more accessible to the less technical, it shouldn't be a permanent solution to themes properly executing proper markup.
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[chrisaldrich]
Perhaps a quick solution to a much more difficult and intractable problem, particularly given the repeated responses of folks from core as well as many "starter" themes who have generally not well understood the problem.
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[chrisaldrich]
For the tape, and those interested in the history of the rel-alternate conversations, I bookmarked some of them in this post: https://boffosocko.com/2018/08/10/reply-to-curtis-mchale-and-david-wolfpaw-on-rel-alternate/
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aaronpk
There was no “decision” one way or the other
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[asuh]
I was just about to report that my upgrade micropub head links are broken but GWG is on it!
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GWG
[asuh]: I am?
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GWG
How so?
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[asuh]
I saw the PR
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GWG
[asuh]: Oh, the README
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[asuh]
GWG I might add that I think some namespace issues are still present
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[asuh]
or maybe it’s WP structure info
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GWG
What namespace issues are you referring to?
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[asuh]
It’s rendering an invalid link <link rel=“micropub” href=“https://www.asuh.com/wp/?micropub=endpoint” />
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[asuh]
I’m trying to determine if that is just me missing a plugin
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GWG
[asuh]: It is an invalid link in the new version. The endpoint link changed.
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[asuh]
What’s the fix?
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GWG
[asuh]: You didn't manually add that link to your site, did you?
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[asuh]
correct, this is added to wp_head
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GWG
[asuh]: The plugin automatically adds the link. You shouldn't need to add it yourself.
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[asuh]
You’re right, I’m not adding it manually. The plugin added the link element above
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GWG
The new one will add it in a new place
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GWG
Yes
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[asuh]
After upgrading, inside the micropub plugin directory, I see micropub.php, push.sh, readme.txt and /templates
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GWG
Although that is more because it needs to be called something
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[asuh]
am i missing directories? /includes?
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GWG
Yes? What about /includes
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GWG
Yes
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[asuh]
doesn’t exist
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GWG
How are you upgrading?
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[asuh]
Dashboard
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[asuh]
via official WP channel
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[asuh]
used the upgrade page and everything all at once
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[asuh]
this was one of a few
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GWG
It hasn't been released yet
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GWG
2.0 is still in development
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[asuh]
right, I’m still on the latest stable
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GWG
So the link won't change until you upgrade
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[asuh]
I believe I upgraded from 1.4.2 to 1.4.3 from within the Dashboard upgrades page
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GWG
Yes
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[asuh]
and the /includes dir is missing
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GWG
It should be
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GWG
It didn't exist in 1.4.3
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[asuh]
ahhh ok, so it’s new to 2.0, gotcha
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[asuh]
excellent
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GWG
One of the changes was moving to split functionality into separate files from one big one.
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[asuh]
always a great idea
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GWG
It also moves to better integrate with the WordPress systems
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GWG
And adds a media endpoint
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[asuh]
ETA for 2.0 release?
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GWG
Hopefully it makes things work better in future and easier to maintain
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GWG
Soon, looking for beta testers
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GWG
Fixing some longstanding bugs.
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[asuh]
I’d be happy to with whatever spare time I have. Been struggling for that last few months
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GWG
Trying to find why some people are having authentication trouble.
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[asuh]
Would it be possible to enumerate a list of tasks when testing Micropub in issue 150 on the repo?
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aaronpk
GWG: this is why I was trying to list out all the combinations of uses of the plugin. I've learned of a few new ones since then too, like having wordpress installed in a subfolder but having the URLs at the root
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GWG
Added a note, Asuh
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aaronpk
We really need a list of all the different ways people try to use it, so that either one person can run through the whole list or at least we can ask people for specific help
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GWG
aaronpk, I didn't realize that one either
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GWG
I have to figure out how to make such a list so I can better help people like miklb who is having issues
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[asuh]
aaronpk yes, that would help me contribute to this. A list of 3-5 tasks, sites or services to test against
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GWG
The Endpoint passes the Micropub.rocks tests
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GWG
People usually use Quill
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aaronpk
In what configuration tho
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GWG
But it isn't the only one
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aaronpk
Because there are like 6 different ways this plugin gets used
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GWG
aaronpk, with and without IndieAuth
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aaronpk
webjust need a list of all of them, and then list out all the things to test in each
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GWG
I will think on how to do the
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GWG
that
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aaronpk
With and without IndieAuth plugin, in a subfolder and not, as a multi user site and as a single user site, and the permutations of each of those
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GWG
IndieAuth needs to try some of those in unit tests
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GWG
Single and multi user
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aaronpk
Oh subfolder has three states: root domain install, subfolder install served from root, subfolder install served from subfolder
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aaronpk
So that is 2*3*2 different ways this can be installed
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GWG
I tried to convince them to put IndieAuth into WordPress
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aaronpk
Before or after I wrote my "OAuth for the Open Web" blog post?
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GWG
After
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GWG
The author of that post said he thought they wanted a vanilla OAuth2 implementation
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aaronpk
Put me in front of the people who are talking about that and I will try to make the case
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GWG
I sent them your article
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GWG
But they are looking for a leader
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GWG
If I thought they'd listen I'd do it
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aaronpk
I would volunteer for that
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aaronpk
There really isn't a way to do OAuth in wordpress that makes sense in any way other than IndieAuth
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GWG
I shared the post where they call for it a moment ago
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GWG
Not sure if you want to own the vision
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aaronpk
"we are opening a call for a lead contributor to the REST API authentication plugins" but there is no info on how to do that
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aaronpk
Who do I contact?
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GWG
Visit the core-restao
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GWG
API slack channel
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aaronpk
tbh I think IndieAuth needs a more technical name before they would take it seriously but I don't even care about the name at this point
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GWG
Also, there's a mostly working implementation
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GWG
And unlike the OAuth2 incomplete one, it's 5.2 compatible with minimal changes
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aaronpk
lol googling wordpress api slack is not helpful
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GWG
WordPress slack
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GWG
core-restapi channel
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aaronpk
Found it
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aaronpk
they do the trick we used to do for ours, creating an email forward at a domain they own
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GWG
I am off for now. Good luck
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aaronpk
Me too
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MetBril
How can I manually create a token with the IndieAuth plugin for use with the Icro app?
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MetBril
It doesn't let me login properly but I need to manually enter a token.
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MetBril
Who is tbbrown
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[mrkrndvs]
I know I have been a bit quiet lately, sorry, but can anyone tell me, have webmentions stopped sending through from Twitter?
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[mrkrndvs]
I can answer it myself. For some reason the various types had become unticked and Bridgy had not checked for five days. Fixed now, sorry all.
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[asuh]
Is going from Micropub 1.4.3 to 2.0 as simple as overwriting directory in plugin with Tree version from Github repo? Not seeing any visual changes between the two yet. Will refer back later for further updates
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[metbril]
!tell GWG I found something weird with the post kinds plugin. My site's main language is Dutch. If my user language is 'site default' the plugin doesn't show up in the list of installed and I don't see the settings. If I set my user language to 'English', the plugin and settings are back.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[metbril]
[aaronpk] a more technical name for IndieAuth could be WebAuth, more or less in line with a WebMention, WebSub, etc.
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[metbril]
!tell GWG And by disabling Loco Translate, the plugin showed again. No other plugins have this. 🤔
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[pfefferle]
!tell [aaronpk] I have some questions regarding your ActivityPub implementation: Is your Outbox functional? if so, how can I request your posts? Which of your blogs feeds does mastodon use for the timeline and how does the autodiscovery work? How do you optimize your blogposts for Mastodon?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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aaronpk
GWG: good news, I installed the indieauth plugin on a new wordpress and hooked it up to my Lasso auth proxy and it worked great
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GWG
aaronpk, great
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Loqi
GWG: [metbril] left you a message 5 hours, 20 minutes ago: I found something weird with the post kinds plugin. My site's main language is Dutch. If my user language is 'site default' the plugin doesn't show up in the list of installed and I don't see the settings. If I set my user language to 'English', the plugin and settings are back.
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Loqi
GWG: [metbril] left you a message 5 hours, 9 minutes ago: And by disabling Loco Translate, the plugin showed again. No other plugins have this. 🤔
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GWG
I still want to figure out why some people are having trouble
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GWG
jgmac1106, issues with podcasting?
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aaronpk
Start by going thru all the combinations I listed last night and test them all
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GWG
I am prepping to set something up
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jgmac1106
[gwg] no, just tried to copy what wordpress says is a podcast feed but it isn’t
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jgmac1106
my feed works as a podcast feed, but was hoping featured image got pulled for album art
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GWG
I need to try fixing that
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GWG
Featured image for the post or the feed?
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jgmac1106
that works in any podcast reader but no album art
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GWG
jgmac1106 I have the same problem. I thought I had fixed it
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jgmac1106
the plugin @aaron shared is nice…but its one more plugin and the basic rss works
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GWG
I have something in my theme that is supposed to show the icon
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jgmac1106
the double audo file on upload is the more critical bug
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GWG
And was using that term meta featured image plugin
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jgmac1106
so “meta featured image plugin” is what you added for album art
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GWG
I think so
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GWG
I forget the name
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GWG
John Jacoby wrote it
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GWG
I really want to finish the Micropub job so I can give Post Kinds some love
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[xavierroy]
Wp-term-icon
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GWG
Term image, not icon
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GWG
He has two of them
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GWG
One for icons one for images
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Loqi
[John James Jacoby] Description Images for categories, tags, and other taxonomy terms WP Term Images allows users to assign images to any visible category, tag, or taxonomy term using the media library, providing a customized look for their taxonomies. Dependencies Not...
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[xavierroy]
Yes. I get confused with those since I have both installed 😀
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GWG
That's the one
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GWG
I amended my theme to add that to the RSS, but still not working right
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jgmac1106
will play, thanks a;;
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GWG
Any chance I could turn either of you into beta testers?
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Loqi
[dshanske] #150 Release Version 2.0 of Micropub plugin
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jgmac1106
Sure [gwg] do you want it on a clean install or use my current site, i have one for each indieweb theme, and a few generic
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GWG
Either or both. Can you post with it?
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GWG
I want to identify any problems
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GWG
If I get enough user success, I will publish it.
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GWG
Would like to troubleshoot the ones who can't
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GWG
I am excited for people to use it, though you shouldn't see a significant difference.
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[jgmac1106]
what is the link to the webmention endpoint: ceouimet.com/
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[jgmac1106]
need to verify if my students aren't setting up webmentions correctly or if the manual box doesn't appear in Independent Publisher
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jgmac1106
[gwg] sorry no beta testing for me…the full grant package is due today so i am under serious time constraints….up side if I get the grant its 1.4 million dollars to bring #IndieWeb to schools
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GWG
No problem
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jgmac1106
[miklb] when this grant is in and this class is over (both this weekend.yesssss) we could talk and see if we could get together a team to mantain Indpendent Publisher…I know you hate just three themes as much as a side-file but folks like the theme and there are four-five people with real skills (not like me) who have volunteered to help
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GWG
i just added Last Accessed to the IndieAuth token management table
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GWG
Makes it look official
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dougbeal
GWG: just had a successful PESOS from swarm w/photo!
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dougbeal
GWG: does have duplicated photo, though. What version tries to fix that?
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GWG
dougbeal, display is Post Kinds
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