#wordpress 2018-08-18

2018-08-18 UTC
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[jgmac1106] [acegiak] the new plugin uses rel="alternative" and kind of skips the theme itself
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acegiak just updates whisperfollow to display in the backend rather than in the frontend like a weirdo
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jgmac1106 weird there is no where to play the audio on the podcast episode
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jgmac1106 http://jgregorymcverry.com/podcast/feedback-loops-and-gamification/
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jgmac1106 I guess I have to manually add the file to the body of the post
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: How is the Micropub github master working for you?
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[jgmac1106] keep bumping into plugins and theme features that share urls from http and not https
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GWG [jgmac1106]: Example?
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[jgmac1106] not your theme but look at the url the podcasting app generates http://jgregorymcverry.com/series/2toponder/
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[jgmac1106] happens to me sometimes on file uploads, will try to document
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GWG [jgmac1106]: Auto-rewrite URLs sounds like a great plugin for WordPress
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jgmac1106 hypothetical or real plug-in?
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[chrisaldrich] I've seen a few spurious errors, but have noticed it seems like more micropub clients seem to work now... I need to file some of the things I've run across as errors. Hopefully will have some time this morening to continue on...
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[chrisaldrich] I've been running on a test server. I think I'll put it on my production site today.
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GWG I think we keep knocking them down
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[chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] the manual endpoint from your question earlier is here: http://ceouimet.com/wp-json/webmention/1.0/endpoint
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jgmac1106 thx
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jgmac1106 I need to go poke around her thme. Cheri says she doesn’;t even see the box to add the manual webmention form field, but that makes no sense
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[chrisaldrich] iirc some of [jackjamieson]'s early work with Yarns was built on acegiak's work on WisperFollow. It's so exciting to see how far things have come in such a relatively short amount of time
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[chrisaldrich] I know there were some issues in which JetPack was completely taking over the rendering of the comments section output that were causing problems with that manual webmention form field, but I think they fixed it 6+ months ago.
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[chrisaldrich] https://github.com/Automattic/jetpack/issues/7357
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Loqi [chrisaldrich] #7357 Comments: Removes all actions on comment_form_after
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GWG He also used my parser, so he has some feedback
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aaronpk GWG: acegiak brings up a good question... is there a way that other plugins can take advantage of the indieauth plugin already having verified the access token?
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GWG aaronpk, easily. I should add that to the readme
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aaronpk that's great!
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GWG You just ask for the current user at the least
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aaronpk and getting the scope of the token somehow?
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GWG There's a filter for that, but I will add a function
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GWG A global function
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aaronpk awesome
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aaronpk that means writing for example a microsub server plugin doesn't have to deal with any of the back and forth of the authorization flow
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acegiak That would be amazing
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GWG Yarn already works with it
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GWG acegiak, will have a PR before the day is out
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acegiak Great, quotable example!
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GWG Need a reviewer though
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GWG pfefferle is usually mine
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acegiak I should not review code. You've seen what my code looks like
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GWG yarn uses a lot of code from other indieweb plugins
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Loqi yea
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GWG I consider it a validation of the work we've all done
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GWG But having someone look over PRs is a good move for stability
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GWG But the less technical people using WordPress can't troubleshoot to the degree others might
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[stefp] Still trying to work out why the Indieauth plugin won’t work for me
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GWG How can I help you troubleshoot?
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[stefp] there are no errors in the debug log but an error appears in the cPanel log when I try to use it
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GWG What does it say?
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[stefp] they all look like this…
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[stefp] 2018-08-18 14:44:25.707496 [INFO] [82.34.95.106:50457:HTTP2-75] File not found [/home/stephenp/public_html/403.shtml]
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GWG That I cannot explain. It seems unrelated
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GWG It seems like the server is redirecting failures
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GWG Who is the provider?
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[stefp] Krystal Hosting in the UK
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[stefp] I asked them if any changes had been made but they said no
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[stefp] the plugin worked perfectly and then stopped
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GWG Strange.
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GWG Do you remember what version it failed at?
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[stefp] the last one I can use is 2.1.1
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[stefp] it works with github etc
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[stefp] just wont work with my own site
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GWG GitHub? IndieAuth doesn't require GitHub.
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[stefp] doesn’t this older version use the rel=me links to authorise?
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GWG Not since before 2.0, when it used IndieAuth.com
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[stefp] 2.1.1 still has a setting for Indieauth.com
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[stefp] It’s the built in endpoint that won’t work
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GWG Yes, we took it out due confusion. Disabling the plugin makes it use IndieAuth.com when you use Micropub
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[stefp] I see
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[stefp] It’s strange that the built in endpoint worked and then just stopped
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GWG That is what I am curious about.
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GWG We made changes to address people's issues, but I wonder what happened.
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GWG aaronpk suggested we make a list of different configurations
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[stefp] sounds like a good idea
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[stefp] I’ll keep using indieauth.com in the meantime
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aaronpk [stefp]: what in particular is failing?
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GWG That's fine. It's there for a reason.
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GWG I'd like to fix it if I can
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GWG Silent failure
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aaronpk at what point?
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aaronpk is it the missing authorization header again?
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[stefp] I only get a 403 forbidden error
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[stefp] no other details
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GWG The new PR does a header check if WP_DEBUG is enabled. Waiting for merge
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[stefp] I have have a second Wordpress site I’m trying on a new dedicated WP hosting setup with Krystal
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[stefp] I just tested the plugin there and it’s working
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GWG Strange. How are you checking?
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[stefp] it’s a brand new installation with only Micropub and Indieauth installed
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GWG I meant, are you using a Micropub client?
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aaronpk Is that an error visible from an app like Quill? Or is this error happening while you're trying to log in somewhere?
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[stefp] sorry I logged into Quil
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[stefp] Quill
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aaronpk And you can log in successfully?
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[stefp] aaronpk I can on the second site
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[stefp] the error doesn’t appear in Quill
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[stefp] it’s a server error page
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[stefp] must be something in my current installation
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aaronpk how far into the login process do you get before you see the error?
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[stefp] I get to the authorize/scope page. Clicking Authorize leads to the error
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aaronpk great, thats helpful
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aaronpk do you have any other security plugins installed on this site?
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GWG Or caching
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[stefp] I have Sucuri Security. No caching.
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[stefp] try turning that off though
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GWG Just for testing
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aaronpk that sounds familiar, didn't we have this same problem before?
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GWG Plugin conflicts?
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aaronpk aha i remember tracking this down before
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aaronpk it's the security plugin freaking out about the client_id parameter being a URL
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aaronpk https://chat.indieweb.org/wordpress/2018-07-10#t1531234145168600
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Loqi [aaronpk] interesting... changing the client_id to not be a URL gets rid of the error
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sknebel except 4 lines "turned it off an no difference"?
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aaronpk oh maybe not the sucuri plugin then
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aaronpk so maybe it's something on the web server
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GWG Something is.
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aaronpk i know sometimes things freak out if query string parameters with html or links end up getting included in the content of the page
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GWG But some servers do reject get requests with url parameters
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GWG You could disable everything and reenable one by one
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aaronpk i'm thinking this is not something in wordpress
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aaronpk but at the web server level
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GWG But another site on the same server works
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aaronpk i thought that was on a different server
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GWG Same provider, will wait for clarification
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[stefp] It’s a new dedicated WP hosting service whatever that means
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GWG So, likely different configuration
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[stefp] From the same provider
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GWG Can you migrate the old?
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[stefp] I’m just testing it
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aaronpk and the one it's failing in is not in the dedicated WP hosting service?
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[stefp] That’s right
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[stefp] I’m going to investigate the details of the test server. See what’s different.
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[stefp] If anything
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GWG Is there a reason not to use their customized WordPress service for your main site? Is it more of a cost?
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[stefp] It’s a brand new service and still in beta.
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GWG Just curious.
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GWG Good reason
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[stefp] No prices yet
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GWG They should be able to tell you what might cause it. Probably a mod_security rule or such
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[stefp] I could try importing the main site and see what happens
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GWG I would wait if it is in beta
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GWG And ask their support people
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[stefp] Yeah I just meant as a test but I should just wait
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GWG I would email them and tell them that something works on their new thing but not their old and it seems to be blocking queries with urls
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GWG See what they say
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[stefp] I’ll try that.
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[stefp] Thanks for taking the time to try and fix this.
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GWG [stefp]: It's 1:28AM here, and I have the night off, so I'm free.
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[pfefferle] Aaronpk have you seen my questions?
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aaronpk i missed them
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GWG [pfefferle]: Can I ask for some PR love?
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[pfefferle] Micropub?
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GWG IndieAuth and Webmentions
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GWG I added Last Accessed to Tokens in IndieAuth
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GWG And I still have the Vouch PR
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[pfefferle] Webmentions are still some open things, that you wanted to fix or am I wrong?
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GWG [pfefferle]: I submitted two new commits to that for your consideration
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GWG But, for IndieAuth, I may have some more. I was just asked to add a developer's guide, but I was going to do that separately.
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[pfefferle] Ok, I will have a look... might take some time, because I am at a wedding atm.
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[pfefferle] Some time means tomorrow ;)
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GWG [pfefferle]: Why are you logged on at a wedding?
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GWG acegiak: https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieauth/pull/102
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Loqi [dshanske] #102 Add developer documentation and functions
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GWG You can read it in the interim.
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GWG It explains how to use the plugin for your own needs.
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aaronpk GWG++ nice
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Loqi GWG has 72 karma in this channel over the last year (147 in all channels)
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GWG aaronpk: There is even a function that you asked for, that retrieves the me property from the token response and returns it
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aaronpk awesome
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GWG I added in 4 helper functions to make it even easier.
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[pfefferle] GWG always online!
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GWG Same here
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GWG I am thinking of doing Indieauth client discovery, if you read dev
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[pfefferle] aaronpk I have some questions regarding your ActivityPub implementation: Is your Outbox functional? if so, how can I request your posts? ...
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[pfefferle] What feed is mastodon using? And how is the discovery working?
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aaronpk Nope, outbox wasn't required for it to work with stuff so I just didn't implement it
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aaronpk AP works the other way where I send posts to my followers
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aaronpk Discovery works via webfinger even though that isn't part of ActivityPub
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