#wordpress 2018-09-03

2018-09-03 UTC
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GWG
miklb, did you ever look at the debugger?
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Loqi
[Michael Bishop] Testing the new template. Hope it’s not annoying.
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miklb__
GWG I forgot about it already. I'll test
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GWG
No rush
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aaronpk
that looks great
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aaronpk
if bridgy doesn't handle that right I think that's a bridgy bug
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miklb__
bridgy definitely didn't treat it as a reply
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miklb__
this is what bridgy syndicated to Twitter https://twitter.com/miklb/status/1036332450358743040
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@miklb
Testing the new template. Hope it’s not annoying.
(twitter.com/_/status/1036332450358743040)
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miklb__
interesting that Loqi shows same thing for both the permalink as well as the tweet url
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miklb__
but this is all super useful because I feel confident that I'll be able to share a theme framework that is rock solid mf2. With aaronpk's feedback about what I'm serving now being really good, I see light at end of tunnel.
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aaronpk
for some reason this one has two empty p-name elements. I don't remember seeing that on the last one
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aaronpk
it's not the end of the world, since I think most things will treat an empty name property the same as if it didn't exist, but it is a little weird
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miklb__
let me make sure I didn't switch branches or something and not save that code
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miklb__
weird, when I look at it in pin13 I only see one empty name
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Loqi
[Michael Bishop] Testing the new template. Hope it’s not annoying.
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aaronpk
There’s two “” there
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[keithjgrant]
Man, I wish wordpress.com let be install plugins without paying :(
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[keithjgrant]
Are there any other easy-to-setup options for that?
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[keithjgrant]
I'd love to have a dummy site for Omnibear testing
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Loqi
it'll be okay
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miklb__
[keithjgrant] I have indiewp.com on the same server as my setup. I'd be happy to give you a user account to test with a live site. Right now that's all it really is is a live test site when I'm not live testing my own stuff.
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miklb__
or I could spin up a site of your own.
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[keithjgrant]
Either would be phenomenal
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[keithjgrant]
I'm just on phone right now, but hit me up at me@keithjgrant.con
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miklb__
OK, I'll send a new user account to to that email address, and if we need to later set up a separate test site, that's simple to do. I can have a new site up on a subdomain of miklb right away, then we can just point an A record to it need be and I can add the SSL cert.
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miklb__
keep in mind this is running the latest head of all of the plugins, so you are testing against beta version of micropub.
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miklb__
that offer stands for anyone building indieweb tools. If you need a WP site/account for testing, just shout
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miklb__
that's running head of all of the IW plugins. These are subdomains of my main site so only 1 version of plugin installed, and most are straight from the GH repo.
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miklb__
well, at least until everything is tagged and stable
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miklb__
ah, I see what you mean now aaronpk.
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miklb__
I thought I had fixed that
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miklb__
oh, i see what's happening. That second one comes from the "One thought on “”" heading because in that use of `$title` it actually is the permalink's "title". That can't be avoided in this scenario. I did remove the additional p-names that were appearing on the post navigation links
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miklb__
when there are no comments that extra p-name doesn't appear https://miklb.com/blog/2018/09/02/4299/
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Loqi
[Michael Bishop] It’s little utilities like this bracket colorizer for VSCode that I never knew how much I needed it until installing it. https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=CoenraadS.bracket-pair-colorizer
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miklb__
if they were articles with titles, the p-names would match in that other scenario.
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miklb__
whoa. I didn't know that 2016 came with a default dark color scheme.
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miklb__
pretty great example of threaded comments using webmentions https://miklb.com/blog/2018/08/31/4281/#comments
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] I went down this rabbit hole a little bit ago… Try Paprika though, it’s really well done. The Hollywood Building, Portland, Oregon, USA
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miklb__
threaded/nested
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miklb__
GWG that debugger looks cool, a little prettyjson on it would be better.
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GWG
Oh?
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miklb__
compare to pin13 output at least
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miklb__
but just for hardcore debugging it would be fine
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GWG
Well, it allows people to test URLs
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GWG
It also works for local URLs and attachment URLs
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miklb__
developers test URLs. I wouldn't suggest that is useful to users
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GWG
It will work better later.
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GWG
Think I should hide it behind WP_DEBUG
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miklb__
probably until it has utility for a regular user.
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GWG
What utility might it have beyond a power user?
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miklb__
I'm not sure, unless it could eventually be used as a mini-validator on preview posts
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miklb__
draft posts I mean
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GWG
I am using it to improve the parsing right now. But more to do. I just wanted to know if it seems to be speedier in retrieval and if it gets your site well enough
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miklb__
I tested locally and parsed my live site with no issue
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GWG
Great
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jeremycherfas
Anyone here use Antispam Bee https://wordpress.org/plugins/antispam-bee/ rather than Akismet? I like that it is GDPR compliant; just wondering how good it is.
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Loqi
[pluginkollektiv] Description Say Goodbye to comment spam on your WordPress blog or website. Antispam Bee blocks spam comments and trackbacks effectively, without captchas and without sending personal information to third party services. It is free of charge, ad-free...
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miklb__
I've been lucky with spam. I use a common blacklist and have to check the trash for false positives in webmentions. Did have to block an IP address recently but otherwise not too bad
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Loqi
[norcross] comment-blacklist-manager: Add known terms into the WordPress blacklist keys to manage spam
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miklb__
there is something wonky between the blacklists and whitelists but that's low on my to-do list
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jeremycherfas
I like Akismet; I just don't want to get into the GDPR disclaimer stuff.
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GWG
I use Antispam-bee
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jeremycherfas
Any problems GWG?
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GWG
None. I like that it is locally hosted
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GWG
And I filed a webmention request
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jeremycherfas
I’ll take a look in the morning.
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miklb__
GWG any idea what a PR would look like?
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GWG
No, just noted alternate comment types as an issue
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miklb__
I'm going to test it out, turn off my blacklist plugin see how it moderates webmentions in general.
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Loqi
[miklb] #167 Replies via micropub not syndicating properly
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miklb__
in short, if I use post-kinds to reply to a Twitter url, bridgy syndicates the reply as a Tweet reply. If I use micropub, bridgy isn't parsing that its a reply, despite the markup in the note being correct.
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miklb__
my repost markup needs some work it seems
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miklb__
replies from admin work great. I was able to reply to my own note, including an image using the permalink and bridgy picked up the threading and showed the image, so definitely just an issue with micropub
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@miklb
I need to schedule a full day to just triage all of the links I sent to Safari iOS because they’re more desktop oriented. Not a tenable solution.
(twitter.com/_/status/1036738404879413248)
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aaronpk
strange!
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miklb__
right?
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aaronpk
I don't really understand the lifecycle of all the wordpress plugin internals
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miklb__
well there are some new internals so I'm going to go read through the code again now, not sure GWG's schedule
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miklb__
I suspect with moving things around in micropub and I know there were some plans to redo how syndicate-to worked something is getting called out of order or with a higher priority
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miklb__
might be better to compare what the different methods stored to see any anomalies
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GWG
I just finished my day
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miklb__
ok here is what the difference between a reply done in WP vs mciropub and what is stored in mf2_in_reply_to top is WP, bottom is MP https://gist.github.com/miklb/706690207a53edbe8174fe9e8d50a32f
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GWG
Might not be a Micropub issue
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miklb__
what might it be then?
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GWG
Post Kinds Micropub interaction
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GWG
I am walking back to the hotel now
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miklb__
sure, I was posting that update before I saw your note about being done for day, no rush, just looking at differences in the post metadata.
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GWG
How does Quill encode it?
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miklb__
I don't know how to answer that
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miklb__
it also happens with Indigenious
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GWG
It shows up in the debug logs
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GWG
I will do some posting research
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GWG
pfefferle pointed out that we weren't encoding jf2 or mf2 consistently
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GWG
Working on it
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miklb__
nothing in the logs from quill
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GWG
I think it is this
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miklb__
but what is weird is the reply mf2 looks good
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miklb__
so not sure where in that chain that bridgy gets the data and not looking at the markup in the html
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GWG
Okay
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