#wordpress 2018-12-07

2018-12-07 UTC
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cjwillcock just in: being prompted for installation of WP 5.0
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GWG cjwillcock: Resist the urge?
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cjwillcock I'm scared
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GWG I'm steadfastly ignoring it. I just released an update to my Post Kinds plugin with a widget
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[grantcodes] Haha was just going to pop in here and mention it's out
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GWG Widgets are on the chopping block soon
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GWG [grantcodes]: Rubbing salt on the wound?
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[grantcodes] They'll still be there but it's all Gutenberg all the way 😛
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[grantcodes] Nah I actually really like Gutenberg, already using it a lot for professional work
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GWG [grantcodes]: Okay. I am not ready to lose my tinyMCE
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[grantcodes] Not really sure what it has that Gutenberg doesn't though?
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GWG I just don't like blocks.
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GWG But maybe I'll change my mind
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GWG Right now, I told someone I'd go pick them up
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GWG Why not enjoy a new Post Kinds.
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GWG Now with widget
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[grantcodes] If you switch the toolbar about it ends up with a more classic view with controls at the top instead of floating
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GWG I'll see
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cjwillcock GWG++ I like that post kinds widget there, hanging out in my sidebar, nice addition!
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Loqi GWG has 81 karma in this channel over the last year (162 in all channels)
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GWG Next is a Recent Posts by Kind Widget
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sknebel does the wordpress websub hub send notifications only for the Atom/RSS feeds, or also for feed pages etc? if the latter, what does the notification payload look like?
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[Khurt] I think it’s a great strategy.
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GWG What?
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GWG sknebel, never looked, sorry
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GWG What strategy?
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sknebel no problem. [pfefferle] wrote that plugin, right?
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GWG Yes, he did
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GWG Khurt, did you catch my explanation of how to do rel feed on a menu?
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[Serena] dang it, my hosting service updated my WordPress
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[Serena] I'm guessing that means I lose Post Kinds?
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sknebel Unless I misunderstood it, you can install a plugin and get the old editor with the plugin integrations back?
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petermolnar [Serena]: can you install plugins? If yes, install "Classic Editor", and, in setting, set it to completely disable Gutenberg
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[kimberlyhirsh] Good morning, IndieWeb! I did update to 5.0 but also installed Classic Editor... Seems like I'm in good shape. Will check back in after I actually publish a post...
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[tantek] Problems with 5.0: https://twitter.com/meyerweb/status/1071051449000517635
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@meyerweb @zeldman But not with WordPress, apparently: I can only log into my brand new WP 5.0 blog admin using Chromium browsers. Firefox Nightly just loops me back to the login screen. (twitter.com/_/status/1071051449000517635)
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[Khurt] I upgraded one of three web sites I manage but installed the Classic Editor. I am already looking for alternatives to WordPress just in case Gutenberg remains unusable to me.
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[Khurt] No I did not.
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[Khurt] Yes. But the plugin is a temporary “workaround”. No support past 2022.
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[Khurt] Off to meet a colleague for lunch and discuss how much we dislike the new web.
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snarfed anyone other than grantcodes (and GWG :P) upgraded to wordpress 5? any thoughts?
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snarfed i know about gutenberg and blocks but have no opinions or experience yet
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[jgmac1106] I did in all my online classes. Old wine new bottle
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[jgmac1106] None of those are with an IndieWeb theme. Just WP out of box
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[pfefferle] [snarfed] me... a bit fragile at first, but after clearing all caches and deactivate and reactivate all plugins it seems to work solid and I love the new editor...
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snarfed cool!
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GWG I am going to have to spin up a test instance and see what I want to do with my projects
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GWG They just broke or will break everything
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GWG I don't know still how blocks will with Microformats
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GWG Anyone given it thought?
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GWG I did consider parsing post content using php-mf2 instead of storing things in post meta at one point
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GWG But... that still isn't blocks
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snarfed imho https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub/issues/85 is still one of the single most important things we need to do for indieweb/mf2 on wordpress
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Loqi [dshanske] #85 redesign to coordinate with other mf2 plugins and themes
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snarfed (directly related to blocks + mf2, etc)
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GWG Yes, but I tabled it myself because I thought the solution would change under Gutenberg.
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snarfed maybe! and gutenberg is here! and has been for a while :P so we're definitely not blocked on anything.
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GWG I just have been avoiding it
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GWG For projects that I am more excited about, like Yarns
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jackjamieson GWG: same :)
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[Khurt] I upgrade yesterday. Also installed the Classic Editor plugin.
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[grantcodes] Re mf2 and blocks, I think it's still going to difficult, if not worse now. You could make blocks that have good mf2 markup but I can't see that being very useful tbh
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GWG So, how do we solve the problem?
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GWG Ignore Gutenberg?
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[grantcodes] I'm not sure for example if with mf2 you can have a containing element which would be parsed as the content property but have content then a photo (to be parsed as a photo property) then more content then a video (again video property) and then more content again. That is the power of Gutenberg but not sure if that works with mf2
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GWG That's what I was trying to figure out
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[grantcodes] If you ignore Gutenberg you won't have any new users
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[grantcodes] Or fewer anyway
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GWG Exactly
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GWG But I don't have to rush
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GWG The plugin that would work first with Gutenberg is my location plugin
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GWG So I might try experimenting with that first
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[grantcodes] Custom themes could be awesome with mf2 and blocks but generic themes I don't know
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GWG I need more time I guess
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