#wordpress 2019-05-15
2019-05-15 UTC
[Rose] joined the channel
chrisaldrich joined the channel
# 
chrisaldrich Rose, I recall you mentioning an RSS related itch earlier. I had sketched out some pieces a while back that may help you a bit: https://boffosocko.com/2016/12/18/rss-feeds-a-follow-up-on-my-indieweb-commitment-2017/
gRegorLove, ichoquo0Aigh9ie, Murph1, [frank], jeremych_, jgmac1106, [jgmac1106] and [tantek] joined the channel
# 
GWG Just noticed this in 5.2. https://github.com/indieweb/wordpress-indieauth/issues/139
[Rose] joined the channel
[eddie], [frank], [jgmac1106], [aaronpk], jackjamieson, [Rose] and [chrisaldrich] joined the channel
[aaronpk] and jackjamieson joined the channel
gRegorLove, [frank], dougbeal|iOS, jackjami_ and [pfefferle] joined the channel
# 
[pfefferle] GWG have you seen https://github.com/pfefferle/Autonomie/issues/23 ???
[chrisaldrich] joined the channel
# [chrisaldrich] What is submention?
# 
Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "submention" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "submention is ____", a sentence describing the term)
# [chrisaldrich] Urgh... [Rose] you might take a look at https://boffosocko.com/2018/01/24/definition-of-submention/ which describes the problem and has a reply from Colin Walker who built a small tool to allow you to not send a webmention.
# [chrisaldrich] It's been a while since I know he worked on it, and it's unsupported. Perhaps you could extend it into a more useful plugin?
chrisaldrich joined the channel
# chrisaldrich In case it's not directly linked in the above, here's the nomention repository he made: https://github.com/colin-walker/nomention
# chrisaldrich You got it right sknebel...
# chrisaldrich What is snitch tagging?
# Loqi snitch tagging is a special case of explicitly person-mentioning someone in a reply to or quotation of a post which mentions (usually critically) that same someone more obliquely (like plain text or a nickname) as a way of notifying that person of the critique, either as a heads-up, or perhaps in agreement with the critique https://indieweb.org/snitch_tagging
# chrisaldrich If snitch tagging is a thing on Twitter, it could likely be a thing with webmentions...
# chrisaldrich sometimes wonders if my read posts can be or are annoying to some...
# chrisaldrich What is notification overload?
# Loqi notifications in the context of the IndieWeb refer to all forms and ways that an independent web site can receive a message indicating something of interest (server notifications), and potentially relay that information (preferably in realtime) to one or more devices used by the owner of that site (client notifications) https://indieweb.org/notification_overload
# chrisaldrich I think it was from before GWG's rewrite of the Webmention plugin last year, so it may not work...
# chrisaldrich And Colin has stepped away from social, online, and all the rest of it, so it's not being maintained.... but the structure is probably pretty solid, so it could probably be easily duplicated/re-written
[aaronpk], gRegorLove_ and [jgmac1106] joined the channel
# 
[jgmac1106] Gwg chrisaldrich wouldn't a plugin that simply strips the webmention endpoint from a post be enough?
# [jgmac1106] On WordPress aren't webmentions held in moderation reducing attack vector (though dealing with the maintenance tax of moderation is its own attack vector(
[chrisaldrich] joined the channel
# [chrisaldrich] [jgmac1106] If you're speaking of the nomention conversation above, it's not enough If I want to link to three posts and send webmentions to two but not the third.
# [chrisaldrich] Also from a terminology standpoint the webmention endpoint on a page/site is the thing that receives the notification from another site, not the thing that sends them and it isn't done on a per page basis to my knowledge.
# [jgmac1106] Ohh okay to not send... Now I understand nomention.. Thought you meant recieving
# [chrisaldrich] I also don't think that wm's are held for moderation automatically, just the ones that may be caught by antispam services.
# [jgmac1106] Ha I go rel=nomention and of course an old [chrisaldrich] post is first
# [jgmac1106] Google not go
# [chrisaldrich] After having considered it for a while, I would also recommend doing it as a class as well rather than a rel value.
# [jgmac1106] But to link to a post and say that the source can never know is strange. IMO best option there is not link to the post
[tantek] joined the channel
# [chrisaldrich] There's always the possibility that the owner of the original may see the thing in the wild in any case, even if there is no link, so you really can't win except to make the entire thing private.
# [chrisaldrich] But that's an entirely different thing altogether....
# [chrisaldrich] Think of it like a class I saw once in which the teacher was using a Z. Tufekci text and they were all tweeting about it. She specifically told students not to @mention @zaynep so as not to overwhelm her notifications, but instead to just use her name and/or initials.
# [chrisaldrich] In cases where the author/post may be incredibly popular and/or famous, it may make sense to not webmention things because they likely won't care. So there is a framing in which doing this is a way of showing kindness or neighborliness rather than the more negativing framing of the subtweet/submention case.
# [chrisaldrich] If you go back to Colin's post above, he also chose classes as a method because it worked well/quickly with his markdown workflow.
# [chrisaldrich] We'll obviously need to create some better UI for making adding such classes an easier thing for other methods.
# [jgmac1106] I got booted from Twitter during mlb all star game for @ mentioning famous people too much
# [chrisaldrich] GWG, they are the new hotness, but they're not as powerful without webmention hiding underneath. 😛
# [jgmac1106] And the teacher example [chrisaldrich] kinds how I handle it now. I simply use a name and no link