#wordpress 2019-05-22

2019-05-22 UTC
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GWG_ !tell [Rose] Noticed a feed problem with your site.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[Rose] You did?
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GWG_ [Rose]: Feed discovery doesn't find them all
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[Rose] Uh oh.
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[Rose] I can fix that.
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[Rose] I hope.
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GWG_ Well, the easiest way is rel=feed
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GWG_ On the link to it
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[Rose] Yes, I'll do that but I want more in my header.
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[pfefferle] Autonomie already sets the feed header
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GWG_ Which feed header?
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[pfefferle] the html site
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GWG_ [Rose] has separated her blog from her microblog. That's a customization
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[Rose] I've done lots of weird things 🙂
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GWG_ It isn't weird
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GWG_ I was just explaining why what the theme does isn't covering your usage
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GWG_ [pfefferle]: You wrote websub for WordPress. How could Yarns leverage websub for retrieving feeds?
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[pfefferle] if you file an issue, I will reactivate the client implementation and write an action/hook documentation for that
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[pfefferle] I removed the client a while ago, because noone really used it
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GWG_ The code is still there?
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GWG_ In the current repo, I mean
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GWG_ Looking for it. Got a link?
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[tonz] On my blog I post replies and bookmarks etc. in such a way that I show my content first, and the thing I’m replying to / commenting on after that. This is a setting in Post Kinds. This is useful to me as then, when I share that to Twitter, Mastodon, it puts my content before the cut-off and not the external content I’m reacting to. In my RSS feed however this is not happening: there the “Ton replied to a posting by X “blurb”" co
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[tonz] post-processing?)
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[tonz] As I share my RSS feed to Microblog, there the external stuff is then shown before the character limit cut-off, and my remarks remain invisible. I’m trying to understand: is it PostKinds that also determines the content of what ends up in the RSS feed (it seems not), or is it something else? And if something else, how does it ‘know’ at all what post kind we’re talking about. Is the default shape of a post kind post in the database?
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GWG_ It does.
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GWG_ And could do so better
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[pfefferle] GWG no I removed it completly
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[pfefferle] this was the old implementation https://github.com/pubsubhubbub/wordpress-pubsubhubbub/commit/c0626b95e4018bcffda241c5247eb7a6ac317c3c
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[pfefferle] but I have to re-add stuff
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[tantek] [tonz] in my experience, both RSS and Atom feeds and classic readers do not handle showing reply/comment posts very well
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[tantek] Better to have a way to not send replies / comments to your RSS/Atom feeds, because that generation of feed readers doesn’t have any explicit handling of them and they just look bad
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[tantek] Perhaps more for dev, but this is a clear example of the limitations of the prior RSS/Atom ecosystem and why those technologies are unsuitable in practice for “social web” interactions and posts
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[tonz] [tantek] yes, I know, but I’m trying to pin down where the difference originates between the way the order reply-what’s replied to is shown on my page, and in my rss feed. As I can influence that order on the page with a postkinds setting, which doesn’t affect the feed. (Whereas the entire construct of showing reply and replied to bits is a Post Kinds determined thing)
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[tantek] If you’re able to figure out a way to make it work, I’m very interested
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[frank] I made a favorite on my blog with Quill (like-of). Which IndieWeb WordPress plugin takes care of parsing and displaying the received information? I want to test some stuff but I can't seem to remember how it works again...
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GWG_ !tell [pfefferle] Maybe the old code should be its own repo?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[pfefferle] Why?
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chrisaldrich frank, it should be the Micropub plugin that handles receiving the data from Quill and parsing it out as mf2 to display on your site.
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[frank] [chrisaldrich] I thought so too. So I made a request in Postman to my micropub endpoint to see what it would respond with. But I don't get any mf2 output...
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chrisaldrich frank, iirc most of the data is stored in the wp_postmeta table for individual posts; some plugins like Post Kinds Plugin may do some handling for how the data is ultimately displayed.
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chrisaldrich what are tools?
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Loqi Here are some tools that are helpful for building and debugging an IndieWeb site https://indieweb.org/tools
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chrisaldrich you might also find some useful pieces there ^^
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[frank] [chrisaldrich] Thanks. It's more I'd like to see how the payload and response is built up before it goes into the database. I'll see if I can find something to work with.
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chrisaldrich snarfed wrote the original for Micropub, but with the rewrite of the internals last year, GWG may be of more specific help to you when he pops up later.
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GWG_ If Post Kinds is installed, it overrides handling of display. If it isn't, Micropub marks it up when created only
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[kimberlyhirsh] Getting missing_parameter redirect_uri error again. I was planning to wait to switch hosts until this account is up for renewal but my current posting hiatus might be an opportune moment for switching to Reclaim...
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[kimberlyhirsh] So tired of dealing with tech support.
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GWG_ I am sorry
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GWG_ I can't work around that or test for ot
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[kimberlyhirsh] I've just had them do the thing that fixes it and I trust they switched it back for some reason.
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GWG_ Accidentally,. maybe
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[kimberlyhirsh] Blargh they direct you to live chat and then there's no record of it in your support tickets so I won't even be able to tell them what we did last time. Yep, time to migrate.