#wordpress 2020-01-14

2020-01-14 UTC
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chrisaldrich kevq Are you using Jetpack on your site?
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chrisaldrich I remember there were some issues with allowing Jetpack proxying facebook, wordpress.com, et al. login causing some issues, but I thought they got fixed.
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beko[m] Nice, simple-local-avatars looks good. Will test later. Sorry, was not around over the weekend/monday
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GWG Hi, beko[m]. I looked at Simple Local Avatars. What avatar needs do you have?
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beko[m] GWG: I want own avatars without any gravatar. If a photo (via comment) comes from gravatar I want it cached on the server. I do not want cookies / requests to gravatar because this is a privacy issue for visitors. Whenever I find a comment with avatars from any CDN that drag in cookies I kill it right off with mystery-man.
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beko[m] It's hilarious how many loops one has to jump to remove 3rd party usage from the own WordPress website.
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GWG beko[m]: Simple Local Avatars doesn't do comments
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GWG Did you know that Webmentions now includes a gravatar cache, but not the way you identify
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beko[m] That's probably fine. I also don't know why avatar_privacy started messing with this especially when no gravatar url is in use at all ☹︎
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beko[m] It's really weird. Today it even failed on one occasion allowing one comment avatar by random.
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beko[m] May be related to emoji in username
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GWG beko[m]: I spoke to the developer
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GWG https://github.com/mundschenk-at/avatar-privacy/issues/152
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Loqi [dshanske] #152 Avatar Privacy conflicts with Webmention Avatar Handler
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GWG https://github.com/mundschenk-at/avatar-privacy/pull/153
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Loqi [dshanske] #153 Load avatar privacy later and exit if another plugin has returned a URL
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beko[m] *reads up
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GWG Simple Explanation, it doesn't play nice with other avatar plugins
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GWG So, webmentions does. If another plugin with a higher priority comes in,.it can override.
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GWG The developer also volunteered previously to work on supporting avatar caching for webmentions in Avatar Privacy, so I think he'll find a solution
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GWG Even if he doesn't agree with mine
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beko[m] I see. Will switch to another plugin if author won't accept some sort of fix. Thank you for hanging in there!
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GWG beko[m]: I like the plugin and the developer
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GWG But same
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GWG I could roll my own
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GWG beko[m]: Do you think caching other people's avatars is privacy issue?
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beko[m] GWG: Well the _cookie_ is.
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GWG Oh?
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beko[m] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automattic is the company behind. You request an image from it you get a cookie. This has profiling written all over it.
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Loqi Automattic Inc.
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Infamousguy hey all i keep getting this error in wordpress editor and can't do anything there, Uncaught TypeError: d is not a function at Q (react.min.js?ver=16.9.0:11) i have disabled all plugins and still get that error
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[asuh] I agree with beko[m] about avatars and gravatar. Locally served, without cookies is preferrable
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GWG [asuh]: What about non gravatar via webmentions?
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[asuh] GWG, that works too. Reducing the necessity of 3rd party services, even gravatar, is good practice
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GWG Yes, but to what degree should that be in webmentions?
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[asuh] are you asking if a local avatar should be sent with a webmention?
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[asuh] or pulled in
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GWG Pulled in
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GWG So, we parse the mf2 and store the URL for the avatar, but serve it from the original site
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[asuh] maybe it adds to database bloat, but in my mind it makes that a webmention will just save the user’s avatar in my database, only serving that. i don’t think the avatar itself has to be controlled by webmentions plugin, right?
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[asuh] Maybe extending the Semantics Linkback avatar functionality in some way?
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[asuh] Could be that this should stay outsourced to something like Avatar Privacy or Simple Local Avatars plugin
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GWG The Semantic Linkbacks functionality is deprecated
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GWG Webmentions takes over that now
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GWG But outsourcing is what we've discussed
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GWG [asuh]: How much do you know about what it does now?
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[asuh] GWG, not enough, unfortunately
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GWG Well, the version in Semantic Linkbacks was too aggressive
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GWG It caused other issues
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GWG The new version in webmentions is designed to verify the lack of a gravatar and to show a local copy.
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GWG It caches the lack for a period, and reverifies.
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GWG But it isn't a file cache.
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beko[m] other avatars are tricky. I don't mind pulling em in from the original site. It's their usecase anyway. Just don't want any cookies coming along. Some CDNs do this and sometimes I asked the author to make sure it does not happen for the avatar or remove it. That's work tho ☹︎
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beko[m] Twitter is weird. Posted some trivia reply and got over 100 likes within hours o0 Anyway, I notice that not all backfeeded comments are rendered any more. Is there some comment limitation in WP I'm not aware of? Say "latest 100"?
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GWG The other issue is that avatars disappear
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beko[m] True. Happens a lof with Mastodon ones. Old media is not long held. I don't mind this. May replace with mystery-m or so on occasion.
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beko[m] nvm found it. it's paginated. Never seen this before :D
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GWG That gives me an idea
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beko[m] Sorry 🙂
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GWG beko[m]: Wondering if avatars should be verified periodically
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beko[m] Tricky. Invalidating any cache is hard. Resource may be 404 temporary or else.
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GWG beko[m]: The system in Webmentions is simple enough
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GWG It does a head request on the gravatar URL to see if it is valid. If it returns a 404, it caches there is no gravatar for a week.
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beko[m] true
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GWG It could do the same for other URLs. And if the filename returns a 404, then remove the avatar URL stored
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beko[m] 👍️
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