#wordpress 2020-02-10
2020-02-10 UTC
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cbzen Greetings
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# [Charles_Bartlet Greetings, I'm on a mission with Wordpress... to reduce friction in the post creation process. To make sharing content (i.e. a new article link) just as easy as Facebook. After hours of investigation, I have not found a good solution. Which leads me to believe I must be missing something obvious.
# [Charles_Bartlet So, while reading a blog or news site, I should be able to click the native 'Share' icon in my mobile device to select Wordpress, and WP will automatically do the following:
# [Charles_Bartlet 1. Create a new post.
# [Charles_Bartlet 2. Download the featured image in the article I'm sharing and upload it to the Media Library.
# [Charles_Bartlet 3. Set the newly uploaded image as the Post Featured Image.
# [Charles_Bartlet I believe more people would manage their own blogs, and post content to it instead of social media accounts, IF the sharing UX was equally as friction-less as FB, IG, and Twitter.
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[jgmac1106] basically stated all our goals
# [jgmac1106] we manage this on Wordpress using the micropub plugin, these are fun apps andeven browser extensions that can publish to WordPress sites
# [Charles_Bartlet I'm certain my "mission" is not an original thought at all. Given how much capability has built out around Wordpress, it's a bit odd that sharing content, via a WP post, is so terrible via mobile app. Installing Micropub and looking at Quill now.
# [jgmac1106] are you using an IndieWeb WP theme with all the plugins...you will need that first
# [jgmac1106] I think our secrets of WordPress session from IWC Online was just posted. Highly recommend starting there
# [Charles_Bartlet No, and to be frank, "...IndieWeb WP theme with all the plugins" is a non-starter for convincing people to publish to their own blogs. I get that maybe that is as good as it gets today. But nobody is going to leave Facebook for that.
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[chrisaldrich] Post kinds plugin comes pretty close though it would transclude the photo but doesn't yet include it into any of the templates.
# [Charles_Bartlet To be clear, my criticism is all on Wordpress.org for this. The native WP mobile app should manage link sharing seamlessly.
# [jgmac1106] thats why we find it beneficial to worry about ourselves make it a mission to live our own better life online and attract people that way, going for scale against companies worth more than most nations isn't a path to success
# [jgmac1106] but knowing I am doing my part and living the way I hope to inspire others to do..I can count that as success...
# [Charles_Bartlet And that is why Indie Web has not got any traction in past years.
# [Charles_Bartlet Indie Web could offer a very compelling alternative, if not for lack of a plugin that automatically uploads an image from a news article URL pasted into a post. Perhaps just a custom Block in the editor.
# [jgmac1106] again, I caution using scale as a metric of a success, that got us in this mess. Web only been around 30 years, most social media under a decade, we can right the ship, just talking a tiny blip of history. I prefer believing. makes my days easier and nights more restful. We would love to have more themes work with the plugins for WordPress.,
# [jgmac1106] what is your website? You are out owning your data and controlling your connections. So thank you
# [Charles_Bartlet First and foremost, I want a solution for myself. Sharing a blog/article from a mobile device, with automated featured image, should require only 3 touches plus any comment I want to add.
# [Charles_Bartlet Given your focus on scale, I think we're missing each other here. There should be no caution in creating a better UX for people.
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# [chrisaldrich] BetterUX++
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# [Michael_Beckwit has me wondering if this is specifically a IWC thing or a WordPress thing in general
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# [chrisaldrich] I wonder if others have that sort of workflow?
# [chrisaldrich] Personally I'm not sure if I want to own a copy of others photos on my site.
# [chrisaldrich] I suspect that most personal sites could claim fair use, particularly when using them as a reply context.
# [chrisaldrich] I actually had a takedown request from an online magazine not to use their artwork. Their community manager was a bit short about it and had no concept of fair use at all.
# [chrisaldrich] They also didn't seem to think my personal use was anything like the same sort of use as twitter or Facebook which show the same sorts of things.
# [chrisaldrich] And in most social cases they are making a copy on their servers for distribution.
# [chrisaldrich] GWG, will post kinds copy the picture into media or are you just talking about pulling in the img link?
# [chrisaldrich] I've been using a plugin that sideloads featured images from other sites using the img Url from post kinds expecting that once post kinds does something with them I could just turn the plugin off and trekking on post kinds.
# [chrisaldrich] Pressforward has functionality for copying the image and saving it on ones server though if people want to try that.
# [chrisaldrich] S/trekking/depend... That was an odd predictive text /auto correct
# [chrisaldrich] Most micropub clients do a good job of doing quick shares, especially with post kinds.
# [chrisaldrich] I do wish there were more micropub clients that would support read posts though.
# [chrisaldrich] Swentel supports a wide variety including geocaches, maybe we could talk him into it?
# [chrisaldrich] I do feel like publishers that do markup on their sites for OGP are explicitly implying that they want that artwork used in exactly this manner. Otherwise, why mark it up this way?
# [chrisaldrich] What's worse is that I wouldn't copy to benefit myself, but it's obvious that social media platforms are copying specifically to advertise against for their own personal benefit.
# [chrisaldrich] Somehow I couldn't get that magazine community manager to see that logic...
# [chrisaldrich] [Charles_Bartlett] is right that it is a killer feature. It's one of my favorite things about post kinds ability to quickly create reply contexts.
# [chrisaldrich] GWG, do you mind if I post some details about the new extra feeds plugin?
# [chrisaldrich] I may not finish it until tomorrow, but it'll be something you could swipe some text from for the readme.
# [chrisaldrich] Ah, the benefits of being a fan club president! 😉
# [chrisaldrich] I still need to figure out how to dovetail it into one or two other things and test it against some feed readers.
# [chrisaldrich] What is Post Kinds Plugin?
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Loqi The Post Kinds Plugin is a WordPress plugin that adds support for responding and interacting with other sites to WordPress https://indieweb.org/Post_Kinds_Plugin
# [chrisaldrich] For the benefit of context for others reading the discussion above ^^
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# Dante Hi! A process into my plugin provoke a fatal error in Linux Server which I have not access, for example to define a WP_DEBUG_LOG.
# Dante I could identified the conflict in the event related to generate an jpeg image from a graph (jpgraph - CanvasGraph()).
# Dante I try to catch it first with try/catch, then is_wp_error, both without success
# Dante Wordpress triggers it fatal error handler always first
# Dante I looking to prevent the fatal error crash
# Dante Get any-to-specific info from server (Linux, which I have not direct access e.g to define WP_DEBUG_LOG in wp-config.php) or wordpress about the error (my enviroment of action is just my plugin files, I can upload it & download it but nothing else)
# Dante Any ideas =?
# Dante I posted the question with example code at : https://wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/358286/wp-fatal-error-handler-or-wp-error-or-try-catch
# Dante I so apreciate any kind of hints/clues/ideas/tips/etc... and your time :)
# Dante have nice week.init.all();
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# swimrr I've just realized that my enqueue code was incorrect, but the css was loading anyway. Does that make sense?
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# swimrr tada
# swimrr so the Jobify theme says you have to enqueue the child theme stylesheet like this https://pastebin.com/NRstivVg
# swimrr I've read a way to make my child theme stylesheet load after a plugin stylesheet is to make it dependent, but I'm not sure how to do it
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# swimrr this did not work - https://pastebin.com/qWNYAQte
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[grantcodes] swimrr: depends on the id/name of the parent theme style
# [grantcodes] Although I think it should be enqueued automatically if you don't overwrite it in your child theme
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# [Michael_Beckwit swimrr if the style-front-end-min.css file is being enqueued itself, reference it’s handle for the dependency
# [Michael_Beckwit not the file name
# [Michael_Beckwit the handle would be the first parameter much like your “jobify-child”
# swimrr hi Michael
# swimrr hrm, let me see what I see
# swimrr ah, let me try this
# swimrr Okay, this looks better - https://pastebin.com/NiKnCbNd
# swimrr and I'm guessing that adding that dependency won't change the dependency of the child theme on the parent theme
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# [Michael_Beckwit that parameter, last i checked, dictates the order they’re loaded in
# [Michael_Beckwit if file A depends on file B, then file B will be loaded first
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# swimrr is that only for those 2? not others?
# swimrr hrm, let me check the files
# [Michael_Beckwit it calculates internally what order things should be in
# swimrr okay, so jobify child is now dependent on wpbsc-style. Doesn't it also need to be dependent on the parent-theme jobify?
# [Michael_Beckwit i believe first it grabs everything that is using the enqueue functions, and lists those in order of being found
# [Michael_Beckwit and then from that order, it checks dependencies and re-orders as appropriate
# [Michael_Beckwit depends on if that wpbsc-style loads before or after the parent theme’s css
# [Michael_Beckwit worst case, specify both
# swimrr Thank-you again Michael!
# swimrr gotta run, bye!
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