#wordpress 2020-11-18

2020-11-18 UTC
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[chrisaldrich] smaffulli[m]++ for a nice post on IndieWeb+WordPress. I saw your bridgy syndication issue. Did you see the conversation above from reed that started earlier today?
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Loqi smaffulli[m] has 1 karma over the last year
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[chrisaldrich] I suspect that may be some of the same issue you're seeing. Which specific theme are you using? Independent Publisher or IndieWeb Publisher or some other variant?
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reed reed and smaffulli are my accounts [chrisaldrich]
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reed i'm using https://github.com/frankmeeuwsen/digging-the-digital which is a child theme of Indieweb Publisher
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Loqi [frankmeeuwsen] digging-the-digital: This child theme accompanies the Indieweb Publisher theme. The child theme is in formatting and order influenced by the work of StudioPress and Genesis.
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reed tomorrow I'll write down how I would like my blog to work, I'm done for the day
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[chrisaldrich] I thought they seemed like suspiciously similar problems. 🙂 Just wanted to make sure you got sorted out if they were, in fact, different.
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[chrisaldrich] reed, if it helps https://brid.gy/twitter/smaffulli has a visual preview option on the Publish side which you can use to test the output of your site.
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[snarfed] hey GWG, there’s no real indication on https://wordpress.org/plugins/bridgy-publish/ that it’s deprecated. could you add a big loud warning at the top? or even better, delete it from the plugin directory entirely?
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Loqi [David Shanske] Description This plugin is a user interface for the Bridgy service and requires the webmention plugin to notify Bridgy to post. It also stores a link to the syndicated version for display by Syndication Links or other uses. Bridgy posts to social ...
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GWG I'll see how you remove a plugin
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boffosocko.com edited /WordPress_with_Bridgy (+1024) "deprecate Bridgy Publish for WordPress plugin for Syndication Links plugin; not about u-photo frequent error; link to Getting Started With WordPress session" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] GWG, snarfed, reed: I've updated both the Bridgy page and the WordPress with Bridgy to better reflect how to do bridgy publish with the Syndication Links plugin.
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[chrisaldrich] The page still needs some pieces filled in, but it should at least better reflect current practice.
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[chrisaldrich] GWG, maybe we could do another Getting Started with WordPress session that last week of December? That might make a nice pop-up and catch some people who are taking the week off...
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GWG Now that I finished with the last upload...
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reed mulling over the syndication to social, this morning I woke up with a thought: why should one use bridgy to syndicate to Twitter when there are other plugins that can do that (and more)?
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GWG reed: Syndication Links is happy to integrate with any other plugin.
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reed I understand that GWG ... I'm trying to figure out what's the best suggestion to give to new comers: when I read the wiki, I thought that Syndication Links and Bridgy would be enough but maybe it's not
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GWG reed: Syndication Links originally only handled the display of the links
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reed interesting
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GWG The code I added in has it adding the handoff from Micropub to Syndication options
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GWG And the checkboxes in the editor to do the same
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reed I realized yesterday that the checkboxes don't seem to work for me
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GWG reed, I have a mystery there
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reed I know :) that's why I woke up with that thought :)
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GWG It seems to have to do with the WordPress scheduler
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GWG So, when you post, it schedules the Syndication to occur a few seconds later.
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GWG So, essentially a fork into the background
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GWG Same with webmentions
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GWG But frequently that isn't triggering
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reed the thought specifically is: should the SL plugin do the push when there are other plugins that do the same?
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GWG I thought it was possibly because wp-cron wasn't triggering
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GWG reed: It only tells something else to do it
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GWG At least with the Bridgy stuff
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GWG It does do some trickery for micro.blog
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reed right... but that doesn't remove the validity of the question, does it?
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GWG And someone asked for Pinboard, so I wrote that API integration myself
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GWG reed: No, of course not
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reed ah
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reed right, for fediverse apps maybe it makes sense to grow SL capabilities
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GWG For me, I write a lot of notes via Indigenous for Android, so I needed something to trigger syndication from there
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GWG reed: In what way? I'm happy to add more, or just encourage other plugins to hook into the functions
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reed geez, I envy you :) my Indiegenous stopped working
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GWG It's why I designed the provider interface
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GWG reed: Sigh
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reed I'm still a bit confused by the role of Bridgy, why it does the publishing and the backfeed
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reed my current thinking is that as a stop gap measure, using other social publishing plugins is fine... i hate to add more plugins, maybe jetpack is enough (although I hate to use it)
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GWG reed: What about Bridgy confuses you?
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reed it seems complex to me
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reed it's my fault though, I'm easily confused
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GWG It's goal was to not require you to support all these APIs
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GWG It uses a common standard, webmention
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reed so the SL plugin only needs to support webmentions and Bridgy does the "translations" in both directions?
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reed that message is quite clear on bridgy/about page in fact... thinking out loud maybe my confusion is because of wordpress :)
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[asuh] reed: what other plugins would you use for syndication? Jetpack? I appreciate that SL is quite a bit lighter than Jetpack or SNAP and it feels like an excellent solution for that reason.
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GWG And I agree, it could use more options
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GWG I also sometimes think of integrating with a local plugin
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[chrisaldrich] There are definitely dozens (hundreds even?) WordPress plugins for a variety of syndication needs. SNAP is another good swiss army knife for multiple platforms.
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[chrisaldrich] There aren't a lot of other syndication plugins that don't dovetail with Syndication Links to automatically pull the URL of the syndicated post back in. (SNAP does this thanks to GWG's work. Jetpack doesn't (yet?))
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[chrisaldrich] I also do a fair amount of publishing from micropub clients and some like Quill have the ability to find some of my syndication endpoints so that I can trigger syndication from those interfaces.
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[chrisaldrich] What is SNAP?
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Loqi SNAP (Social Network Auto Poster) is a POSSE plugin for WordPress https://indieweb.org/SNAP
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boffosocko.com edited /Template:WordPress (+52) "add Syndication Links to POSSE; move bridgy and Medium plugins to end as they've been deprecated" (view diff)
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[chrisaldrich] Syndication isn't easy and is almost always made harder due to API changes (or even being locked out of APIs which is what Facebook has done).
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[chrisaldrich] Is anyone aware of any other tools besides Brid.gy that do backfeed? The only other one I'd heard about disappeared maybe 5 years ago and had some serious limitations.
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boffosocko.com edited /WordPress/Plugins (+490) "/* POSSE Plugins */ Bridgy publish deprecated; added syndication links instead & updated features" (view diff)
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reed !tell [asuh] I don't have a preference of plugins. I'd love to see a simpler or at least clearer path to a working syndication
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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reed I have started looking at indieweb more than 3 years ago, I finally decided to configure my wp install with indieweb in July, I still am limping for a variety of reasons
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[asuh] reed, maybe you could numerically outline what you think is a “clear path” to syndication. I am curious what you feel is missing or unclear with SL in terms of what to do.
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reed [asuh], right now, there is an issue with SL (GWG is aware already) that prevents Syndication Links to notify bridgy of new posts. When using the workaround, adding the href to bridgy/publish/twitter, bridgy doesn't push the featured image of the post but for some reason pulls the u-photo in the tweet ... not sure where I should go fix that
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GWG I am aware of it, but not why it happens. I may try something else
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reed :)
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GWG SNAP has multiple trigger methods for this reason
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reed that's why it's bloated? :)
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reed or is it bloated? trying to re-read what asuh said before
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reed or was it chris?
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petermolnar I'm tempted to say that SNAP is not bloated but written in an extremely nasty way deliberately to prevent tinkering with it
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petermolnar it was surprisingly painful to add flickr location tags a long time ago as a pull request
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GWG It's a painful plugin to look 5