#indiewebcamp 2014-06-25

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KevinMarks tantek: not making it to portland or nyc for indiewebcamp :(
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bret KevinMarks: :(
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GWG KevinMarks: Insert frown here
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KevinMarks so I get to test the live stream...
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bret KevinMarks: what happened?
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tantek kylewm - yes, the quick viewability in a browser is likely a key reason for the better fidelity over time - but more importantly, EVERYONE ELSE can look at it in a browser the momenty you put it on the web and see right away if anything is broken or missing
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tantek s/momenty/moment
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Loqi tantek meant to say: kylewm - yes, the quick viewability in a browser is likely a key reason for the better fidelity over time - but more importantly, EVERYONE ELSE can look at it in a browser the moment you put it on the web and see right away if anything is broken or missing
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KevinMarks that weekend is my wife's birthday, both my sons are home, not a good weekend to be away
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@ZKinput IndieWebCamp Breakfast http://calagator.org/events/1250466560 (twitter.com/_/status/481590223839956992)
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bret KevinMarks: ah understandable
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tantek KevinMarks - apologies for the collision
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KevinMarks no way you'd know, and I ahve been away that weekend before, but decided against it this year
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KevinMarks I did plug it on Jolie O'Dell's podcast which will be up tomorrow. And will mention in my Google IO ignite tomorrow afternoon too
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GWG KevinMarks: I was disappointed. I tuned into that on your endorsement, and no you nor Jolie O'Dell. Wrong week.
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KevinMarks yes, it's not live
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KevinMarks though I don't think we'll need much editing.
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aaronpk summary of this week's indieweb events! http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2014/06/22/1/indieweb-events-june-2014
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2014/06/22/1/indieweb-events-june-2014 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Schedule (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2014/06/22/1/indieweb-events-june-2014 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014 (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2014/06/22/1/indieweb-events-june-2014 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/events (webmention)
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tantek was half expecting an h-event feed at that post ;)
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aaronpk i considered it..
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aaronpk but holy crap that's a lot of work to do manually
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aaronpk especailly cause I just made event posts for everything individually
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tantek I suppose that would require a new "collection
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tantek " post type
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aaronpk this is also kind of a test for my collection post type https://github.com/aaronpk/p3k/issues/8
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tantek which would automatically include all the rich markup from the collections
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tantek heh
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aaronpk yup
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tantek from the collected posts that is
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@aaronpk This week in the IndieWeb: http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2014/06/22/1/indieweb-events-june-2014 (twitter.com/_/status/481599274069680128)
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@indiewebcamp RT @aaronpk: This week in the IndieWeb: http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2014/06/22/1/indieweb-events-june-2014 (twitter.com/_/status/481599533164417024)
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kylewm aaronpk: is it intentional that the collection post doesn't link to the individual post permalinks?
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tantek aaronpk - I thought this week in IndieWeb was the list of changes to the wiki and such?
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aaronpk tantek: oops yeah... what I should ahve done is posted it last week and called it "next week in the indieweb"
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aaronpk kylewm: there are post permalink links under the block quotes
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aaronpk oops I missed one
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aaronpk should I make the dates link to the permalink?
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kylewm aaronpk: that's a little awkward isn't it... your event pages don't permalink the dates (which I think makes sense)
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aaronpk wait which way is awkward?
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scor tantek: great story re fidelity of data in HTML. did you share that story elsewhere on the web? looking for a link to bookmark. can bookmark http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-06-24#t1403653480 too if that's all you got...
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kylewm aaronpk: i think permalinking event dates woudl be a little awkward
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aaronpk oh ok
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kylewm I like how you just have "permalink" at the bottom of the actual event pages
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kylewm could do that?
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@kevinmarks #indieweb #microformats pre-io meetup #googleio (@ La Boulange du Dome w/ 3 others) https://www.swarmapp.com/kevinmarks/checkin/53aa241d498eecf7351bba0c?s=Q7RJncOnW04TyEV4v1Fg8_6XUJI&ref=tw (twitter.com/_/status/481608137775276032)
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aaronpk from earlier... here is j12t's post about indiewebcamp! https://groups.google.com/forum/?#!msg/indie-box-announce/70glP09Vtzg/dZEDZjJlJ7YJ
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KartikPrabhu any JS experts around? How do you filter children elements that have some particular attribute?. Example: I have a list element <ol> and I want an array of those <li> which have a non-empty "data-huha" attribute
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Loqi gives KartikPrabhu an array of those
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KartikPrabhu google does not seem to know
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KartikPrabhu aww thanks but no thanks Loqi
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Loqi you're welcome
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: using jquery?
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KartikPrabhu <sigh> I want to avoid jQuery
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KartikPrabhu sticking to if statement for now
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kylewm a minimalist eh!
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KartikPrabhu yes! :D also don't really want all of jquery so push come to shove I can just borrow parts of jquery source
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KartikPrabhu looking at that for .closest now in fact :P
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kylewm do you want to avoid libraries altogether? like have you seen zepto?
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KartikPrabhu yeah. I don't want something as simple as adding marginalia to be dependent on third-party stuff
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KartikPrabhu but I might change my mind :P
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kylewm cool, good luck sorry I can't help. I bet jquery really pollutes the search space for this sort of thing
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KartikPrabhu yeah. And there might be some specific word i need to use to describe this task that I don't know
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KartikPrabhu back to tinkering
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: I might be able to help with that JS, but not right this moment. Later tonight maybe.
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: got around that problem. :) thanks. now wondering why children.forEach does not in FF
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gRegor` on an ol, or li?
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rascul KartikPrabhu http://jsfiddle.net/rascul/7JtNR/
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rascul eh that doesn't seem to work in chromium
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KartikPrabhu rasul: yeah I ended up using a for loop too... the for (var child of huha) is interesting though... can you not do that with just for (var child of children) ?
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rascul i couldn't do it to children, don't really know why
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KartikPrabhu weird...
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rascul also weird that it isn't working for me in chromium
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: I got the <ol> using an id which is fine. then I want to do element.children.forEach(do stuff) and it doesn't work
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KartikPrabhu rascul: not working on chrome for me either
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rascul ok fixed it
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rascul chromium doesn't seem to like the for..of
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rascul same link i updated the base version
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KartikPrabhu hmm cool :)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/facebook/503237795/10152974515222796/36802236 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014 (webmention)
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@benwerd If you're at #osbridge, this Labyrinth-themed talk tomorrow is a must. You have no power over me! http://caseorganic.com/articles/2014/06/24/1/come-to-a-special-edition-indieweb-talk-at-open-source-bridge-june-25-2014-10-10-45a (twitter.com/_/status/481647114821173248)
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KartikPrabhu man MDN is so useful for JS references :D
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KartikPrabhu MDN++
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Loqi MDN has 4 karma
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kylewm MDN : w3schools :: cppreference : cplusplus.com
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snarfed eh. they're ok, but they all require an internet connection. go get dash, you'll thank me later
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snarfed http://kapeli.com/dash
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KartikPrabhu hmm will look into it. I probably can not code worth anything without internets :P
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KartikPrabhu all update on marginalia: https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia added JS stuff to copy marginalia to the correct spot and added a <button> to toggle their state from Show/Hide. Nothing visible happens yet (you can see stuff in DevTools of course) hopefully rest is CSS :)
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KartikPrabhu cc: JonathanNeal ^
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JonathanNeal Excited!
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JonathanNeal Should I see any active marginalia, KartikPrabhu?
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: not at the moment... but that should be CSS stuff that'll add shortly... I'll just make them appear for now in a minute.
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JonathanNeal Cool.
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: now the marginalia should just appear below the paragraph. might need hard refresh to load CSS. Have to fix some styles though.
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KartikPrabhu JonathanNeal: stole some fragmention.js code to find the element for a fragmention. Let me know if this is a problem. Also comments on improving marginalia.js would be very appreciated. JS n00b all the way
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KartikPrabhu doesn't really understand accessibility issues for using "display: none
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KartikPrabhu visibility: hidden;"
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gRegor` Hm. The age old "newer" and "older" links with arrows... which direction arrows and which order to put them in. I never seem pleased with it.
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: you mean time direction?
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gRegor` visibility doesn't remove it from the document flow, so it can still take up space on the page.
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gRegor` depending on the element.
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: yes. hence both visibility and display: none
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gRegor` (Didn't read up on the context, just replying to that last bit :)
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KartikPrabhu but don't know if both to be used or only display: none
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KartikPrabhu see: https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia for some marginalia fun! :D
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gRegor` Yeah, direction. I believe "older" should appear first, on the left, since that's most likely to be used. But I don't feel the arrow should point left.
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: I have seen both time directions used. Had plans long back on writing a post about it
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gRegor` Let me screenshot what I'm working on
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KartikPrabhu sweet!
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KartikPrabhu I also have to do some of that for my post/article lists
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gRegor` Yeah, I've seen various iterations and tried many. I start to like one, but then think about it more and then find something I don't like, haha.
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KartikPrabhu yup! same here. part of why I have postponed all of this. but someday I'll have to settle it for my site
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gRegor` It's been years, but I think that's why I settled on "Next" and "Previous" on my blog posts, no arraows, just links to the titles of adjacent blog posts.
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gRegor` I think I felt better about those words than "older"
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: one idea I had was to use up = newer and down = older keeping with the traditional vertical flow of time on blogposts
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: "next" and "prvious" is more ambiiguous
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gRegor` yeah, I'm playing with different unicode arrows at the moment.
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gRegor` How so?
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KartikPrabhu :)
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GWG I'd like to see the screenshot
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KartikPrabhu "next" means the next post you made in time (future), or the 'next' post to read (past)
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KartikPrabhu since blog lists usually have "past" as the next thing to read
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GWG I have this...
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GWG http://tiny.n9n.us/2014/04/19/twitter-test/
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gRegor` This is the crazy idea I'm playing with and kind of liking: http://snag.gy/LsfgA.jpg (This is for pagination on notes, btw.)
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GWG The back and forward
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gRegor` KartikPrabhu: My 'next' means the first. It's the next post I wrote.
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KartikPrabhu yeah. but that convention is again site dependent across the web. (sorry no data to back that up at the moment though)
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gRegor` I don't know... it's still time-based content of course, but I think my concept was to move away from some of the traditional blog formats and have standalone posts/articles, which is why I chose the single post view.
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gRegor` Yeah, you're right
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: very much support single-post-views
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KartikPrabhu which is exactly where this is a problem :(
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gRegor` Thoughts on my screenshot above?
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KartikPrabhu gregor`: that seems confusing. the left thing pointing to the right
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gRegor` I think my disconnect is that "next" (newest) content to the right, especially with an arrow, mimics real world content like a book or newspaper...
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gRegor` But the majority of our content online is reverse chronological.
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KartikPrabhu yup! part of the problem...
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gRegor` So an arrow pointing right to me should always point to older content.
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KartikPrabhu sorry I have no answers but more questions... having flashbacks to when I thought about this intently
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gRegor` I did have those switched, with the same curly arrows, but I realized more people are likely to click "older" so it should be first.
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gRegor` Haha, no problem
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gRegor` I'm mostly thinking out loud myself
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gRegor` I could stack them. "older" on top of "newer", same curly arrows
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gRegor` Or, I could sleep.
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gRegor` :)
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gRegor` G'night
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KartikPrabhu lol I even have a stub/draft of that on my old blogger post (https://paralleltransport.blogspot.com/b/post-preview?token=WWE700YBAAA.uKcsv5On18juqRjI2GTSpA.4jxTdh8UiNPLoYQbPIowVw&postId=1981351634170201881&type=POST) from 2012!
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KartikPrabhu should move all drafts from blogger to own site
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KartikPrabhu night gregor`
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tantek KartikPrabhu: yes move drafts to your own site! save your future!
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tantek !tell scor re: story re fidelity of data in HTML have not shared that elsewhere - that permalink is fine for now, but clearly with your interest and kylewm's I should write a post about it.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@jancborchardt RT @brennannovak: Interested in a better & more open web? Come learn & hack at #IndieWeb Camp 2014 in Berlin @agoracollective http://t.co/J… (twitter.com/_/status/481673298980651009)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: add my interest to that
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tantek KartikPrabhu: mostly I didn't think of blogging it as you wouldn't think of blogging a small group casual conversation
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tantek but I suppose I could blog my own points / words and that would be fine
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KartikPrabhu tantek: of course. :)
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tantek and perhaps Tim's questions would be ok too - as he just asked good critical questions
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KartikPrabhu i think the good critical questions are of most interest :)
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@jancborchardt Help develop & design for the #IndieWeb! It's IndieWebCamp in Berlin and elsewhere this weekend: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014 (twitter.com/_/status/481674061811290112)
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KartikPrabhu my interest in TBL's views are piqued because he was a physicist when he invented HTML :)
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KartikPrabhu oh man! I'm adding updates to marginalia as marginalia! margiception :D
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tantek KartikPrabhu: we'll see how that scales as you build the UI ;)
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KartikPrabhu I have a small UI working already. it just shows the marginalia under the paragraph :D that's the update I added
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tantek reloads
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KartikPrabhu tantek: might need a hard refresh for CSS
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tantek this is amazing
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KartikPrabhu :D also works on Android FF just tested!
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tantek KartikPrabhu: really looking forward to meeting you in NYC!
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tantek !!!!
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KartikPrabhu tantek: same here :)
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KartikPrabhu really hopes he makes his early morning flight given the chaotic timetable he's keeping
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cweiske benwerd, do you have a stream that contains all except the short notes?
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benwerd everything except the short notes? kinda - one moment
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@t #PDF14 talk "Why We Need the #IndieWeb" 13 minute video posted: https://www.youtube.com/ slides: http://tantek.com/presentations/2014/06/indieweb/ (ttk.me t4Wk1) (twitter.com/_/status/481682185359880192)
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@kartik_prabhu Workspace: 1.Chats+browser 2.HTML+JS+SASS #indieweb 3.tex+pdf files for physics paper 4.Python files for own site 5.math papers What a week! (twitter.com/_/status/481682273087926272)
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benwerd cweiske: This approximates that: http://werd.io/content/posts/photos/checkins/events/?_t=rss
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cweiske thanks. the notes are too much
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benwerd nods. I post a lot
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benwerd sorry
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KartikPrabhu has been wondering whether notes should be added in stream and feeds
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benwerd I've had a feature request a number of times for notes not showing up in peoples' feeds, and it'd obviously solve a volume problem for me
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tantek is happy benwerd has built an interface for himself that enables/encourages him to post often!
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KartikPrabhu nods at both statements :)
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@YoramBarzi RT @t: #PDF14 talk "Why We Need the #IndieWeb" 13 minute video posted: https://www.youtube.com/ slides: http://tantek.com/presentations/2014/06/indieweb/ (ttk.me t4Wk1) (twitter.com/_/status/481683362562592769)
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KartikPrabhu since I have only 2 post-types, i could get away with 2 kinds of feeds: Article/Notes/All
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KartikPrabhu s/2/3
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Loqi KartikPrabhu meant to say: since I have only 3 post-types, i could get away with 3 kinds of feeds: Article/Notes/All
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KartikPrabhu eh...
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benwerd tantek: 5429 posts since May 30, 2013 and counting
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@ff_I_retweet RT @kartik_prabhu: Workspace: 1.Chats+browser 2.HTML+JS+SASS #indieweb 3.tex+pdf files for physics paper 4.Python files for own site 5.math… (twitter.com/_/status/481683679547490304)
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@andigalpern RT @t: #PDF14 talk "Why We Need the #IndieWeb" 13 minute video posted: https://www.youtube.com/ slides: http://tantek.com/presentations/2014/06/indieweb/ (ttk.me t4Wk1) (twitter.com/_/status/481683755380121600)
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KartikPrabhu wonders why that got retweeted ^^
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@jlsuttles RT @t: #PDF14 talk "Why We Need the #IndieWeb" 13 minute video posted: https://www.youtube.com/ slides: http://tantek.com/presentations/2014/06/indieweb/ (ttk.me t4Wk1) (twitter.com/_/status/481683999228579841)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: looks like a good workspace
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tantek really needs to go to bed.
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KartikPrabhu too
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tantek is too excited for this week and weekend!
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KartikPrabhu too
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KartikPrabhu just "toos" tantek ;)
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KartikPrabhu alrighty! attempting sleep. gnight all!
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@jordan_web RT @t: #PDF14 talk "Why We Need the #IndieWeb" 13 minute video posted: https://www.youtube.com/ slides: http://tantek.com/presentations/2014/06/indieweb/ (ttk.me t4Wk1) (twitter.com/_/status/481684922802122753)
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@benwerd Tantek Çelik's wonderful Personal Democracy Forum talk, "Why We Need the IndieWeb": https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/481685222195359744)
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tantek bummer that the youtube link is lost here in IRC :/
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KartikPrabhu twitter--
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Loqi twitter has -3 karma
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tantek is it TWitter with t.co or is it Loqi?
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Loqi yeah!
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tantek goodnight Loqi
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Loqi gute nacht!
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@thierrymarianne RT @t: #PDF14 talk "Why We Need the #IndieWeb" 13 minute video posted: https://www.youtube.com/ slides: http://tantek.com/presentations/2014/06/indieweb/ (ttk.me t4Wk1) (twitter.com/_/status/481688202294865920)
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@rebeccagates RT @t: #PDF14 talk "Why We Need the #IndieWeb" 13 minute video posted: https://www.youtube.com/ slides: http://tantek.com/presentations/2014/06/indieweb/ (ttk.me t4Wk1) (twitter.com/_/status/481688876654682112)
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@krneticz RT @t: #PDF14 talk "Why We Need the #IndieWeb" 13 minute video posted: https://www.youtube.com/ slides: http://tantek.com/presentations/2014/06/indieweb/ (ttk.me t4Wk1) (twitter.com/_/status/481701697119854592)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/Johannes_Ernst/481575097740693504/16513061 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014 (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/Johannes_Ernst/481575097740693504/481575214413660160 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014 (webmention)
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@OuiShareLabs RT @jancborchardt: Help develop & design for the #IndieWeb! It's IndieWebCamp in Berlin and elsewhere this weekend: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014 (twitter.com/_/status/481717659533602818)
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@OuiShareLabs RT @JockelLohkamp: June 28th&29th @agoracollective welcomes #indieweb to host @indiewebcamp register at http://indiewebcamp.com/2014 #P2P @OuiSha… (twitter.com/_/status/481729472706904064)
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petermolnar is feeling ill after looking at the NextScripts: Social Networks Auto-Poster WordPress plugin code to see if there's a place to add API retweet/reply to Twitter
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petermolnar this code is a monster
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@domenicoperri I liked a @YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/ Tantek Celik, "Why We Need the IndieWeb", #PDF14 (twitter.com/_/status/481750982687076352)
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@nebu RT @t: #PDF14 talk "Why We Need the #IndieWeb" 13 minute video posted: https://www.youtube.com/ slides: http://tantek.com/presentations/2014/06/indieweb/ (ttk.me t4Wk1) (twitter.com/_/status/481751410141564928)
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@malcolmblaney RT @benwerd: Tantek Çelik's wonderful Personal Democracy Forum talk, "Why We Need the IndieWeb": https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/481755526322061312)
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@brennannovak @janl are you around / interested in attending #IndieWeb Camp this weekend? http://bnvk.me/B2y :) (twitter.com/_/status/481764536165609472)
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Loqi scor: tantek left you a message 6 hours, 27 minutes ago: re: story re fidelity of data in HTML have not shared that elsewhere - that permalink is fine for now, but clearly with your interest and kylewm's I should write a post about it.
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@jcbsnd RT @t: #PDF14 talk "Why We Need the #IndieWeb" 13 minute video posted: https://www.youtube.com/ slides: http://tantek.com/presentations/2014/06/indieweb/ (ttk.me t4Wk1) (twitter.com/_/status/481772634041221120)
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GWG petermolnar: I saw you looked at SNAP. I have to agree.
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GWG petermolnar: I have ideas on how to design a better syndication plugin, but I don't think I'm ready for that right now.
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petermolnar GWG I was wondering if I could add native retweet/reply to SNAP, the short answer is I do not like pain that much
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GWG petermolnar: I had thought the solution was a Bridgy Publish Plugin.
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@janl IndieWeb Camp this weekend in Berlin: https://brennannovak.com/notes/472 — You should all come! (twitter.com/_/status/481782138531229696)
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petermolnar I disagree a bit: I'd like have the option to manually specify, sometimes even per post what content should exactly be posted to the silos
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@hoodiehq RT @janl: IndieWeb Camp this weekend in Berlin: https://brennannovak.com/notes/472 — You should all come! (twitter.com/_/status/481782417456627714)
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@CouchDB RT @janl: IndieWeb Camp this weekend in Berlin: https://brennannovak.com/notes/472 — You should all come! (twitter.com/_/status/481782421743239169)
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@berlinjs RT @janl: IndieWeb Camp this weekend in Berlin: https://brennannovak.com/notes/472 — You should all come! (twitter.com/_/status/481782436712693762)
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petermolnar one question though: would you rather do an all-in-one social poster plugin ( with repost/reply/comment/etc and a readable code ) or do one-by-one plugins per service?
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petermolnar Loqi you're oversharing
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petermolnar GWG I'd really like to have a working & usable plugin, so I probably start working on a POSSE names plugin for Wordpress, first only for Twitter & Facebook
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petermolnar s/names/named
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: GWG I'd really like to have a working & usable plugin, so I probably start working on a POSSE named plugin for Wordpress, first only for Twitter & Facebook
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GWG petermolnar: If you design it right, then the services can be add-on options to a handler plugin
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GWG petermolnar: Basically, the way Bridgy turns the services it supports into a common control language.
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michielbdejong on http://indiewebcamp.com/Projects it says "[Known] can be installed on a website and will get you on the IndieWeb.", but on https://github.com/idno/idno states "an installable package is not yet available"
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GWG petermolnar: So, the same actions are possible, but they translate to the equivalent on that service.
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petermolnar that is probably the best approach
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petermolnar what I'd like to differ from the current ones is to have the app id/token/etc per author not globally
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petermolnar for the api access
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GWG petermolnar: You want multiple authors?
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cweiske michielbdejong, so you have to install it manually from git
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petermolnar hm
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petermolnar if this is and indieweb plugin, there's not need for multiple authors, that is true :D
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michielbdejong cweiske: right. I'll create a Dockerfile for it!
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cweiske petermolnar, can't you run a single wordpress instance for multiple domains?
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GWG petermolnar: I'd say doing it that way would add complexity.
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GWG petermolnar: I'd rather add complexity around functionality than multi-user, personally.
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petermolnar cweiske you can, that is what Multisite/network is for
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petermolnar GWG true, so per site should be enough, but per site one account for each network or multiple accounts for each network?
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GWG petermolnar: Start with one, but design for the possibility of multiple ones.
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GWG petermolnar: Make it a class, so you can have multiple instances?
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GWG Then at least you have the possibility
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petermolnar I really need to revive my coding skills, but I'll do my best
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petermolnar I can't find the who's working on what page on the wiki, can someone please point it out?
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GWG petermolnar: I'm a horrible coder. I'm a better idea guy.
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GWG petermolnar: http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress/Development
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GWG petermolnar: There is one thing I would suggest. The output should have templates. If you look at SNAP, it only allows you one default. But, a note output to Twitter is different than a full article output.
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petermolnar is indieauth working for everyone else?
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GWG petermolnar: Right now?
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petermolnar yep
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GWG Haven't checked, one sec
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petermolnar templating is a good idea
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GWG Yes. Bit slow...
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GWG Also previewing.
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petermolnar previewing is a bit tricky and that might only be a future feature :)
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mcepl looking at http://t.co/1bSM8BP0C1 and I have only question ... I need something which would be just yum installable on my server. Where do I have Twitter/WordPress/whatever-clone which I don't have to write myself?
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cweiske I doubt that there is something yum-installable
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mcepl (and yes, I need XMPP-style transports ... Twitter, pump.io, Facebook?)
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cweiske status.net, now gnu social, is the closest you get to a twitter clone
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cweiske which might be in yum
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mcepl cweiske: well, I can make a package, just something which would be really something packaged, not weird set of hacks.
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cweiske mcepl, then known/idno would be the best option I think
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GWG petermolnar: Good to have a roadmap.
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cweiske benwerd is doing it as a product to sell
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cweiske so it's meant to be widely used
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mcepl cweiske: URL?
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petermolnar GWG I'll be away for the weekend, but I'll try to put a roadmap and some initial scratch together asap
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cweiske http://indiewebcamp.com/Known
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cweiske http://withknown.com/
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cweiske https://github.com/idno/idno
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@brennannovak RT @janl: IndieWeb Camp this weekend in Berlin: https://brennannovak.com/notes/472 — You should all come! (twitter.com/_/status/481787902297645057)
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GWG petermolnar: I'm happy to help with ideas. I just still have the Wordpress theme, the taxonomy plugin, the comments plugin, and the location plugin to hack away on.
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petermolnar "just" :)
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GWG petermolnar: You are welcome to make suggestions for those.
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petermolnar I'm just collecting my ideas ( and because the nature of brainstorming, it's in Hungarian ) for now, I'll put a page on the wiki for Wordpress-POSSE when I have at least a scratch
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petermolnar I scratch of ideas
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petermolnar s/I/I mean/
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Loqi petermolnar meant to say: I mean scratch of ideas
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GWG I unfortunately don't speak Hungarian.
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GWG pfefferle: That update responded to your response
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pfefferle GWG just read it… and now the before and after filters are definitively making sense! good point
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GWG pfefferle: The other idea is to add a single e-content filter outside the div that indicates e-content.
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pfefferle petermolnar GWG do you know https://wordpress.org/plugins/keyring/ … it helps authenticating against most popular silos, so you can fokus on implementing the posse stuff
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petermolnar no, I did not, this is helpful :)
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petermolnar thank you
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pfefferle petermolnar you’re welcome… I did some research a few days ago because of the same reasons ;)
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GWG Can we agree that anyone who implements a POSSE plugin will write and include a function for returning the syndicated URL?
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petermolnar that is kind of obvious imho :)
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pfefferle GWG sure! this is a ”žhave to“ ;)
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GWG petermolnar: Not to the current developers. They don't always care about third-parties working with their plugin.
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petermolnar "I don't always care about third-parties working with my plugins, but when I do, I make the code impossible to read" this could come from a SNAP dev's mouth
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_amz3_ (no backlog) «Publish then Subscript» low-wall is not ready yet.
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GWG pfefferle: Would you have a p-summary on everything and then hide it with CSS?
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pfefferle GWG I don’t like hiding things in HTML
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GWG Oh?
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@chrischerrett This is superb - https://www.youtube.com/ #IndieWeb. Own your identity. (twitter.com/_/status/481798535797825537)
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@chrischerrett This is superb - https://www.youtube.com/ #IndieWeb. Own your identity. http://indiewebcamp.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/481798694980030464)
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pfefferle GWG the view is for users first, so it should only include visible stuff
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GWG pfefferle: Unrelated question, should the page links for paginated posts be inside e-content or outside it?
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pfefferle GWG it doesn’t matter, because the rel-value depends on the ”žpage“ and not on the ”žcontent“ and is always parsed as a ”žpage“-attribute
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pfefferle GWG we are talking about rel-prev, rel-next, don’t we?
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GWG Yes, and wp_link_pages
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GWG But _s, which my theme is based, puts it in entry-content.
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pfefferle GWG that doesn’t break the mfs, if that is your question
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GWG pfefferle: Look at https://github.com/dshanske/mf2_bootstrap/commit/6dbd05b5f35399ac0744f978791b3ef664b9b152
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GWG pfefferle: I turned 2 filters into one
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GWG Trying to simplify
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pfefferle nice
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GWG pfefferle: I liberated the entry-header/entry-footer/entry-content from you
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GWG It should make the creation of post formats and such easier when I get to those content- files
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pfefferle yes, and you don’t have much redundant code
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GWG I do need to fix the header though
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GWG http://tiny.n9n.us/
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GWG Those grey boxes are placeholders for elements
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GWG The 200x200 in the header is a placeholder for a logo/picture
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pfefferle GWG do you know http://placehold.it ???
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GWG The wide one is if I wanted text instead of a logo/picture and then a banner image next to it.
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GWG No. But that helps
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GWG I also have 300 width box which could be a bio box or alternate image placement.
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pfefferle GWG and it seems you have problems with the sidebar on singleviews
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pfefferle http://tiny.n9n.us/tag/favorite/
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GWG pfefferle: Haven't worked on it yet.
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pfefferle ok
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GWG Not single views, archive views
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GWG Single views work
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pfefferle oh yes, sorry… :)
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GWG Haven't gotten to any archive views
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GWG I want to do a custom author archive
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GWG But first I want to finish up on home page and single view.
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GWG I also have a bunch of cleanup ideas to make the code more readable.
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GWG Okay, that looks better
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GWG The content looks pretty boring with the taxonomy plugin turned off
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GWG pfefferle, petermolnar
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GWG http://code.tutsplus.com/articles/writing-better-apis-and-libraries-for-wordpress--wp-33601
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petermolnar checking
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pfefferle thanks
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GWG The points are exactly what I was just mentioning about people not writing functions for other people
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petermolnar I think I've adopted most of the points already
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petermolnar but thank you for the link
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GWG So have I, but it was nice when it just came up on my feed reader to see I'm not alone.
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GWG I'm trying to figure out how to describe that in indieweb terms
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GWG "Scratch your own itch, but it doesn't hurt to think about other people's itches."
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@almereyda @Alsinosko Come to @indiewebcamp this weekend. Session by @brennannovak and @jancborchardt at @agoracollective. https://brennannovak.com/notes/472 (twitter.com/_/status/481819015258841088)
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@veganstraightedge Watch @t's talk from #PDF14 : "Why We Need the #IndieWeb" (13 minutes long) https://www.youtube.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/481821923572068353)
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@Alsinosko @almereyda @indiewebcamp @brennannovak @jancborchardt @agoracollective Sounds like a Great Event! Will definitely swing by. (twitter.com/_/status/481822394597015552)
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kylewm snarfed: reverse engineering facebook permalinks--
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snarfed kylewm: heh agreed
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snarfed smash all the words together and karma it! :P
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kylewm facebook--
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Loqi facebook has -3 karma
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kylewm take that, Zuck
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bnvk facebook—
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bnvk just becasue
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bnvk facebook--
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bnvk heh
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aaronpk amber's talk starts in less than an hour!
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pdurbin heh
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aaronpk i'll live stream the talk again
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kylewm caseorganic++ good luck, have fun, break a leg and all that
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@gRegorLove .@macleaney and #IndieWebCamp in 3 days! http://gregorlove.com/2014/06/1183/ (twitter.com/_/status/481838285459689475)
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@forsurerad RT @janl: IndieWeb Camp this weekend in Berlin: https://brennannovak.com/notes/472 — You should all come! (twitter.com/_/status/481838353260617729)
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@buddycloud RT @janl: IndieWeb Camp this weekend in Berlin: https://brennannovak.com/notes/472 — You should all come! (twitter.com/_/status/481839297633718272)
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bear ugh - Nigeria v Argentina match, Google I/O and soon Amber's talk -- too many cool things
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GWG bear, record?
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bear yea, I/O I can watch later
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aaronpk https://talky.io/indieweb
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aaronpk starting in a few minutes
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aaronpk bear: does talky.io flip the video or is that my camera driver doing it?
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bear your driver
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aaronpk i don't even know where to go to change that
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bear laptop or phone?
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aaronpk laptop
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aaronpk actually wait maybe it's just the preview that's flipped?
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bear chrome FF?
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bear that could be
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aaronpk feel free to hop on the stream now
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aaronpk https://talky.io/indieweb
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bear looks good to me
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aaronpk ok cool
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bear love the wig
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aaronpk smaller room, so I hope the sound is ok
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bear it's great
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@hiMannyLopez David Bowie is giving a talk! Intro to the IndieWeb. #osb14 https://twitter.com/hiMannyLopez/status/481845254090289152/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/481845254090289152)
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@bretolius RT @hiMannyLopez: David Bowie is giving a talk! Intro to the IndieWeb. #osb14 https://twitter.com/hiMannyLopez/status/481845254090289152/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/481845296129769472)
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tantek yeah! go caseorganic!
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@kronda Listening to @ambercase talk about #indieweb and owning your data. (and ironically tweeting about it). (twitter.com/_/status/481845677291339777)
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bear if you are joining the talky session you can mute and hold - you will see/hear the video but transmit nothing back
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aaronpk bear: sounds like a feature request to me ;) a "broadcast" mode for talky
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bear yea, we are working on that
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aaronpk sweet
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tantek awesome surveillance slide with the double bowies!
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@ungoldman ️Escaping the Labyrinth - Jareth sets up for an #IndieWeb preso at #osb14 http://instagram.com/p/prMCaNu1MB/ (twitter.com/_/status/481845958440157184)
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tantek bear, or even just a "watch" mode
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bear broadcast and also a audio-only mode
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bear for people on cell phones or bad networks
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bear i'll have a demo this weekend of the version that uses the video bridge - so it's not full-mesh network
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tantek hmm did talky crash?
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bear it may have on your side - I saw "connection issues" for your session
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@skry indieweb: @caseorganic cosplaying Aladdin Sane. #osb14 (twitter.com/_/status/481846647576461312)
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bret is the video having problems?
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bear i'm connected via talky and it's doing fine
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bret mkay
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bear tantek - if that is you connected showing a paper over your camera - just click on the "hold" button
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bear it will stop your stream but continue to show amber
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bear now I only see a black square for you
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bret !!! good to know
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tantek yup that was fuzzy red from my EFF privacy sticker :)
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bear :)
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bear and "mute" will turn off your mic
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tantek wants one button for both :)
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bear :)
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tantek (as a temporary solution until a more global/finessed solution is designed/built)
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bear right now the devs are working on the video bridge and more browser support
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tantek needs to re-watch Labyrinth
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bear she is doing an amazing Labryinth Bowie impression!
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tantek this is so good.
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tantek "be wary of masquerades" - so true!!!
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bear agreed
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@kyle_wm RT @hiMannyLopez: David Bowie is giving a talk! Intro to the IndieWeb. #osb14 https://twitter.com/hiMannyLopez/status/481845254090289152/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/481849592221151232)
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tantek guess it's time to make an apprentices section for East!
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bear oh cool - that is a good sign for East
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tantek it may have been unintentional, but when someone with a domain signs-up someone without one - the only logical assumption for us is that they're an apprentice
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bear that feels right
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tantek getting a lot of first-timers at East
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tantek going to be fun explaining how IndieWebCamp works
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tantek likely going to challenge a few assumptions
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bear nods
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aaronpk Ooh live demo time
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bret someone send a cross site comment
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bret XD
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@caseorganic @osbridge Showing #posse #indieweb! (http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/06/25/1/posse-indieweb) (twitter.com/_/status/481850730987286529)
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@kronda @caseorganic That’s rad. @osbridge #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/481851060240146432)
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@lsblakk RT @kronda: Listening to @ambercase talk about #indieweb and owning your data. (and ironically tweeting about it). (twitter.com/_/status/481851130721218560)
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benwerd So this is a fun thing. aaronpk, I know you're recording quantified self data - I'd love to talk about how to improve display / storage of this stuff sometime this weekend. http://davidwiley.social/2014/morning-run---i-ran-38-miles-at-1130mile-pace
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@EllaDurham Could you imagine if email was not interoperable? We should be able to communicate across social silos. @caseorganic on the #indieweb #osb14 (twitter.com/_/status/481851505675223040)
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aaronpk benwerd awesome yeah!
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tantek these live demos are ROCKING!
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aaronpk When are you in town btw?
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benwerd lateish tomorrow night
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tantek aaronpk - can p3k auto-tweet photos that show up from IG?
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tantek with the photo POSSEd to Twitter?
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aaronpk I do want to add that, but selectively
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benwerd (I just got that exact feature request yesterday)
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bret wow this is a crazy demo!
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bret totally working great
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aaronpk I don't actually want to post all my Instagram photos to twitter
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tantek aaronpk - it helps with getting comments on your photos from people on Twitter, rather than just people on IG
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aaronpk Yeah definitely some of them id want to tweet
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tantek looks like Fcns.eu added another apprentice too: http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?title=2014%2FGuest_List&action=historysubmit&diff=10456&oldid=10451
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aaronpk And that would actually provide a better experience since I could upload a native twitter photo, but twitter only shows a link to Instagram rather than the preview
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tantek exactly
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tantek hence why I suggested it
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bret hey caseorganic!
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benwerd Howdy!
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bear waves to caseorganic
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tantek aaronpk - could even do that with a private IG account, no followers, purely using IG as transport - zero social interaction / public publishing
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tantek just got a talky network hiccup
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aaronpk Is it still going ok? I'm not at my laptop
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benwerd hopes someone asks caseorganic what kind of magic spells she uses
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aaronpk We need a clearer answer to the webmention spam question
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tantek aaronpk - we have a clear answer - we have not figured it out yet.
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tantek currently webmention is *just as vulnerable* as pingbck
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tantek s/pingbck/pingback
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Loqi tantek meant to say: currently webmention is *just as vulnerable* as pingback
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tantek we must be up front about this
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tantek scientific forthrightness and all that
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@cstanhope RT @hiMannyLopez: David Bowie is giving a talk! Intro to the IndieWeb. #osb14 https://twitter.com/hiMannyLopez/status/481845254090289152/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/481853571130867712)
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snarfed re spam, i think we at least have *a* story
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benwerd What's happening on Thursday morning? I didn't catch that
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tantek snarfed, oh? care to tell it?
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snarfed basically, you use a spam filter, just like all other broadcast comm platforms (e.g. email)
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bear local to Portland IndieWeb breakfast
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benwerd neat. I'll let erinjo know
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tantek benwerd - indieweb breakfast
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snarfed e.g. akismet for wordpress, and other servers that integrate with it (easy to do)
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snarfed not perfect, but there's no perfect spam solution
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snarfed the long pole is arguably just implementation. not many indieweb platforms integrate wwith a spam filter today
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tantek benwerd, you mean it didn't show up in your Known indie event aggregator? ;)
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aaronpk I like the answer of: Webmention doesn't attempt to solve spam, it's just solving that pingback was difficult to implement. Spam is a separate problem to solve.
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tantek aaronpk, yes
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benwerd tantek - one day I will have an indieweb aggregator on my smartwatch that lets me know about events and geofences local recommendations based on data saved on my friends' own homepages. But, er, not today.
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bnvk such indie
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benwerd Hey, maybe we can develop the beginnings of an aggregator this weekend.
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aaronpk Add it to the sessions list!
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kylewm Happy Enchill, that's a great name
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tantek benwerd: "suggested events" ;)
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@jancborchardt @xmartin @mrflix @galfert @skddc @chmac @mmmuks @danimo you going to be at #IndieWebCamp Berlin? https://brennannovak.com/notes/472 (twitter.com/_/status/481854822678024193)
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@EduPunkN00b RT @t: #PDF14 talk "Why We Need the #IndieWeb" 13 minute video posted: https://www.youtube.com/ slides: http://tantek.com/presentations/2014/06/indieweb/ (ttk.me t4Wk1) (twitter.com/_/status/481855132397608962)
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tantek bnvk - did you mean to add your apprentice Anna Saulwick to West Apprentices?
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tantek I just added a Farther East Apprentices section in case you meant to say she is going to be attending in Berlin
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benwerd What do we need most? More people to own their own websites and start publishing awesome things from their own spaces!
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tantek bnvk: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List#Farther_East_Apprentices
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@kronda If you’re inspired to get a domain name after @ambercase’s #indieweb talk, try @hover or @namecheap #osb14 #nogodaddy (twitter.com/_/status/481855656513658880)
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aaronpk benwerd: took the words right out if my mouth!
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benwerd rockin
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tantek benwerd: What do we need most? For you to scratch the next most important itch on your own personal site.
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tantek aaronpk - that's a theoretical non-personal question, make it personal
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bnvk tantek: oops, I didn't realize that was "West" specific- assumed it was a Global apprecentices
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benwerd tantek: If they have a personal site at all. Looking forward to showing off some itch-scratching this weekend though ;)
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bnvk will update
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tantek do YOU want to post private content to your site?
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tantek do YOU want to post a limited access event to your own site?
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tantek or RSVP?
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finchd so about how big should my server be to host some of this? (known maybe?) trying to decide on VPS versus not doing this until next year and colo-ing
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benwerd desperately wants privacy. Back to the proposed sessions list ...
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tantek we'll get private posts working when that is the next most important itch on someone's own personal site.
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tantek benwerd - opportunity cost - how important is private posts TO YOU compared to everything else you want on your own personal site
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bear finchd - the beauty is that since this is your data it does not take a lot of server power
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aaronpk I am interested as well, given that there are quite a few rsvps on Facebook that I don't want to be private
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bear so any site that can run the software framework you pick
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aaronpk But it's not the next most important thing I want to do
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@EduPunkN00b Hey, @doctorow, have you come across @indiewebcamp yet? You seem made for each other. (twitter.com/_/status/481856364038221824)
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tantek no problem bnvk - I can fix - was in there anyway
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finchd bear: I'm a sysadmin by trade, having someone host doesn't sound hard enough :p
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finchd bear: i'm looking at (is a 256MB VPS big enough to get started, and still run my ZNC bouncer)?
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bear finchd - :) without knowing how much elbow grease you wish to apply… but yes, the vast majority will work jsut fine with a normal vps
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tantek gRegor`: heads-up, your apprentice's image_url appears to be broken: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List#West_Apprentices
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bear finchd - I would say yes
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tantek !tell gRegor`: heads-up, your apprentice's image_url appears to be broken: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List#West_Apprentices
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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bear finchd - your going to be handling dozens of requests per minute - not exactly internet scale ;)
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tantek by the way looks like a big new contingent is coming to IndieWebCamp East: FOUR people affiliated with the CrossCloud project
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bear sweet
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bear we may need a bigger room :)
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tantek bear - not yet, we're good
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benwerd nice
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@SudieHarmann RT @kronda: If you’re inspired to get a domain name after @ambercase’s #indieweb talk, try @hover or @namecheap #osb14 #nogodaddy (twitter.com/_/status/481857199728128000)
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tantek more of a heads-up like we'll have to work explicitly to possibly break them out of a potential "we have the solution" mindset
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tantek aka resembling monoculture
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tantek just something to look out for
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bear yes, that is an easy trap to fall into when you have a built-in echo chamber
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benwerd it's a _great_ time for them to be coming to this though - right after the knight award
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tantek benwerd - I strongly encourage you to start an "Itches" section on http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Werd.io where you list "Private Posts" and whatever else you really want on your own personal site. even if it's just a simple flat list.
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tantek benwerd - and order it by which itches the most
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benwerd oh, I actually did have that on the idno page. Yes, will do that. Right now.
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bear lunches
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tantek benwerd - totally fine to keep it on the idno page
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tantek er, /Known#Itches
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benwerd I think it's vastly out of date
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benwerd Known itches might also be different to my own werd.io itches
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tantek however, now that you have multiple people actively working on Idno, you might want to move *your* Itches to /User:werd.io#Itches
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benwerd exactly
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benwerd writing now :)
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@jancborchardt RT @janl: IndieWeb Camp this weekend in Berlin: https://brennannovak.com/notes/472 — You should all come! (twitter.com/_/status/481858097095651328)
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tantek right - fine to keep one list if it's a solo list
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tantek er, solo project
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tantek once you have a partner, better to keep your own itches lists, and a collective one for the project
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finchd caseorganic: I wanted to ask, how did the community choose mediawiki of the opensource wikis? I've been looking at a wiki for work, and couldn't decide
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tantek finchd, couldn't decide among what options?
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Loqi gRegor`: tantek left you a message 7 minutes ago: heads-up, your apprentice's image_url appears to be broken: http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List#West_Apprentices
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gRegor` There isn't one, tantek
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tantek gRegor`: How about http://amandamaclean.com/about.htm ?
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tantek gRegor`: or the photo here: http://www.reverbnation.com/amandammaclean ?
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tantek (following the links from the URL in the RSVP)
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benwerd will stop now
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finchd tantek: found a wiki of wikis when i was looking, sorting out all the closed source once left ~20 wikis with different storage backends
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gRegor` Yah, guess I could use the latter. A photo of her holding a camera isn't a great avatar photo on the former. :)
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gRegor` I didn't think a photo was required
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gRegor` just got her set up with indieauth to sign her in :)
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tantek finchd - short answer - MediaWiki is the open wiki UX that most people on the planet are familiar with thanks to Wikipedia, therefore it is the logical first choice for a new open source wiki on that basis alone as long as you don't mine the MediaWiki maintenance (which we are fortunate aaronpk is good at).
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tantek gRegor`: not required but certainly does personalize/humanize the RSVPs
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tantek and gives people a chance to start learning names/faces even before the IWC itself - helps enable friendlier interactions right from the start
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tantek is really enjoying reading http://indiewebcamp.com/User:Werd.io#Itches and the insights therein.
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finchd tantek: ooh, fair enough. thanks and many much internet points to you!
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gRegor` tantek: Added :)
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benwerd Do other people have itches lists on their user pages? I'd love to read them
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tantek benwerd - plenty do
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tantek it's been something we've been encouraging for a while
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benwerd cool. clicking around
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tantek a way to help people focus their energy on what a) matters to them *personally*, and b) that they feel empowered to actually *do* (rather than just talk about)
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tantek benwerd, whenver someone makes a feature request, or starts asking "do you guys support x?", or "it would be cool if …", or "I have an idea for …" - respond by redirecting the conversation to personal itches
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tantek i.e. "What is the next most important itch on your own personal site?"
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tantek keep asking that over and over and make them answer. then make them write it down on their user page.
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tantek then make them work on *that* instead of whatever they were *talking* about.
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benwerd tantek: Yes. Definitely. Otherwise you end up in what I call spanner-land - things that are spanners in the works for hypothetical reasons
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tantek I am going to call this question the scratchyourownitch challenge-response protocol.
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bret lol
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tantek when someone starts talking about/in indieweb, they are implicitly doing a resource request for your time.
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tantek for security reasons (avoid DOPA), you must follow the scratchyourownitch challenge-response protocol
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benwerd related, btw - we open sourced the materials we used to do user research: https://github.com/idno/User-Research
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tantek which starts by the listening party asking the question "What is the next most important itch on your own personal site?"
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tantek and continue to asking it until the first speaker has answered it with something specific and concrete.
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tantek once they have passed that test, follow-up with "Great! Add it to your user page's Itches section"
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tantek once they have done so, if they bring up any other topic, repeat with the original challenge-response question.
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tantek eventually they will run out of things to add to their itches, or start coding.
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tantek benwerd++ for open source user research!
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tantek benwerd, hope you don't mind the linky linky - just trying to help connect your itches to existing thinking/doing in case it helps make it easier to scratch them!
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benwerd tantek - definitely don't mind. Thank you!
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tantek benwerd, I myself am keeping two lists, "Working On" http://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Working_On and "Itches" http://indiewebcamp.com/Falcon#Itching
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tantek Working On are things where I have made *some* progress with UX, code etc. and thus am "in the middle of" implementing. Roughly ordered by personal priority.
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tantek Itches is used to capture everything else I want on my site but haven't started coding yet.
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tantek again, ordered roughly by personal priority
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tantek I figured the distinction would help if anyone else came by and wanted to work on similar things
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KartikPrabhu people seen this: http://www.google.com/design/spec/material-design/introduction.html ?
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kylewm there is also http://indiewebcamp.com/p3k#Itching
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gRegor` My interests (itches) section is more up to date now
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@caseorganic IndieWebCamp: this wknd @esripdx+@nytimes! RSVP w/your domain name! http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List #indieweb http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/06/25/5/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/481866131943084032)
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Loqi [mention] http://caseorganic.com/notes/2014/06/25/5/indieweb linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List (webmention)
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benwerd tantek - that's fascinating reading. Thank you again.
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@caseorganic At @osbridge and interested in #indieweb? Come to bkfst tmrw 7:30a-9a! http://aaronparecki.com/events/2014/06/26/1/indiewebcamp-breakfast (twitter.com/_/status/481866916005294081)
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gRegor` I like the Falcon logo, tantek.
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aaronpk hmm need a good header photo for indieweb event pages
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tantek thanks much benwerd - appreciated
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tantek I'm trying really hard to minimize any private to-do lists for Falcon beyond just links to within the /Falcon page as reminders.
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tantek "doing" the working in the open thing instead of just "talking" about it ;)
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tantek thanks gRegor`! I've been a fan of gliders for a while, and I thought that particular phase in the glider lifecycle looked kind of like a falcon swooping down to pick something up.
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gRegor` gliders?
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tantek gRegor`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glider_%28Conway%27s_Life%29
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gRegor` Oh, sweet
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kylewm tantek: that's awesome, everyone uses the coathanger phase
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kylewm falcon phase is instantly recognizable though
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tantek thanks. yes I figured this more esoteric phase was more interesting for that aspect ;)
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tantek ^^^ well done with the recruitment caseorganic!
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bret woohoo!
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tantek West is getting big!
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@AaronVanDerlip Super jazzed about the #indieweb movement. (twitter.com/_/status/481873592540348416)
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tantek caseorganic++ for an awesome Labyrinth themed IndieWeb talk and getting new recruits to sign-up for IndieWebCamp this weekend!
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aaronpk blarg! what happened with these invites? http://aaronparecki.com/events/2014/06/26/1/indiewebcamp-breakfast
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tantek awesome! probably via Bridgy :D (snarfed ^^^)
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tantek aaronpk - just an opportunity to improve the "who's invited" display/facepile on your indie event posts ;)
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aaronpk i'mw wondering what happened with the markup in the invitation, I see facebook tag IDs and such :(
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aaronpk true :)
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aaronpk assuming there's markup indicating as such
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aaronpk lunch!
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kylewm see: https://brid-gy.appspot.com/rsvp/facebook/11500459/1449931115256635/616418667
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kylewm sorry that is probably not helpful
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@i_tsukanov @osbridge great event for anyone interested in #opensource #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/481875234891370496)
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snarfed aaronpk: looks like the problem is there's no p-rsvp in bridgy's event invites
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snarfed …maybe because when i implemented rsvps (many months ago), we didn't yet know what the mf2 should be
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snarfed maybe we do now? not seeing anything on http://indiewebcamp.com/event, and "tracking" on http://microformats.org/wiki/rsvp-brainstorming#h-entry_plus_additions doesn't seem quite right
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kylewm the link i sent before changed from is invited to might attend!
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tantek see /invitation
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snarfed ah, thanks tantek
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tantek :)
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KartikPrabhu waaa! I missed the Labyrinth-talk! :(
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tantek snarfed, that page / brainstorm has received very little critical review so please do so and feel free to speak if *anything* seems off / inaccurate.
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snarfed tantek: will do
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tantek would be interesting if Bridgy is the first to actually publish "invitation" posts with their own permalinks!
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tantek (I don't think that's happened to a post type before - that is - a proxy service being the first to post them!)
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snarfed the race is on. :P i'm curious if aaronpk (or anyone else) has implemented p-invitee on the webmention receiving side
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tantek specifically per step 4 here: http://indiewebcamp.com/invitation#Invitation_user_flow
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tantek or http://indiewebcamp.com/invitation##handles%20receiving%20that%20invitation%20webmention
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@mmmuks @jancborchardt I am at the sticksnstones with @getOFFTIME on Saturday. But Sunday would work. I check it out! #IndieWebCamp (twitter.com/_/status/481889520645070848)
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benwerd They don't make it easy to screenshare from an Android phone :|
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aaronpk benwerd: isn't there a way to do it via adb or something? pretty sure i've seen that done
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benwerd there's a way to do it with java mods, the android sdk, etc etc, or by rooting the phone
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donpdonp KitKat (and possibly earlier) will do a screenshot by holding power+volume_down
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benwerd screenshots are fine
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benwerd I want to cast :)
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benwerd I just found a way though - VNC over a USB cable.
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benwerd Of all things. But it works.
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aaronpk in the Civilizing IRC and forums talk. no video recording of this one.
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kylewm the count at the top should include apprentices right?
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tantek kylewm yes it should - see how I broke it down for easy accounting with the East section
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tantek http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Guest_List#East
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aaronpk taking notes here in case anyone is intereted https://etherpad.mozilla.org/civilizingirc
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kylewm thanks aaronpk
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk++ for notes on civilising IRC
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Loqi aaronpk has 505 karma
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KartikPrabhu damn so much karma for aaronpk
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KartikPrabhu rememeber karma is a *$^@#
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@kevinmarks RT @caseorganic: At @osbridge and interested in #indieweb? Come to bkfst tmrw 7:30a-9a! http://aaronparecki.com/events/2014/06/26/1/indiewebcamp-breakfast (twitter.com/_/status/481903035312902144)
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@benwerd RT @caseorganic: At @osbridge and interested in #indieweb? Come to bkfst tmrw 7:30a-9a! http://aaronparecki.com/events/2014/06/26/1/indiewebcamp-breakfast (twitter.com/_/status/481903091109752832)
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@kevinmarks RT @kronda: If you’re inspired to get a domain name after @ambercase’s #indieweb talk, try @hover or @namecheap #osb14 #nogodaddy (twitter.com/_/status/481903155118997504)
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tantek I thought there was a good consensus here about gandi.net for domain names
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KevinMarks I use hover
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KevinMarks google is apparently going to give each io attendee a free domain
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tantek first year's free :P
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finchd tantek: i've been heavily recommended to nearlyfreespeech.net for domains
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rascul what about gandi? i like gandi
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rascul gandi was (still is?) also the cheapest for .io
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rascul https://www.gandi.net/no-bullshit
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KartikPrabhu add to : http://indiewebcamp.com/domain_name_registrar
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tantek finchd, rascul - could you add that (with those links!) to http://indiewebcamp.com/domain_name_registrar#Opinions.2FRecommendations
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tantek oh heh - thanks KartikPrabhu :)
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donpdonp $39/yr for .io, thats cheap (gandi)
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KartikPrabhu woah second time I beat you tantek... you're getting rusty ;)
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@lsblakk RT @kronda: If you’re inspired to get a domain name after @ambercase’s #indieweb talk, try @hover or @namecheap #osb14 #nogodaddy (twitter.com/_/status/481904224163209216)
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@mindypreston RT @kronda: If you’re inspired to get a domain name after @ambercase’s #indieweb talk, try @hover or @namecheap #osb14 #nogodaddy (twitter.com/_/status/481904455852371968)
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tantek in reading the etherpad about civilizingirc - it sounds like a lot of the problems can be (are?) avoided by the scratchyourownitch challenge-response
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tantek i.e. if someone has lots of free time, continuing to redirect them to *create* for their own website hopefully gets them working on that rather than just talking a lot in the channel
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tantek aaronpk, perhaps you can volunteer our code-of-conduct including the research we did for it
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aaronpk she's talking specifically about the Cydia community, which is people trying to jailbreak their own phones, not sure how you can scratch your own itch more than that, heh
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tantek hah - that's pretty funny
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tantek and true
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tantek "what is the next most important to you thing that you want to do with your device?"
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tantek ;)
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tantek I also think having a wiki as an outlet for longer form collaborative writing makes a *huge* difference. Does the Cydia community have a wiki that they presumably push longer IRC text to?
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aaronpk they have a forum for that instead
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tantek oh dear
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aaronpk heh
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KartikPrabhu oh boy
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KartikPrabhu forum--
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tantek that's like worse than an email list :(
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tantek forum--
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aaronpk very similar challenges between the two tho
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aaronpk IRC + forum that is
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tantek irc *is* the forum
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tantek caseorganic *nailed* it in her presentation
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tantek a wiki makes people collaborate on incrementally improving each others' work
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KartikPrabhu my friend one remarked "forums are millions of people repeating the same 3 statements ad nauseum" paraphrased quote
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tantek rather than email (or forums) which encourage incrementally nitpicking and tearing down each others' words
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rascul forums can get stupid, only a few cases do i think forums are appropriate
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bear my dream idea is that my site lurks for me on IRC and I can give it commands to store/retrieve content
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KevinMarks wikis edit out disagreement, keep agreement
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tantek I've never seen forums "work" (as in be effective in terms of efficiency)
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tantek KevinMarks: or even capture multiple points of view (per disagreements)
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tantek or multiple approaches / implementations!
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tantek shows that diversity of opinion is *ok* (even valuable) in a community
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rascul tantek even when they do "work" it's not 100%
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tantek never seen a real world forum that has made me ever consider using a forum for anything
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KevinMarks true
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KevinMarks but if they do that they represent them both
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KevinMarks previously: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2003/04/blogs-wikis-mailing-lists-and.html
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rascul tantek forums often "work" for mud games heh
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KevinMarks my slides for my ignite at I/O at 4pm http://slides.kevinmarks.com/procrustes.html
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kylewm aaronpk: clarifying question, the comment about a backchannel was from someone else?
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KartikPrabhu KevinMarks: lol at the Volacano fax-number!
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aaronpk Yeah, someone in the audience
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aaronpk She had good luck with using a back channel
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@opencontent @benwerd Awesome! I have a major blog post about Known planned for next week-I absolutely LOVE what you're doing. #reclaim #posse #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/481911138716622854)
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snarfed shameless plug, KevinMarks's blog post link reminded me: thanks KevinMarks for being an early bridgy blogs user!
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snarfed i was able to like that post from my blog, via webmention: https://snarfed.org/2014-06-25_epeus-epigone-blogs-wikis-mailing-lists-and-linguistic-forms
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snarfed the webmention gets posted as a comment on his blogger post: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2003/04/blogs-wikis-mailing-lists-and.html#c3312956013643972826
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@benwerd @opencontent Very cool! Let me know if I can help you with anything. More at #indiewebcamp this weekend / Domain of One's Own in July. (twitter.com/_/status/481911811390717952)
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bret KartikPrabhu: can you link me to your margin article?
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bret or anyone else
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KartikPrabhu bret: ask and you shall receive: https://kartikprabhu.com/article/marginalia
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KartikPrabhu sorry about hiding it... but I want it to be in draft while in progress :)
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KartikPrabhu bret: also note the human-memory friendlt URL ;)
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KevinMarks_ the brid.gy like ends up posted by me, funny
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snarfed KevinMarks_: yeah, it's a drawback of the API(s). at least it includes my name too :P
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snarfed kylewm: ^^ if you want a recent real life example of the blog webmentions feature to show people at IWC this weekend :P
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KevinMarks_ the comments support OpenID. I woner if there's a a way to finagle it with indiewuth
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KevinMarks_ s/indiewuth/indieauth/
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Loqi KevinMarks_ meant to say: the comments support OpenID. I woner if there's a a way to finagle it with indieauth
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tantek Kevinmarks - I'd like to have an in-person debate/discussion with you about http://slides.kevinmarks.com/procrustes.html#/15 - I believe I can debunk several of those assumptions of wrongness.
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tantek and anyone being so nitpicky about names and naming assumptions should know to say "make *fewer* of them" rather than "make less of them" ;)
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KartikPrabhu might be of interest here : http://pando.com/2014/06/24/twitter-experiments-with-new-cards-that-make-retweeting-less-awful/
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tantek wishes he could see KevinMarks' Ignite talk!
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tantek looks like a great slide deck KevinMarks
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KevinMarks_ this "person" passed the google+ name gauntlet: https://plus.google.com/111552465437874299002/posts
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KevinMarks_ I think it's goign to be streamed
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KevinMarks_ considering last nights shenanigans it's not bad
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tantek what shenanigans?
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tantek snarfed++ for the Bridgy to blogger.com support!
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Loqi snarfed has 31 karma
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tantek I doubt when Kevin posted that in 29 April 2003 that he was ever expecting someone could *like* it (predates invention of FB likes) much less from *another* site!
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KartikPrabhu woah... nice ^^
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tantek KevinMarks_: how did you convince Ignite folks to let you use an HTML slide deck?
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KevinMarks_ I didn't, I had to remake it in keynote this morning :(
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KevinMarks_ the losing my laptop panic
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benwerd You lost your laptop? Ugh, sorry to hear that :(
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KevinMarks_ I thought ti had been stolen, but I'd left in 21st amendment.
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KevinMarks_ derp
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KevinMarks_ https://www.google.com/events/io/schedule/session/6fe20716-32d6-e311-b297-00155d5066d7 is the session
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benwerd I .. may have done that before also.
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KevinMarks_ it has a video icon so you may get to see me
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KevinMarks_ so tantek helpfully got me to call 21A before I remote wiped it
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KevinMarks_ and then git me to throw out my crappy backpack and buy a new one
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aaronpk That's what friends are for :-)
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tantek I think the overall rule here is - pair emergency-handling can be quite helpful ;)
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tantek specifically, pairing with someone who is *not* directly affected by the emergency.
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tantek KevinMarks_: please use your HTML is ACCEPTING slide to make a point about the Ignite folks not letting you use an HTML slide deck
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tantek this one http://slides.kevinmarks.com/procrustes.html#/12
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aaronpk Interesting that the gittip crisis is somewhat encouraging people to do it on their own site by linking to existing payment mechanisms like paypal or dwolla
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tantek aaronpk, could you add dwolla to /payment ?
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tantek I didn't find that in my research
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aaronpk It's not there? Crazy
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aaronpk Will do but not on my computer right now
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tantek !tell KevinMarks when you're on this slide http://slides.kevinmarks.com/procrustes.html#/12 perhaps consider making the point: "HTML is ACCEPTING, but sadly, IGNITE is NOT ACCEPTING of HTML slides (which this presentation originally was). Why does Ignite hate the open web?"
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu so presentations in Google IO are using Apple Keynote and not Google Docs...?
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tantek Ignite is its own thing kinda that is being hosted by Google IO
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KartikPrabhu oh ok
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tantek though it wouldn't surprise me if there were IO presentations that use Keynote or PPT.
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tantek which of course should be called out
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Loqi KevinMarks: tantek left you a message 8 minutes ago: when you're on this slide http://slides.kevinmarks.com/procrustes.html#/12 perhaps consider making the point: "HTML is ACCEPTING, but sadly, IGNITE is NOT ACCEPTING of HTML slides (which this presentation originally was). Why does Ignite hate the open web?"
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@panjidrama @cynorrhodon Il y a ce projet, indiewebcamp, qui y ressemble un peu. Tu connais, je suppose ? http://indiewebcamp.com @lebagage2 (twitter.com/_/status/481921881977925632)
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GWG Afternoon
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kylewm aaronpk: did anyone mention public conversation logging (pro or con) in the IRC session?
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aaronpk No, crap, and I forgot to ask
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kylewm that's ok! I thought maybe it was a hot topic q.v. #atunit
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aaronpk It didn't seem to be an issue at all, especially since this community uses both a forum and irc
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aaronpk Ugh my words have been imprecise lately. I mean the Cydia community that the speaker was referring to
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kylewm cool that makes sense
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kylewm.com edited /code-of-conduct (+59) "/* Signed */ += me" (view diff)
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@gRegorLove RT @hiMannyLopez: David Bowie is giving a talk! Intro to the IndieWeb. #osb14 https://twitter.com/hiMannyLopez/status/481845254090289152/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/481926795000684544)
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KevinMarks_ that's just the start of the list, tantek: http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/
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rascul KevinMarks_ i like that link
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kylewm I was thinking this morning about how much I hate gmail's first name algorithm (ostenibly name.split()[0])
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kylewm Peter Parker, you got an email from: Mary
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tantek KevinMarks_: I know - I've read it before and didn't have time to debunk most of the assertions about wrongness
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tantek regardless - that's just an aside - we can have that discussion IRL :)
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tantek the HTML is ACCEPTED point (or not, for Ignite talks) is the more important point
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KevinMarks_ i'm not going to call out brady onstage when he gave me 36 hour deadline extension
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tantek then you could just call yourself out
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tantek "HTML is ACCEPTING, but full disclosure, these slides are not"
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snarfed KevinMarks and i discussed possibly using OpenID for bridgy's blogger webmentions in person just now
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snarfed KevinMarks: funny "small world" story: i actually implemented blogger's OpenID support, along with google's other first OpenID product integrations, as 20% projects
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snarfed good tiems
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KevinMarks_ hah, I had no idea. I haven't used the API for a while
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tantek snarfed - wow and well done! wish we'd somehow met sooner!
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KevinMarks_ I implemented microformats for blogger templates...
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snarfed aww likewise
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@kevinmarks I'm speaking in the Ignite at Google #io14 in about 10 minutes - check here: for a live stream https://www.google.com/events/io #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/481933314048012288)
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KartikPrabhu the Ignite page only shoes barry forresst
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KevinMarks_ Brady, yes
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KartikPrabhu oh yeah but you are in that session I suppose
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tantek where are you in the order kevinmarks?
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tantek so now that caseorganic has done Labyrinth as a setting / metaphor for silos / indieweb - it's got me thinking about other movies that could fit so well
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KartikPrabhu tantek: Matrix is an obvious one that I think you have used in the past
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KartikPrabhu also the less well-known Surrogates
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KartikPrabhu ref: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0986263/
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tantek KartikPrabhu: right I've used Matrix analogies a lot in my recent talks
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tantek including my closing slide in the PDF14 talk - I can only show you the door
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KartikPrabhu yup! caught that reference... maybe you should dress up in Morpheus gear :P
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tantek I'm wondering if Inception might make another good one
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tantek a lot of good lines to borrow from that
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tantek "Inception - is it possible?" - "Indieweb - is it possible?"
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tantek How do you know if you're awake (independent) or actually dreaming (inside someone else's silo)?
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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sparverius rm -rf /
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sparverius cant do that on a silo
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tantek sparverius - where's the secure delete option? ;)
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rascul can't do it anywhere anymore with gnu's rm ;)
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sparverius thermite
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rascul --no-preserve-root
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tantek you also can't do it if you're using any cloud backup services
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sparverius i mean just the ability to run the command to completion means that you're PROBABLY not in a silo
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tantek anyone know if there's a backchannel for Ignite?
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KartikPrabhu man! 10 min talks really kill the flow of talks
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tantek this medical devices talk needs some serious indieweb who ownsyourdata questioning
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KartikPrabhu yup!
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tantek "creates this dataset that can be sent to the cloud" (ARGGGGHHH)
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KartikPrabhu hates the word "cloud"
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rascul https://github.com/panicsteve/cloud-to-butt
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KartikPrabhu preserving photos on flickr... needs indieweb
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KartikPrabhu and marginalia!
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tantek amazing how many of these talks are completely side-stepping the ownyourdata needs of what they're talking about
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tantek it's like they're all plugged into the silos so deep that they don't even realize their assumptions.
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tantek boardgame programming! teaching programming to preschoolers - amazing!!!
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KartikPrabhu pretty neat!
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rascul preschoolers? wow!
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KartikPrabhu re silos: there is this assumption that silos will exists forever, people don't see the longterm effects
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KartikPrabhu wow! 24 year old with 9 years programming! impressive
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bear KartikPrabhu - welcome to my fun "hell" ;)
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bear young folks with already a lot of experience in programming :)
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KartikPrabhu haha! :)
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KartikPrabhu is not far-off with 26 and 9 years programming (not professionally)
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@Skud RT @kronda: If you’re inspired to get a domain name after @ambercase’s #indieweb talk, try @hover or @namecheap #osb14 #nogodaddy (twitter.com/_/status/481943222202036224)
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tantek so this guy is basically pitching everyone to give free content for no pay to Google's contributor forum silo right?
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KartikPrabhu yup seems so...
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tantek come give content without pay to our silo and we'll give you gold stars by your name!
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tantek people really fall for this crap?
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KartikPrabhu yes!
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tantek I thought this was only a Microsoft dev-community sucker thing
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tantek so Google has become the new Microsoft in that way I suppose
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KartikPrabhu particularly since recruiters seem to scout for such contributions
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KartikPrabhu or so is my impression
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KartikPrabhu is not tuned to the software recruiting scene.
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tantek "they know the ins and outs of Google Products" - like these? http://indiewebcamp.com/Google#Dead_Services
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tantek "Impact Google Products" - like ^^^ ?
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tantek unbelievable
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tantek Loqi, wake me up in 10 min
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Loqi woot!
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KartikPrabhu tantek: wake up intriguing talk on insect CSI stuff
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bear @tantek kevin is talking
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tantek KevinMarks is ON
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tantek hopes to never start a talk with the word "So… "
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tantek yeah! databases as part of the problem!
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tantek haha object orientation bad - because then you get Volcano with a fax number
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tantek KevinMarks++ for criticizing Google+ at Google I/O
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Loqi KevinMarks has 40 karma
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gRegor` Is there a link to his talk?
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tantek nicely done KevinMarks!
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tantek gRegor`: he posted the video feed earlier
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gRegor` goes to the logs
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KevinMarks It'll be up on YouTube
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