#indiewebcamp 2014-08-10

2014-08-10 UTC
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snarfed techlifeweb: glad to hear it!
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bnvk snarfed: nah, at least he had his own domain
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snarfed bnvk: not quite so bad then. he can do mf2 and webmentions on tumblr too
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snarfed still funny though
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bnvk yah… this dude is not doing any of that
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@jmenglund03 @techlifeweb Nice! I like the third logo especially - mentions both #posse and #indieweb hashtags for those who are new to the conversations (twitter.com/_/status/498311534612070400)
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@jmenglund03 Any higher ed #indieweb folks planning on participating in #ccourses? http://jenniferenglund.net/countdown-to-connected-courses/ Just registered my blog... (twitter.com/_/status/498315830732800001)
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@hmans The integration isn't 100% done, but note how @HerrJuhl's fav ended up in the "Replies" section on http://t.co/Yb9MKBOad3. Webmentions! \o/ (twitter.com/_/status/498374732547645440)
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hmans I don't even
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jonnybarnes anyone here on OS X Yosemite yet?
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hmans #pants now uses rel-following and rel-follower. Example: http://doyou.even.computer/following
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barnabywalters hmans: nice! how do pants instances let each other know that they’re following one another?
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hmans For now, a webmention to the followed user's homepage: http://hmans.io/avx640
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hmans There's also a scheduled background task that checks if the original rel-following link still exists (and removes the following if it can't be found anymore)
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lewiscowper jonnybarnes: I am.
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jonnybarnes lewiscowper: did you simple upgrade Mavericks, or have you installed Yosemite on a second partition?
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lewiscowper jonnybarnes: I installed on a second partition in case it borked something.
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lewiscowper but I did it via the official installer
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jonnybarnes lewiscowper: cool, I'm just trying to clear up some space so I can make a second partition big enough to be useful
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lewiscowper and only booted into mavericks once to prepare and do a talk on Breach (breach.cc), which hasn't been updated for yosemite yet.
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jonnybarnes so yoseimte is running quite stable then?
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lewiscowper Yeah, it's been fine, I've had a few apps crash, Mail/Safari etc, but nothing major, and my state was restored after the crash, so I just noticed it when it popped up telling me that it had crashed
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jonnybarnes lewiscowper: if I just run in the installer will it update mavericks so I keep all my data, or will it try and delete stuff?
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lewiscowper I made a new partition, and then told it where to put it. I'm not sure about a raw update from Mavericks, although I would be 99% sure it'll keep your data by default, although I'd just read the installer as I went along.
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rascul http://gtmetrix.com can have useful insight on site optimization
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Loqi [mention] http://www.hecavanagh.org/journal/2014/08/weeknotes-100814 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/2014/UK/Guest_List (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://www.hecavanagh.org/journal/2014/08/weeknotes-100814 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/why (pingback)
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Loqi [mention] http://www.hecavanagh.org/journal/2014/08/weeknotes-100814 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/code-of-conduct (pingback)
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bret hmans pants looks great!
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bret hmans++
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Loqi hmans has 8 karma
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kylewm anyone using a package manager for their client-side libraries? (looking at Bower right now)
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bret kylewm dont you need npm to install bower? in which case, is the pack you want just in npm?
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bret s/pack/package
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Loqi bret meant to say: kylewm dont you need npm to install bower? in which case, is the package you want just in npm?
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bret ime the bower registry is pretty messy, whereas npm has most essentials
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kylewm bret: ha, yes it is :P
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kylewm all I really want is to take Leaflet out of my git repo
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bret i think the trend is to use npm like bower
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bret since it also covers browser side js modules via browserify
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kylewm bret: awesome, thanks
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kylewm this stuff changes too fast
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bret kylewm npm has some sweet scripting abilities too
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bret https://www.npmjs.org/doc/misc/npm-scripts.html
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bret kylewm http://nodejsreactions.tumblr.com/post/82300463325/grunt-gulp-broccoli
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kylewm hahaha
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bret kylewm also this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18641899/difference-between-bower-and-npm
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bret i want to try to moving a loading system so that its easy to support random JS libraries in a feed
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bret like barnaby
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kylewm wait, what now? what does barnaby do?
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kylewm bret: is there a compelling reason to use browserify instead of say <script src="/static/node_modules/leaflet/leaflet.js">?
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bret kylewm, banaby uses progressive loading
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bret http://waterpigs.co.uk/notes/4WZHhH/
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bret kylewm im not really sure of the answer on that one
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bret usually you see bower and npm used with some kind of compiler and minifier
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KevinMarks2 This is interesting http://www.harihareswara.net/sumana/2014/08/10/1
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KevinMarks2 Which of our weirdnesses are inessential?
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barnabywalters KevinMarks: they’re probably quite difficult for us to see
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barnabywalters snarfed: do you have any idea what’s going on in the failing test here? https://github.com/snarfed/activitystreams-unofficial/pull/17
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snarfed barnabywalters: hey! i do. you caught me mid reply :P
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snarfed haven't written much yet, i'll switch to here
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snarfed barnabywalters: short answer, the get_actor() call is making the verify_credentials request
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barnabywalters ah, that makes sense! I had forgotten about that
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snarfed you probably want to switch to passing the list in USER/NAME format, which is pretty common for twitter lists
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snarfed example: https://github.com/snarfed/twitter-atom/blob/master/main.py#L202
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snarfed (deployed at https://twitter-atom.appspot.com/ )
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barnabywalters I had considered that, but it seemed like the user ID and list slug could be fitted quite easily into the existing URL structure
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snarfed true! i'm fine with that too. you just have to pass an explicit user id then
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snarfed ie only fetch the list timeline if both user_id and group_id are non-None
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barnabywalters that would make sense too, but why is the call to get_actor a problem if user_id is non-None?
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barnabywalters I should just update the test to expect a call to the verify credentials endpoint
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Loqi yea!
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snarfed i see what you mean
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snarfed well, maybe. looking now
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snarfed so get_actor fetches the user's full profile, which you don't need
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@Bali_Maha would installing the #indieweb plugin mess up my jetpack installation? @jmenglund03 (twitter.com/_/status/498538309183094784)
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snarfed barnabywalters: so yeah, you only need the verify_credentials call if you want to support the current user implicitly. i'm fine with that
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barnabywalters snarfed: cool, I’ll update the test, and add another one for explicit user + group
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snarfed barnabywalters: sounds good. thanks for the contribution!
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barnabywalters snarfed: not a problem, happy to have something to contribute :)
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@jmenglund03 .@Bali_Maha I installed the #indieweb plugin too. Have not noticed any issues with jetpack plugin. (twitter.com/_/status/498546079613599744)
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@Bali_Maha @jmenglund03 I can't figure out what to do with the #indieweb plugin & unsure how different it is from @withknown (@benwerd @erinjo)? (twitter.com/_/status/498546931690655745)
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snarfed barnabywalters: tests look good, thanks!
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snarfed one last request…sorry, i should have asked before. could you add a sentence or two to the get_activities docstring saying that group_id can be a list?
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barnabywalters snarfed: sure, doing
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barnabywalters snarfed: pushed
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snarfed barnabywalters: thanks! merging and deploying now
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barnabywalters snarfed: awesome! can’t wait to try it
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barnabywalters I’m really liking google app engine’s app launcher and deploy tool, it’s such a no-brainer
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barnabywalters maybe something similar could be made as a GUI wrapper around docker, compatible with multiple hosts…
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snarfed barnabywalters: hmm! that would definitely be nice
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snarfed barnabywalters: deployed, and it looks like it's working!
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barnabywalters snarfed: yay! now to create a huge twitter list…
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Loqi yay!
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kylewm barnabywalters: have you seen dokku?
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@benwerd @Bali_Maha @jmenglund03 The #indieweb plugin supports webmentions: incoming interactions from other sites. Try w/ https://www.brid.gy/ (twitter.com/_/status/498550669163261953)
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kylewm oh, not GUI
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barnabywalters kylewm: I’ve heard of it — the heroku clone using docker, right?
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barnabywalters yeah, it’s the GUI I’m interested in
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kylewm barnabywalters: the cool thing about dokku is that it's extremely small... < 100 lines I think
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kylewm barnabywalters: my real question -- bret pointed me to your article about progressive enhancement + javascript ... do you use a package manager with that?
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barnabywalters kylewm: nope, I’ve managed to get by copying+pasting source files so far
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barnabywalters other than my use of requirejs, I try to have an aggressively minimal approach to javascript
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snarfed hey kylewm, re the many to many PR, do you think it fully implements many to many? (apart from detecting changes on refetch)
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@jmenglund03 @benwerd @Bali_Maha I installed brid.gy too. Next step is figure out how to tweet from my site & have it pushed out to Twitter. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/498551307566071808)
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kylewm barnabywalters: thanks! i'm embarrassed to admit i'm just being picky about my %-per-language bar in github ... want to get that javascrpt number down :)
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kylewm snarfed: interesting question! I think so, that was the intention.
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snarfed kylewm: great!
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kylewm snarfed: multiple u-syndication values for one original would have worked before except I think there was an explicit check in get_or_insert... preventing it. and now if they have multiple permalinks pointing to the same syndication url, it should pick up all of them
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snarfed kylewm: nice!
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snarfed kylewm: all of that logic is still per source, right? assuming so, we probably won't see it trigger much in the wild, but hopefully it will at least fix the dupes
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kylewm snarfed: still per source yep, i don't expect it to change anyone's behavior noticeably except on my site :)
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@jmenglund03 @benwerd @Bali_Maha woooow - that makes using #posse for tweets, etc so much easier than using WP! #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/498564131608612864)
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jonnybarnes So I'm still installing Yosemite. It's copying all my files back to where they are.
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jonnybarnes Homebrew created a lot of files in /use/local so I may have to leave it installing overnight :(
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@scottros @fraying I'm using Bridgy and a couple WP plugins to pull in FB/Twtr comments "indieweb"-style (twitter.com/_/status/498571923320614912)
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@benwerd A preview of the services @withknown is offering to educators & institutions: https://www.youtube.com/ #edtech #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/498589577137754112)
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@Ed_Tech_ RT @benwerd: A preview of the services @withknown is offering to educators & institutions: https://www.youtube.com/ #edtech #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/498590629916868608)
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@gRegorLove Testing cross-posting potatoes from my own site, with a link back. #indieweb (http://gregorlove.com/notes/2014/08/10/2/) (twitter.com/_/status/498591070087704576)
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@gRegorLove Testing cross-posting potatoes from my own site, without a link back. #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/498591396924624896)
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: any word/interest in moving HWC to a later time?
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gRegor` ^ One step closer. I can now auto cross-post via brid.gy by checking a box. I usually prefer not having a backlink, so the default is to use https://www.brid.gy/about#omit-link. I can check a box if I want the backlink to appear.
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Loqi gives gRegor` the backlink to appear
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gRegor` I've not talked to anyone about it, KartikPrabhu. Denton RSVPed yes this week and Margot said she's really going to try to make it, so I figured we could talk about it then. I suspect we'll end up moving it back half an hour at least, regardless.
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gRegor` I'm fine with having it later as long as it works out with The Living Room, and not like we have a solid group yet :)
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gRegor` But for this week at least, normal time.
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KartikPrabhu gRegor`: cool!
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gRegor` There's a Facebook event now, too. Not a cross post of an indie event, but still.
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tantek it's a start!
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gRegor` Yep :)
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tantek incremental++
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Loqi incremental has 2 karma
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gRegor` https://www.facebook.com/events/342255025932027/ I'd like to set up a nice, simple graphic for the FB event pages.
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gRegor` adds it to the list
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tantek gRegor`: see /buttons for a starting point
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tantek I've been using the "I'm building…" image
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tantek welcome dotnic!
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dotnic X-D
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tantek add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people
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