#indiewebcamp 2014-11-11

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kylewm i think i went to all the less popular sessions :)
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bear the shared sessions worked well when there was 1) a camera with a good view of the people and whiteboard 2) someone monitoring IRC for questions
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tantek.com edited /2015 (+598) "FAQ why multiple cities" (view diff)
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kylewm re: Markdown hReview, the proposed Markdown-version is a big downgrade from the mf version to me
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bear i'll make a note that the sample includes old mf code
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tantek I dislike headings with punctuation - makes the fragment URLs much uglier :(
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bear.im edited /markdown (-17) "add note about article using older style hReview" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2014/Schedule (+29) "shorten headings and switch from punctuation polluted US-centric month day, year dates to YYYY-MM-DD" (view diff)
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kylewm tantek: mko: bear: ok I'm satisfied that satellites are good, I will make a personal effort toward participating/facilitating shared sessions next year (had a bad experience trying to loop GWG into a smaller session we had in portland)
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aaronpk good cameras and microphones are super important
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tantek.com edited /2014/Schedule (+2) "put TOC at top to easy click and re-use links to sub sections" (view diff)
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bear it's never easy and requires lots of prior planning
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bear something we will have to coordinate for sure
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tantek mko re: collaborative sessions this past year, see this table and see if you can tell which sessions were collaborative :) http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Schedule#Saturday_2014-06-28
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tantek aaronpk - it's why I left my Logitech HD camera with adactio in Brighton
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tantek in the hopes that he can use it to coordinate collaboration from there
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aaronpk great
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tantek then of course I ordered another one for myself :)
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tantek so adactio has the one you shipped me originally :)
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aaronpk haha great
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tantek felt right to pass it forward :D
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bear I will gladly ship my logitech HD camera to anyone who wants to run a satellite session
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kylewm.com edited /2015 (+36) "/* Candidate Cities */ add me and SF/PDX" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2015 (+782) "add collaboration section and collect what worked, challenges, ideas" (view diff)
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tantek.com edited /2015 (+0) "/* What worked */ *#" (view diff)
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@cyrillehugues Woohoo, Known works on my server !! :) Consider https://elliottucker.net/2014/setting-up-known-with-nginx-indieweb for hints on a nginx stack (twitter.com/_/status/531963789152108544)
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bear.im created /Template:bnvk (+163) "Created page with "<span class="h-card" style="white-space:nowrap">{{sparkline|User:Brennannovak.com|bnvk]]</span>""" target="_blank">https://brennannovak.com/uploads/sites/1/Me_Train_Tracks_200.jpg}}[[User:Brennannovak.com|bnvk]]</span>"" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /2015 (+3) "update a couple user templates" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu checks out IWC 2015
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bear.im created /Template:JeremyZilar (+95) "add JeremyZilar to templates" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu bear are you creating templates for peeps?
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herbsmn is Known Pro going to all be on GitHub fo' free?
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bear I did for the two I found because I think they will get used often
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bear should I not?
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KartikPrabhu bear++
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Loqi bear has 46 karma
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KartikPrabhu gregor` made one for me so I would think it is fine. they can always remove it
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bear I have been using the style of name that I find on IRC_People
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KartikPrabhu herbsmn: I don't know. maybe ask benwerd or erinjo or @withknown on twitter :)
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bear (nickname or fullname)
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herbsmn aight. thx kartikprabhu
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KartikPrabhu bear: gregor` made one for me that is just {{kartik}} so neither :P
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bear :)
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KartikPrabhu I guess as I am the first Kartik here I get dibs
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bear yep, same for "bear"
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KartikPrabhu I'm pretty sure you're the only bear around :P
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bear as long as we keep IRC_People up to date - that is what I've been using as a roster more than anything
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KartikPrabhu yup!
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GWG bear: Have you heard from Jeremy Zilar?
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bear no, have not heard anything
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bear he has been radio silent for a while
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KartikPrabhu possibly Twitter is a better place to catch him
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bear (but I also was not in a lot of contact with him normally)
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KartikPrabhu herbsmn: is there some URL to Known Pro features over and above Known ?
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mko https://withknown.com/pro/
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mko !tell benwerd Are the Known Pro features going to be available to self-hosted instances on GitHub, or does pre-ordering Known Pro get developer access to Known Pro code as well?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu mko: thanks
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GWG Reading up, I see there was talk about IWC 2015.
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KartikPrabhu that's how you do a Pro feature set. Note that export is available in both unlike Ello's Pro policy
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KartikPrabhu that deserves a tweet and note
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bear waves
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bear heading out to celebrate Veterans Day at the local pub with other Jarheads :)
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GWG That reminds me, I should start dinner
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aaronpk I should go give @indiewebcat some dinner
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Loqi it is probable
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@kartik_prabhu @withknown That’s how you do a Pro feature set; export in both Free and Pro unlike *cough*Ello*cough* #indieweb https://withknown.com/pro/ (twitter.com/_/status/531972418303430656)
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GWG aaronpk: What is indiewebcat having?
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aaronpk probably chicken
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aaronpk you can find out later http://indiewebcat.com/metrics
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GWG aaronpk: That amuses me.
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tantek.com edited /own_your_data (+2866) "update dfn, add why, how, indieweb examples" (view diff)
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tantek there's the ownyourdata pledge or throwdown however you'd like to read it
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tantek what is ownyourdata?
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Loqi own your data is one of the principles of the IndieWeb and is an encouragement to always post content directly to your own domain with permalinks that you control instead of posting to silos, or only posting copies of your posts to silos (POSSE), preferably automatically, and with permashortlinks back to your original posts http://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata
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tantek.com edited /own_your_data (+2) "preferably applies to both trailing clauses" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: a grammatical ambiguity note: the "or posting copies" could be taken together with the "instead of"
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KartikPrabhu and convey opposite meaning to what is intended
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tantek right
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tantek let me fix
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KartikPrabhu Maybe a new sentence saying those are good/OK
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tantek.com edited /own_your_data (+3) "parenthesize the POSSE clause" (view diff)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: can't do multiple sentences in a dfn - Loqi don't parse that.
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KartikPrabhu hmm
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tantek what is ownyourdata?
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Loqi own your data is one of the principles of the IndieWeb and is an encouragement to always post content directly to your own domain with permalinks that you control instead of posting to silos (or only posting copies of your posts to silos per POSSE), preferably both automatically & with permashortlinks back to your original posts http://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata
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tantek KartikPrabhu: I think that fixes it ^^^
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tantek note that the "per POSSE" invalidates any attempt at saying you don't have to post on your own site, since POSSE requires that.
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KartikPrabhu now the "preferably" part is incorrect ;) it should go in the parenthesis
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KartikPrabhu #grammarnerd
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tantek hah true!
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tantek.com edited /own_your_data (+11) "preferably only applies to POSSE case" (view diff)
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tantek what is ownyourdata?
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Loqi own your data is one of the principles of the IndieWeb and is an encouragement to always post content directly to your own domain with permalinks that you control instead of posting to silos (or only posting copies of your posts to silos per POSSE, and if so, preferably both automatically & with permashortlinks back to your original posts) http://indiewebcamp.com/ownyourdata
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KartikPrabhu thumbsup
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tantek great, now who here ONLY posts notes to their own site, and NEVER posts notes directly to Twitter?
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tantek and since when?
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tantek KartikPrabhu: do you post notes exclusively on your own site? or do you sometimes directly tweet on Twitter?
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KartikPrabhu now always POSSEing finding start date
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tantek great - add yourself when you find your start date, or rather your "stopped directly posting to Twitter" date :)
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KartikPrabhu booo don't have rel-syndication on my older POSSEd notes. have to trawl through Twitter stream
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@ken_bauer Hey #flipclass. Ken from Canada, undergrad CompSci at @TecdeMty . 2 yrs flipping. Tech tip check out @withknown and #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/531976472895184896)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: that's ok - you can have different start dates for notes, vs. POSSE of notes.
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herbsmn what is Loqi?
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Loqi Loqi is a friendly and useful bot present in the #indiewebcamp IRC channel and other channels http://indiewebcamp.com/Loqi
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tantek who is herbsmn?
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herbsmn woah
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bear does it count that i've only ever posted anything to my site and never to twitter?
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tantek welcome herbsmn! add yourself to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc-people :)
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herbsmn i'm from Minnesota and am interested in the IndieWeb
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tantek bear - yes that absolutely counts!
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tantek herbsmn awesome! did you find us through the Homebrew Website Club meetings in Minneapolis?
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herbsmn no. i'm from minneapolis, but have never been to one of the meetings. I tried once but no one else was there when I showwed up
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herbsmn i left facebook and am interested in creating my own indieweb site but i don't have any money for a domain or hosting at the moment
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KartikPrabhu herbsmn: good idea to check the wiki page to see if there actually is a meeting. and also RSVP in advance :)
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herbsmn yeah, i didn't RSVP because I don't use facepalm and I don't have an indieweb site yet
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KartikPrabhu herbsmn: maybe use the old static site with gitpages trick or Known
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bear.im edited /own_your_data (+210) "add bear.im to example list" (view diff)
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herbsmn i had been waiting to set up a Known site until they got SSL set up. i just checked and it looks like they finally got it
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bear.im edited /own_your_data (-1) "fix date to be 2003" (view diff)
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herbsmn shoot. they have SSL, but you can't create a password with SSL.
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tantek huh - that's an interesting criticism to note re: /Withknown
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herbsmn what do you mean by "interesting criticism"? isn't it bad to create a password and/or log in to places without SSL?
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tantek.com edited /own_your_data (+100) "/* Tantek */ articles since 2002! (had forgotten to count my "old" blog, with still working permalinks)" (view diff)
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tantek herbsmn: I am agreeing with you
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herbsmn cool
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bear grins at his reaction to tantek updating to 2002 for earliest blog article
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tantek bear, don't know why I spaced on articles. maybe because I wasn't POSSEing them? or doing them *instead of* any silo at the time?
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bear I had dipped briefly into "darnit!!!" and then happily climbed back out to "yea!!!"
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bear yea, it was pre-POSSE mindset I would imagine
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tantek bear - don't worry, plenty of others have owned their own articles since before then
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tantek though - I wonder how many have strayed and started sharecropping on Medium :P
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bear yep - I was just getting a laugh at my own reaction :)
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tantek or Tumblr
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tantek yeah, POSSE wasn't even a twinkle in 2002!
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bear Tumblr and Medium are a tempting distraction for the young minds of today
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tantek and for folks looking to escape self-hosted WordPress admin-tax
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tantek (not theoretical / weaselword - actual friends of mine ;/ )
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bear nods
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herbsmn i think the SSL problem has something to do with how Known does subdomains, but I'm not an expert
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bear herbsmn -- IIRC it is for that reason
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herbsmn what is IIRC?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IIRC" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=IIRC
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mko tantek: I've been POSSE only for Twitter (including replies) since 8/20/2014 ( https://mowens.com/notes/2014/08/20/1/ ), though I manually POSSE still.
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mko if i recall
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bear If I Recall Correctly
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herbsmn oh, thanks!
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mko bear++
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Loqi bear has 47 karma
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mko mko--
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Loqi You can't karma yourself!
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mko Aw.
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bear adds to wiki
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herbsmn loqi++
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bear.im created /IIRC (+61) "add dfn" (view diff)
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Loqi loqi has 319 karma
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herbsmn hahaha
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kartikprabhu.com edited /own_your_data (+623) "/* IndieWeb Examples */" (view diff)
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KartikPrabhu boom ^ added examples of photo and manual POSSE of comments to blog :)
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kylewm.com edited /IIRC (+1) "try adding a period" (view diff)
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bear.im edited /User:Bear.im (-3) "grammar fix" (view diff)
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tantek mko - awesome - definitely add yourself!!!
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tantek I'm wondering if we need something more catchy than ownyourdata for this
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tantek as in "Declarations of Independence"
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mko I like OwnYourData, personally.
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tantek ok cool, we'll stick with that
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tantek it's a more positive framing
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mko It goes straight to the heart of the issue. I'm definitely open to alternatives.
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tantek declaring independence implies there is something you are declaring independence *from*
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mko True.
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tantek whereas ownyourdata is a goal you can achieve without ever having touched or cared about any silo
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KartikPrabhu yeah lets not use overtly hyped titles :)
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herbsmn Indie Pen Dance
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tantek lol
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tantek Indie Pen Dents
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mko Alright. Gotta head out. Talk to you guys later!
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herbsmn mko: peace
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tantek.com edited /own_your_data (+395) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ Examples of what doesn't disqualify you" (view diff)
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kylewm.com edited /Red_Wind (+88) "/* Description */ add "Leaf fluttering in wind" symbol" (view diff)
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tantek KartikPrabhu: do you own all your replies?
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KartikPrabhu no. there are some replies to twitter pre-note posting
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KartikPrabhu I have to import Twitter back into my site
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KartikPrabhu but as of today, I post all replies to my own site and then POSSE (manually if needed) to other places including blogs
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tantek as of today or a few weeks/months ago or?
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GWG tantek: By the way, the truncating is being done by my Twitter plugin. That is the problem.
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KartikPrabhu since that date in the /ownyourdata page 2014-03-20
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herbsmn As a long time twitter user, i hate seeing truncated tweets
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KartikPrabhu the first note I POSSEd to twitter was a reply :)
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herbsmn seems like it'd be better to post a short headline that meets a tweet's length requirement when POSSEing a longer blog post to twitter.
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tantek.com edited /own_your_data (+258) "/* IndieWeb Examples */ structure bear and kartik's entries" (view diff)
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tantek herbsmn - doesn't work for posts without headlines
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KartikPrabhu herbsmn: yeah that is what I do now. edit the POSSE copy to fit Twitter but it is annoying
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tantek and doesn't make sense to require publishers to make up headlines when they don't want to
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tantek KartikPrabhu: please review my changes to your section - see how I structured it? http://indiewebcamp.com/own_your_data#Kartik
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herbsmn i'm not saying as a requirement, i'm just saying that as a user I would do it just because it looks cleaner
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KartikPrabhu tantek: for some reason the "instead of" is followed by a blank
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herbsmn I talked with Known on twitter about the SSL stuff and Known Pro
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herbsmn https://twitter.com/withknown/status/531984471231188992
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@withknown @captainkurtis Known Pro is a hosted service. Most features will be available as open source. Backups & infrastructure will not be. (twitter.com/_/status/531984471231188992)
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herbsmn https://twitter.com/withknown/status/531982092876275712
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@withknown @captainkurtis An upgraded auth mechanism with SSL will be released this week. (twitter.com/_/status/531982092876275712)
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KartikPrabhu herbsmn: cool!
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herbsmn https://twitter.com/withknown/status/531984542102331392
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@withknown @captainkurtis We're also looking at support subscriptions for self-hosted Known users. (twitter.com/_/status/531984542102331392)
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herbsmn Loqi is really cool! I've never seen anything like it before.
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KartikPrabhu aaronpk++ for that one
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Loqi aaronpk has 601 karma
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herbsmn do you guys think that there's money to be made in IndieWeb development? it seems to me like something that is going to catch on like wildfire
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KartikPrabhu herbsmn: possibly. at least a few people are trying like Known and the newly formed IndieHost
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: re posseing blog comments, we've thought about adding that to bridgy publish
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snarfed https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/270 , https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/271 , https://github.com/snarfed/bridgy/issues/276
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message on 11/6 at 6:16pm: for your consideration, fresh definitions of UI and UX off the top of my head, with Bridgy in mind as something that has both: http://indiewebcamp.com/user-interface and http://indiewebcamp.com/user-experience
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snarfed feedback welcome!
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message on 11/6 at 6:19pm: per this tweet https://twitter.com/theunfocused/status/530487725582200833
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message on 11/6 at 6:19pm: per this tweet https://twitter.com/theunfocused/status/530487725582200833
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 36 minutes ago: perhaps drop @dangillmor a reply to see what's up? https://twitter.com/dangillmor/status/531668946714234880
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: yes but you wouldn't be able to support all blog stuff now would you?
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Loqi snarfed: tantek left you a message 8 hours, 36 minutes ago: perhaps drop @dangillmor a reply to see what's up? https://twitter.com/dangillmor/status/531668946714234880
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: "all blog stuff" ?
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KartikPrabhu I mean all sorts of blogging software that people use...
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: of course not. just like bridgy doesn't support all silos…but supporting the 4 (or N) biggest goes a long way
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KartikPrabhu but Disqus, Wordpress and Blogger are definitely the ones to start with :)
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snarfed yup!
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snarfed feedback/PRs welcome! :P
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KartikPrabhu have you added this feature already?
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snarfed definitely not. those issues are tracking it
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tantek herbsmn see /business-models
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snarfed KartikPrabhu: not actively working on them right now. just a thought for the future
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KartikPrabhu snarfed: aah cool! Will check it out and keep an eye on it for sure
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KartikPrabhu thinks bridgy is doing a lot of stuff
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snarfed it is a bit of a dumping ground for functionality :/
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tantek KartikPrabhu: what blank?
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snarfed (i'd be fine with putting blog comment posseing in a separate service. bridgy publish just has a lot of the plumbing already set up)
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KartikPrabhu tantek: the text that should read "instead of Twitter," reads "instead of ," in my browser for some reason
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KartikPrabhu tantek: hmm some CSS weirdness in latest FF. the <b> element around it is set to 0x0 at the top-left of the page :|
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tantek KartikPrabhu: weird - it looks fine in latest FF Dev edition (AKA aurora)
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KartikPrabhu hmm dumb
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KartikPrabhu weird same on latest Chrome... might be a Ubuntu issue
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kylewm KartikPrabhu: I'd be up for working on POSSE to blog comments with you if you are interested, inside bridgy or not :P
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KartikPrabhu kylewm: possibly. but they are not that much of an itch for me. I comment on blogs only sporadically
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kylewm understood, pretty much the same for me
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tantek kylewm - my contribution to the "POSSE to blog comments" is here: http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress#POSSE_to_WordPress
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KartikPrabhu yeah. since I've been swamped with real life work, I am only focusing on immediate itches for indieweb
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tantek along with Bridgy Publish feature request links for the same
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herbsmn KartikPrabhu: what is indieHost?
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@thomas_wgr border:none is a conference wh. deals with independent-web concerns. (German ) podcast about: http://workingdraft.de/193/ #indieweb #podcast #web (twitter.com/_/status/532012268398329856)
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kylewm herbsmn: it's this https://indiehosters.net/
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@thomas_wgr Explained: What is Webmentioning, respectively Pingback? http://indiewebcamp.com/Webmention #webdevelopment #webdev (twitter.com/_/status/532015745073688576)
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tantek what is IndieHost?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieHost" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=IndieHost
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tantek what is IndieHosters?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "IndieHosters" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=IndieHosters
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@npdoty @benwerd @tef I'd welcome feedback on my harassment/abuse suggestions: http://bcc.npdoty.name/Dealing-with-harassment-and-spam-on-the-Web and @t on blocking: http://indiewebcamp.com/block (twitter.com/_/status/532046994504556544)
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pfefferle good morning all
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@glennjones @Freerange_Inc I am working on http://t.co/CNhOcitqwm which supports most #indieweb ideas, webmentions, micropub etc (twitter.com/_/status/532103690724052992)
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@t I #ChooseIndependent with #Firefox (Happy 10th #fx10!) AND my #indieweb site. You should too: https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (ttk.me t4Z51) (twitter.com/_/status/532165722299203584)
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tantek good morning #indiewebcamp.
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@iamjayakumars RT @t: I #ChooseIndependent with #Firefox (Happy 10th #fx10!) AND my #indieweb site. You should too: https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (ttk.me t4Z51) (twitter.com/_/status/532166018257281024)
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@scatteredbrainV @t thanks for the link. I've been thinking about it for a while. Now it's probably the right time for me to go #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/532166685093277696)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/532165722299203584/532166018257281024 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/comment/twitter/t/532165722299203584/532166685093277696 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/532165722299203584/17791954 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (webmention)
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@hakkiocal RT @t: I #ChooseIndependent with #Firefox (Happy 10th #fx10!) AND my #indieweb site. You should too: https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (ttk.me t4Z51) (twitter.com/_/status/532168995978620928)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/repost/twitter/t/532165722299203584/532168995978620928 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/t/532165722299203584/415643 linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (webmention)
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@airbornesurfer RT @t: I #ChooseIndependent with #Firefox (Happy 10th #fx10!) AND my #indieweb site. You should too: https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (ttk.me t4Z51) (twitter.com/_/status/532182512294821889)
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@xtof_fr I #ChooseIndependent with #Firefox (Happy 10th #fx10!) AND my #indieweb site. You should too: .. http://xtof.withknown.com/2014/i-chooseindependent-with-firefox-happy-10th-fx10-and-my-indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/532191332471545856)
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Loqi [mention] http://xtof.withknown.com/2014/i-chooseindependent-with-firefox-happy-10th-fx10-and-my-indieweb linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started (webmention)
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GWG pfefferle: Good morning...if belated.
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pfefferle :)
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GWG pfefferle: You stopping by on Sunday?
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pfefferle GWG huh? did I miss something?
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ben_thatmustbeme GWG: the pusher :)
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ben_thatmustbeme pfefferle /2014/Online
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ben_thatmustbeme http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Online
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GWG ben_thatmustbeme: It works for tantek
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pfefferle oh nice! I will definitely try to.
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tantek GWG++ for encouraging participation in IWC Online!
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Loqi GWG has 30 karma
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tantek good morning again #indiewebcamp!
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GWG tantek: I'm looking forward to it as an excuse to focus on some things.
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tantek excellent idea
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GWG tantek: The list grows each week
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GWG Just prioritizing is a job.
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tantek GWG, indeed, prioritizing itself is hard. Then again, it's also something to not worry too much about, as the only you really need to prioritize / know is the very *next* thing you want to work on. You can postpone prioritizing the rest until after you've done that ;)
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tantek what is prioritizing?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "prioritizing" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=prioritizing
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GWG tantek: I tend to jump around to give a lot of little things some attention.
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GWG I have 3 separate projects I am trying to move along, because they are growing together in my vision
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@kevinmarks @zephoria you host your email independently, but your "blog post" is now on medium? #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/532226452737900544)
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tantek came across this personal website this morning: http://jasonrobinson.me/
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tantek odd that it has rel=nofollow where it should have rel=me to the other profile / contact links
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tantek however, what's interesting is note all the different "Thank me" payment options!
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tantek Litecoin, Primecoin, Reddcoin, Flattr, Bitcoin
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tantek what is Litecoin?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Litecoin" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Litecoin
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tantek what is Primecoin?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Primecoin" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Primecoin
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tantek what is Reddcoin?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Reddcoin" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Reddcoin
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tantek what is Flattr?
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tantek what is Bitcoin?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Flattr" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Flattr
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Bitcoin" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Bitcoin
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danlyke Hardly worth enumerating all the *coin variants... They spring up and collapse all the time, or at least did when people still thought Bitcoin or Dogecoin had a future.
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voxpelli no Flattr page :(
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voxpelli what is payment?
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Loqi payment in the context of the indieweb refers to a feature on an indie web site that provides a way for the visitor to that website to pay (currency, gift card credit, etc.) the person represented by that indie web site http://indiewebcamp.com/payment
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tantek danlyke - agreed with not worth enumerating all. I only asked about the ones on the real world example I provided :)
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voxpelli Can one make the wiki point all of those names to the "payment" page for now?
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tantek I figure if someone thinks it's worth putting on their real world personal website, it's likely worth documenting
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tantek voxpelli: yes with redirects
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tantek click on the create link, and create a redirect
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voxpelli tantek: cool, if I remember it when I get to a proper computer I'll do that then
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tantek but certainly create a Flattr page since there are multiple folks using that
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voxpelli not sure I should do that though, as a former employee of them
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tantek voxpelli: I think it's totally ok
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tantek if you have any doubts, just ask for review and edits
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tantek I think you get the factual-centric documentation style of the wiki
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@kevinmarks @zephoria I syndicate to medium too, but I post to my site first see http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/532234714665328641)
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kevinmarks/532234714665328641/11628 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/POSSE (webmention)
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tantek aside: check out this Twitter clone, amazing similarity to some past version of Twitter: https://quitter.se/
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kylewm tantek: sorry if you already know, but that is running GNU social
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ben_thatmustbeme huh cool
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ben_thatmustbeme really is a clone
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ben_thatmustbeme looks like they are even using bootstrap
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ben_thatmustbeme how long for brid.gy support, haha
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tantek kylewm: yeah - it's a particularly nice presentation of GNU social
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tantek my point was more the UX than the underlying plumbing :)
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ben_thatmustbeme so quitter copied twitter's old UI, which is now pretty much the same as facebook
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tantek right - that's why I think it's interesting!
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kylewm ben_thatmustbeme: my impression is that talks about federation with StatusNet/GNU social are a dead end. There's only one-ish developer and he doesn't have time/interest
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kylewm buuut since it's built on Atom and PuSH, bridgy shouldn't be necessary
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aaronpk_ this is mostly a thing internal to p3k, but I've been considering refactoring my code to remove the entire concept of post type
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tantek whoa
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aaronpk_ as it stands, i've actually had better luck with my generic "note" type that I have sort of extended in various ways
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tantek I'm pretty sure I documented my (architectural / design) reasons for post type
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aaronpk_ like I can attach a photo to a note right now
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tantek sure, I think both are useful
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tantek not every variant deserves a new type
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aaronpk_ i think if I continue this thought I may end up with 2-3 very coarse types
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tantek but some explicit post types are still useful IMO
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tantek aaronpk - I tried to document my reasoning for that in my Whistle documentation I think
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tantek http://tantek.com/w/Whistle
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aaronpk_ but the way I'm thinking about it, I have a "post" which may have various attributes such as name, content, photo, etc
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ben_thatmustbeme i have every post stored as just a POST, just happen to have different fields for different "types"
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aaronpk_ some posts also have a start/end date, which then also may contain a route
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ben_thatmustbeme but I store them all in one place for that very reason, things like photos and notes are really fine line between them
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@greghudy #selfdogfood had never heard of the phrase before, but the concept makes complete sense, like selfhomebrew better :-) http://indiewebcamp.com/Selfdogfood (twitter.com/_/status/532246832702033921)
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tantek aaronpk - perhaps write a follow-up to your previous blog post where you debated this?
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aaronpk_ and some posts like my bookmarks contain quotations
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tantek selfhomebrew++
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Loqi selfhomebrew has 1 karma
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aaronpk_ good thinking. now I have a ton of real-world examples on my site to screenshot too
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tantek aaronpk - look that was TWO years ago: http://aaronparecki.com/articles/2012/10/22/1/creating-content-on-the-indie-web#indieweb-posts
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aaronpk_ wow
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tantek lol
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@kylewm2 @greghudy I like that name! Would love for you to add it to http://indiewebcamp.com/Selfdogfood#Discussion (twitter.com/_/status/532250754052915202)
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aaronpk_ of that list I am still not publishing "people" or "venues"
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aaronpk_ oh hey in the "future work" section I even mentioned wanting to create micropub
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tantek clearly it's time for a follow-up blog post
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, did you ever get around to creating that aaronpk_?
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ben_thatmustbeme haha
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tantek aaronpk - here's about 19 different post types I came up with based on my own real world use cases back in 2009-2010: http://tantek.com/w/Whistle#design
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ben_thatmustbeme 19!?
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ben_thatmustbeme reads page
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: happy to discuss questions or challenges for any of them, i.e. why etc.
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ben_thatmustbeme which of those do rsvps fall under?
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tantek great question!
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tantek emprical answer, I post my RSVPs as notes (t) with in-reply-to link to an event post.
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ben_thatmustbeme it could fit under /r/ "response"
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ben_thatmustbeme but doesn't really fit with the others
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tantek it could, though with experience I've found some response just make sense as notes
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tantek and a whole article could be a response
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tantek thus I'm considering restricting 'r' to review, recommendation
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tantek or even review, recommendation (with optional but likely rating)
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tantek I should just make that edit
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ben_thatmustbeme do you bookmark? i have that separate from "favorite"
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Loqi yea
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: check out h
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kylewm this is like the nerdiest acrostic
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tantek acrostic?
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kylewm micropub question, semi-relevant to all this ... could a micropub client publish h=cite's for reply contexts?
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ben_thatmustbeme haiku are so hard / try to fit the syllables / always run out of ...
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, had to look it up too, poem
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ben_thatmustbeme or word puzzle
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ben_thatmustbeme oh, read more, i get it, line up the words correctly and it spells soemthing going down
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benatkin tantek: five cryptocurrencies and no mention of dogecoin *smh*
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ben_thatmustbeme kylewm, what you mean remotely push the reply-context rather than have the site fetch its own
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kylewm right, exactly
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ben_thatmustbeme I don't see why not, there isn't a field for it, but you can easily just extend it.
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kylewm I think it would be a wholly separate POST call
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: updated http://tantek.com/w/Whistle#design regarding 'r' and what is a reply/response, and what is an RSVP
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Loqi An RSVP is a type of post that is a reply to an event post http://indiewebcamp.com/rsvp
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tantek good questions
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tantek heh
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tantek benatkin what is dogecoin
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tantek odd that Loqi didn't pick that up
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tantek hey, what is dogecoin
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed
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tantek hey, what is a dogecoin
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tantek hey: what is a dogecoin
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benatkin lol
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ben_thatmustbeme hey, and what is dogecoin
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kylewm I'm really surprised it picked up "what is an RSVP" in your earlier message
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benatkin What is Dogecoin?
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tantek ok now I'm confused as to why Loqi picked up and what is an RSVP
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Dogecoin" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Dogecoin
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Loqi An RSVP is a type of post that is a reply to an event post http://indiewebcamp.com/rsvp
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ben_thatmustbeme 'r' / hey, and what is dogecoin
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tantek ok now I'm confused as to why Loqi did not pick up and what is an Dogecoin
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benatkin What is JavaScript?
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Loqi JavaScript (JS) is a popular programming language due to its nearly ubiquitous availability in web browsers, and growing web server availability in the form of node.js http://indiewebcamp.com/Javascript
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ben_thatmustbeme its more why DID he pick up the rsvp bit
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benatkin What is CSS?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "CSS" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=CSS
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tantek lol
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bret speaking of css
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benatkin What is Portland?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Portland" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=Portland
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bret its hard and scary
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benatkin What is what is?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "what is" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=what+is
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kylewm bret: it is difficult, agreed
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, other questions (though i assume you fit them under notes) are scobbles / listens / watches also any of aaron's quatized self data, sleep hours, etc
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ben_thatmustbeme i have been trying to clarify this all in my head, i'm thinking there might be some better categorization that can be done in general. historical vs planned vs doing
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kylewm bret: e.g. I wanted to have two rigid divs, side by side (like for showing a avatar next to a comment). with the avatar float: left, the comment text flows around the picture in an ugly way. but if the comment is "overflow-x: hidden", it wraps how I wanted .... no idea why
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bret kylewm: got a base css layer down... thanks mdo :) http://bret.io/base/
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bret its generated from .scss files
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bret bummed to find out sass does not do any kind of auto prefixing magic
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kylewm You know it's coming, bret
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kylewm what is SCSS?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SCSS" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=SCSS
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kylewm what is SASS?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "SASS" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=SASS
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benatkin all about that base
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tantek on another point of on-topic distraction, this thread about tent.io NIH is kind of amazing reading: https://github.com/tent/tent.io/issues/4
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ben_thatmustbeme something I .... did(watched/listenedto), plan to do(event), am doing (checkin/note), like (favorites/external links), am responding to (rsvp/comment) , think (review,article/note)
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kylewm tantek: I remember that thread
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ben_thatmustbeme basically something like that comes to mind
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bret kylewm sweet! Cant wait.
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kylewm I didn't know who any of these people were the first time I read it :P
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tantek.com edited /Tent.io (+73) "Reinvention of OStatus" (view diff)
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kylewm bret: sorry I mean, the "what is" was coming, not prefix magic
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tantek kylewm: and now you know likely nearly all of them :P
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bret aww
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ben_thatmustbeme also something I am (generic data point / weight / etc)
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: back to your question(s) about scobbles / listens / watches also any of aaron's quatized self data, sleep hours, etc
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tantek s/scobbles/scrobbles
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Loqi tantek meant to say: ben_thatmustbeme: back to your question(s) about scrobbles / listens / watches also any of aaron's quatized self data, sleep hours, etc
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tantek presumably
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tantek otherwise the unit you're looking for is milliscobles
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ben_thatmustbeme scrobbles*
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ben_thatmustbeme (its a silly word, i just use 'listens')
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tantek what are listens?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "listens" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=listens
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ben_thatmustbeme I wish i could easily scrobble netflix / hulu / plex
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ben_thatmustbeme what are scrobbles
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aaronpk_ is tent.io still a thing?
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Loqi A scrobble (AKA a listen) is a passive type of post used to publish a song (music or audio track) that you have listened to http://indiewebcamp.com/scrobbles
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tantek aaronpk, indeed, see socialwg channel and minutes
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tantek it's a thing that still wants to do its own protocols
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aaronpk_ oh I thought that was just a reference to that (old) thread
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bret tantek: lots of familiar faces in that thread you posted (but all way back from 2012!) (https://github.com/tent/tent.io/issues/4)
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ben_thatmustbeme tantek, so I take it you fit those all under notes?
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kylewm aaronpk_: I think tent is pretty concentrated (siloed?) at https://cupcake.io/ now
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kylewm what's a milliscrobble?
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kylewm oh ha that wasn't a typo, it really is milliscobles
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tantek kylewm: read more carefully ;)
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tantek :D
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: no I'm still thinking :)
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ben_thatmustbeme huh, noticed scrobbles don't list video, apparently trakt.tv is trying to be last.fm of video
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: re: bookmarks, I'd likely re-use text notes for that
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tantek with in-reply-to to the bookmarked link, and maybe u-bookmark-of
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tantek as we have u-like-of
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tantek though they do "feel" different from notes so I'm not sure
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tantek I don't publish bookmark posts myself
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tantek nor have I actively used services like delicious
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ben_thatmustbeme my thinking is that i'm trying to generalize all post types, not just public
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ben_thatmustbeme i would like to someday import all my aim chat history in just keep it all private
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tantek of course, hence I have 'm' for message, including private messages
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ben_thatmustbeme its just hard, there are going to be so many types of posts that it will get pretty messy pretty fast
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: for things like "scrobbles" and "views", they are in a general category of "passive" posts, where without even doing anything explicitly, you "do" them.
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tantek so I'd figure something out for those
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tantek and seaparate from any *active* metrics / quantified self data, sleep hours
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tantek where it is a measurement of self/body
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tantek vs. the environment (scrobbles, listens, watches)
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ben_thatmustbeme i like splitting them up like that, basically dividing them logically by the verb
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tantek another I thought about was a "question" like what people post on Quora.
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tantek I see that as different from article and note
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tantek in terms of the expected response, where to syndicate etc.
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tantek quite different
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tantek could possibly use 'q' for that
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ben_thatmustbeme it gets pretty hard to see the line between that and note though, splitting based on expectation can get fuzzy
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tantek very different
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tantek a question is something that is explicitly asking for answers
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tantek that themselves may be up/down voted
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tantek like stackoverflow
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tantek and quora
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tantek it is a different type
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tantek fundamentally by way of UX
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ben_thatmustbeme okay, i can see that
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ben_thatmustbeme the response handling is significantly different
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tantek so I just logged back into Quora for the first time in years and I see that the few questions I asked and answers I provided have been deleted
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ben_thatmustbeme which brings up an interesting question, how would one "upvote" or "downvote" a response to a question
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tantek I have 0 Questions and 0 Answers on Quora currently
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tantek damn them
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Loqi hehe
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Loqi [mention] https://brid-gy.appspot.com/like/twitter/kylewm2/532250754052915202/15162074 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/Selfdogfood#Discussion (webmention)
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tantek ah - here's an answer I provided: https://www.quora.com/log/revision/1322921
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tantek despite my profile showing "0 Answers"
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ben_thatmustbeme i would guess either in-reply-to the original question, with some markup to identify "upvote" on the comment's canonical URL, OR, in-reply-to the comment's canonical URL as a "like" or "upvote" and send a webmention to the question's URL
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ben_thatmustbeme would be interesting to add, thats for sure
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ben_thatmustbeme It somewhat co-insides with my thoughts on how one would do a POLL type post
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tantek here is the permalink to the "Answer" I posted on Quora, I'm not sure if it is visible publicly: https://www.quora.com/What-are-good-steps-to-take-when-you-feel-like-you-might-be-coming-down-with-a-cold/answer/Tantek-%C3%87elik
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ben_thatmustbeme its visible
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tantek great, how about this? https://www.quora.com/What-is-a-good-way-to-markup-an-indieweb-question-post-similar-to-a-question-you-might-sharecrop-on-Quora-or-StackOverflow-Id-ask-on-my-own-site-but-that-would-require-first-knowing-the-answer-so-I-could-mark-it-up-properly-bootstrapping
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tantek (lol at that slug)
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ben_thatmustbeme hahahaha
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ben_thatmustbeme nice
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aaronpk it's too long, I can't click it
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@kylewm2 @greghudy yep! it's a little bit of a trick to motivate ppl to add rel=me links to personal websites and use IndieAuth sign in to the wiki (twitter.com/_/status/532266759123116032)
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tantek aaronpk, perhaps add to /url-design :)
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tantek as an example of why shorter URLs are important
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aaronpk i mean it's due to me reading IRC through a console-based client, so it's partly my fault
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@noneck scandalous, #drupal isn't listed on the @indiewebcamp project page. http://indiewebcamp.com/projects (twitter.com/_/status/532267155900104704)
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tantek aaronpk, not your fault. document the limitation of the specific client in handling such URLs
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tantek what is drupal?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "drupal" yet. Would you like to create it? http://indiewebcamp.com/wiki/index.php?action=edit&title=drupal
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tantek sigh, we had a couple of drupal folks at IndieWebCamp Cambridge and couldn't convince them to at least create a stub page for it?
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aaronpk oh we did!
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: re: questions and metrics/measurements, captured: tantek.com/w/Whistle#underconsideration
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tantek for scrobbles/listens/watchings/viewings - I think those are all the same kind of post, something passive that is about your environment more than it is about you an "experience" post
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ben_thatmustbeme indeed
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aaronpk_ I suppose things like reading books or web comics would fall into that category too
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tantek not sure what shortcode I'd use for them. I could pick from j,k,y,z (reserved) OR I could use x since that is in "experience"
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bret I do not understand this http://www.paulirish.com/2012/box-sizing-border-box-ftw/
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tantek and simply drop XMDP profile as I haven't posted any of those on my own site and don't expect to
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bret if the box model is flawed, why not default to the one every one wants to use?
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ben_thatmustbeme if you "like" a song its different than just listening to it. basically anything that auto-posts photos I would then put under that class too
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tantek bret perhaps you meant to ask that in #css :)
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tantek I disagree re: photos as you actively *took* the photo
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aaronpk_ photos are a whole different thing IMO
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tantek now if something is passively taking photos for you - that would be different!
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ben_thatmustbeme yes, i'm talking about some device that passively posts
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tantek that could be a "saw" type of post with an attached photo
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aaronpk_ like the narrative clip?
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tantek yes if the narrative clip auto-posted, that would be like scrobbling for photos
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tantek rather, scrobbling for visual views
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aaronpk_ that's hilarious
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ben_thatmustbeme which gets strange having two types of photo posts
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aaronpk_ nah
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: not really. very different to have an explicit view of what someone has framed and taken
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tantek vs. just a timeline of passive "measurements" that happen to be pixels
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tantek VERY different UX
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ben_thatmustbeme true, what i'm getting at is basically the same thing that has been said about photos, i really don't see "Photo" as a post type. its a note / scrobble that contains a photo
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ben_thatmustbeme or perhaps a subtype
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ben_thatmustbeme s/about photos/about photos vs notes/
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: I see both as useful
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tantek both explicit photo type post
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tantek and notes (and other things) *with* a photo (or more) attached
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tantek explicit photo type post is a replacement for IG/Flickr UX
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tantek whereas notes with a photo is Twitter/FB status+photo replacement
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tantek those have very different UX and user expectations
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aaronpk_ actually I have a slightly different opinion
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tantek photo posts you'd put into an album
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ben_thatmustbeme IG can have text too though
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tantek where's it's unlikely you'd put notes with photos into an album
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aaronpk_ instagram and twitter are more similar to me, flickr is less about a single stream of posts and more about collections
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tantek also you could separate them out
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tantek post a photo post
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ben_thatmustbeme its just a note with photo, that may or may not have text
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tantek then post a note that references that photo post and embeds it
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aaronpk_ this is why I think the whole photo vs note discussion is irrelevant. they're all just posts.
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: you're describing it by its parts rather than by the experience
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tantek that's why it seems the same to you
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tantek the UX is very different in those scenarios I just listed
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tantek they are bigger than the sum of their types of data
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ben_thatmustbeme hmm, i guess i need to think more user facing wise, as I do see that an explicit "photo" post could have some additional UI for zooming etc, but then I still don't see that discluding text
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ben_thatmustbeme s/discluding/excluding/
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Loqi ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: hmm, i guess i need to think more user facing wise, as I do see that an explicit "photo" post could have some additional UI for zooming etc, but then I still don't see that excluding text
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ben_thatmustbeme i make up words at times
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snarfed hey aaronpk, you haven't (re)tried commenting w/the instagram API yet, have you?
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aaronpk_ nope not yet
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: captured my above thoughts on passive experience posts too now, same place: http://tantek.com/w/Whistle#underconsideration
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aaronpk_ my priority on that is relatively low since ownyourgram works just fine with the posse-post-discovery
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snarfed right. my itch is the other direction, posseing my own comments
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tantek ben_thatmustbeme: thanks for your very astute and specific questions, has helped me refine the design for better future use
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snarfed (ie implementing it in bridgy publish)
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snarfed i'll keep you poste
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aaronpk_ ah!
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aaronpk_ yeah I would love to do that too
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@kartik_prabhu @noneck because no one @indiewebcamp uses #drupal (twitter.com/_/status/532279834760986624)
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@aaronpk @kartik_prabhu @noneck Clarification: nobody in @indiewebcamp uses #drupal *as their own personal website*... http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/11/11/1/drupal (twitter.com/_/status/532280772708036608)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/11/11/1/drupal linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/11/11/1/drupal linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2014-10-12#t1413151437010 (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://randalmatheny.com/2014/11/11/gnusocial-withknown/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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kylewm "Other services like Flickr (isn’t that one passé?)..."
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kylewm is Flickr the first silo that has been obsoleted without anybody replacing it?
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aaronpk_ it hasn't really been obsoleted
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kylewm I don't really think so either
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aaronpk_ it still has a pretty huge community
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sparverius and afaik flickr now makes it easy to unsilo
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sparverius might be wrong about that
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sparverius also smugmug could be possibly a competitor to them but apparently yahoo got its shit together w/r/t flickr
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@davidpeach1 Plans to build an IndieWeb CMS: http://davidpeach.co.uk/plans-to-build-an-indieweb-cms/ https://twitter.com/davidpeach1/status/532288271762472962/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/532288271762472962)
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@noneck @aaronpk @kartik_prabhu @indiewebcamp dayum! (twitter.com/_/status/532288504697745408)
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@OccuWorld Rise of the IndieWeb -Amber Case http://www.occuworld.org/news/1719279 (twitter.com/_/status/532288714089562112)
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@noneck RT @aaronpk: @kartik_prabhu @noneck Clarification: nobody in @indiewebcamp uses #drupal *as their own personal website*... http://t.co/28u0… (twitter.com/_/status/532288912316977152)
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Loqi [mention] http://jonathanfrei.com/2014/11/indieweb-online linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/2014/Online/Guest_List (webmention)
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@aaronpk @noneck Is that surprising? It looks like your personal site also isn't Drupal! @kartik_prabhu @indiewebcamp (twitter.com/_/status/532295440364883968)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/11/11/2/ linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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aaronpk_ I kind of miss the days when websites had lots of tiny text
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aaronpk_ maybe I can make a retro theme for my site or something
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@jfrei New Post: IndieWeb online http://jonathanfrei.com/2014/11/indieweb-online?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/532296223776989184)
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@LifeHealthDiary This is why everyone should have options to #OwnYourData http://www.cnet.com/au/news/wearable-tech-most-important-race-turning-heartbeats-into-cash/ Stay tuned! We'll help you take control! (twitter.com/_/status/532304213712576512)
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Loqi [mention] http://stlk.cjbahamachat.com/blogs.php?pg=9609 linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/pingback (pingback)
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aaronpk wow we just got a spam pingback
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aaronpk guess I shouldn't be that surprised
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aaronpk tho kind of funny that it was to the pingback page specifically
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kylewm aaronpk: shouldn't that be filtered since that page doesn't link to indiewebcamp.com?
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aaronpk it probably did at the time the pingback was sent
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aaronpk seems like a good spam trick
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aaronpk create a page that actually does link to the spam target, and after the first request to that page, update it to redirect to your desired location
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aaronpk the first request to that page being the target verifying the link exists
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GWG No Smugmug page in the wiki? Hmmm..
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kylewm ahh I see and since pingback required a backlink, they wouldn't need to write an exploit specifically for webmention
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aaronpk the same thing could happen with webmention
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aaronpk could technically even happen with a vouched webmention if the vouch was legit
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@noneck @aaronpk it is surprising. i thought #Drupal was on this bespoke web bandwagon. ps - i was looking to @indiewebcamp my new drupal site. 8-] (twitter.com/_/status/532313748732510208)
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kylewm bespoke--
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Loqi bespoke has -1 karma
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kylewm just like, as a word in general
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aaronpk lol
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snarfed1 eh it's just british for proprietary, right?
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snarfed1 and/or custom
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snarfed1 i guess custom
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@aaronpk @noneck @indiewebcamp Well the good news is there's lots of PHP libraries which should be easy to use in #drupal! http://indiewebcamp.com/PHP#Libraries (twitter.com/_/status/532314403274620929)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/11/11/4/drupal linked to http://indiewebcamp.com (webmention)
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Loqi [mention] http://aaronparecki.com/replies/2014/11/11/4/drupal linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/PHP#Libraries (webmention)
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kylewm i take it back if it's just a britishism
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kylewm bespoke++
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aaronpk loqi disagrees
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Loqi :)
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snarfed https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Abespoke
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kylewm snarfed: was that a lmgtfy?