#indiewebcamp 2015-04-23

2015-04-23 UTC
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GWG
100% of attendees are now in HWC NYC
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zachdonovan
we made it!
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GWG
First item on agenda...how to get 200% next time
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GWG
Introductions in NYC
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GWG
zachdonovan is working with Red Wind.
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GWG
Has noticed if there areno tags, it throws an error and would like to work with that
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tantek
GWG - awesome - did you meet Leigh?
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GWG
Only two in attendance.
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GWG
zachdonovan and GWG
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GWG
No other people seemed to show
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@ayirpelle
RT @t: New York City friends TONIGHT 1st NYC 2015 #IndieWeb meetup 7p EDT @WeWork Charging Bull 25 Bwy https://www.facebook.com/events/1596554663924436 (ttk.me t4an1)
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GWG
Planningthe next meeting of the HWC NYC chapter, which will be more successful
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zachdonovan.net
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GWG
How do you change the sidebar on the wiki?
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kylewm
GWG: zachdonovan: 2 is a success! lots of successful meetings in Chicago
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GWG
Where it says Recent and Upcoming
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aaronpk
GWG: /next-hwc is a page that is a redirect
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GWG
kylewm: I think we may need to revisit the venue and the promotion
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zachdonovan
kylewm: agreed!
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GWG
We have 4 weeks
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zachdonovan
kylewm: but we've got ambition. ;)
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kylewm
awesome
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kylewm
where are techy people in NYC? my impression is brooklyn?
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GWG
kylewm: All over.
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kylewm
zachdonovan++
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kylewm
GWG++
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Loqi
zachdonovan has 4 karma
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Loqi
GWG has 90 karma
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GWG
We're wrapping up here, zachdonovan has to go home
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GWG
I've identified food venues for next month, if we can't find anything else
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GWG
A diner
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GWG
A pizza place
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GWG
And a deli
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GWG
Maybe I can talk Jeremy into hosting
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GWG
We're breaking for the evening
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dpg
hey all!
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jayz
slapps dpg with a wet trout
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JustinO
good day all
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jayz
select * from irc join freenode on irc.id = freenode.channel_id
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kylewm
waves to HWC SF, sorry I could not make it tonight
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@benwerd
Apologies for not making it to Homebrew Website Club tonight (but if you're near Mozilla SF, there's still time!) #indieweb
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kylewm
hi jayz, welcome, what brings you here?
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KevinMarks_
you coming kylewm?
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jayz
the gibson, im trying to hack it from mozilla's hq. is that ok?
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kylewm
KevinMarks_: no sorry I could not make it up there tonight
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KevinMarks_
ah, OK, I was hoping to continue the mf2 parsing jesuitry
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KevinMarks_
as I stopped suddenly because I had to ride a bike
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JustinO
🖖
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kylewm
_\\//
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: welcome to homebrew website club!
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I deployed https embeds of vimeo videos - when I post a note on my site it does an autoembed of the video
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: it uses their magic vimeo embed markup without doing any network queries
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: cassis autoembed is in my library cassis.js that compiles as PHP and JS
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tantek
KevinMarks: one thing I did was to port cassis autoembed to Python
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: we now have a python version of the cassis autoembed thanks to Kyle https://github.com/kylewm/cassis-autolink-py
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JustinO
zalowitz
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: Jay: what would it take for you to tweet from your own site like http://tantek.com
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @jayzalowitz: why would you do it that way?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @jayzalowitz: because that way I have more control over it
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: rather than use my website code I'd recommend using https://withknown.com/ - I've open sourced some of it as cassis.js
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @meyerweb: I don't have much to say, I'm here to listen - I recently got my admins to fix my wordpress install
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GWG
Did someone say Wordpress?
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tantek
yes - Eric Meyer uses WordPress
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @obiwankimberly: my known site is kimberly.withknown,com -something is afoot at the circle K
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dpg: I'm still confused about indieweb vs corporate web - I read http://indiewebcamp.com about 10 minutes before i started
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aaronpk
at pdx we're looking at websites in a recently-compiled build of Mosaic
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tantek
aaronpk - remember to ask about confirming July 11-12 for IWC with people
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dpg: techendo was blogging for founders - and they were too busy, now it is bootcamp reviews
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tantek
same with you GWG
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aaronpk
pdx.esri.com and aaronparecki.com are mostly readable
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aaronpk
google.com however is an entire screen of javascript, followed by the first human-readable text of "download chrome"
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dpg: now working on channelpie which works on all my social systems
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dpg: now I'm working on a robotics meetup and a way for bootstrappers to find money from smart investors
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: by corporate web we are referring to social media silos like facebook, twitter g+ instagram etc
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: rather than create an account on some corporation's site, have your own domain, but be able to do the same things
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GWG
We have 4 weeks to improve on tonight's HWC NYC
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we do the things like tweets or likes or invites and rsvps on our sites, and send copies to the corporate sites
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: see http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths for all the corporate sites that have lost people's data
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dpg: I don't like polluting the blockchain
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @dpg: we find tat urls and websites keep working
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we find that URLs and websites keep working and other things don't
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leofseige
pdx.esri.com on NCSA Mosaic: http://i.imgur.com/a1E5z1M.png
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: I can post an RSVP to my site and have a copy on facebook- it's peer to peer, but facebook is distribution
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: with indieweb we see these corporate silos as distribution mechanisms - we don't shun thme, we use thm
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ttepasse
KevinMarks ( KevinMarks_?), your to-Twitter-Things spams your followers with @replies, because you put the hashtag first.
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tantek
KevinMarks summarizes micropub
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tantek
ttepasse: no they are not @replies - they are quotes from that person
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ttepasse
Hm. How should one know?
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @kevinmarks: also new is https://feverdream.herokuapp.com/ which lets you post to http://t.co/nCjZOuyZKm, tumblr and blogger using micropub
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KevinMarks_
the grammar is tag @name: quote
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ttepasse
For me in my Twitter client it looked like a script gone amok. ;)
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tantek
ttepasse: welcome to watching KevinMarks livetweeting :)
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dpg
this is awesome. :)
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@skyler
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: see http://indiewebcamp.com/site-deaths for all the corporate sites that have lost people's data
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we figured out the likely candidate date for indiewebcamp 2015
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: we spend the first day starting with demos, then brainstorms. the 2nd day is a hack day, then it ends with new demos
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: last year we did indiewebcamp simultaneously in berlin, new york and portland
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: this year we're looking at July 11th and 12th in Portland, and potentially adding other cities in parallel
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@kevinmarks
#indieweb @t: if anyone wants to do another location at the same time as Portland do please step up and make one on the wiki
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GWG
Is the 11th confirmed?
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KevinMarks_
not fully, but it's looking good sofar
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tantek
sounds like everyone is ok with July 11-12
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tantek
here at HWC SF
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tantek
PDX? aaronpk?
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tantek
great!
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GWG
Maybe I should go somewhere.
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GWG
I'll make it work
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post-by-email
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post-by-email
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@Shoq
RT @kevinmarks: #indieweb @t: we find that URLs and websites keep working and other things don't
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tantek
July 11-12 is a go
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tantek
we're wrapping up here in SF
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tantek
going for a tour of the 7th floor
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KartikPrabhu
waaah who gone and done this cassis-to-python port!
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GWG
I'm home
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GWG
So, what does everyone think about more remote participation in HWC?
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@oSoftDev
That's enough #webdev for today--tomorrow will be a #javascript minefield :) #indieweb https://twitter.com/oSoftDev/status/591116015750230016/photo/1
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@diplix
@monoxyd der herr @pfefferle hat da viel pionierarbeit geleistet. es lohnt sich seine indieweb-wordpress-plugins mal näher anzusehen.
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@oler
RT @diplix: etwas unstringenter text zum indieweb & warum volltext-publizieren in sozialen netzwerken das neue volltext-RSS ist. http://t.c…
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@pfefferle
@diplix @monoxyd in der aktuellen Ausgabe vom @screengui_de ist ein Artikel über das #IndieWeb . Nicht zu technisch aber ein guter Einstig
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@kevinmarks
“Harrumph. So because fair use doesn’t apply everywhere, SoundCloud won’t recognize it anywhere.” http://www.niemanlab.org/2015/04/journalists-shouldnt-lose-their-rights-in-their-move-to-private-platforms/ #indieweb
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@indiewebcamp
RT @t: great talk by @barryf on “Why We Need The IndieWeb” https://vimeo.com/125167234 with why, how to, markup, code etc. (ttk.me t4aj1)
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@zeldman
@bastianallgeier Everything I wrote for http://t.co/9PyZ3CJ65Z, Macworld, net magazine, PDN Pix, and other pubs is gone. Never again!
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tantek
does anyone do anything special when they receive a webmention from a quotation of their content?
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tantek
and if you don't do anything special when receiving a webmention from a quotation of (part of) your post, should the fallback behavior be "reply" or just a "mention" ?
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tantek
I'm leaning towards just a "mention" as fallback
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tantek
and perhaps marking up the link to the source of the quotation with some variant of : u-quoted-from, u-quote-of, u-quotation-of (similar to u-like-of or u-repost-of)
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tantek
thinking u-quote-of (shorter than) > u-quotation-of
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tantek
and new u-*-of > u-*-from because more like (and thus easier to remember) others like u-like-of , u-repost-of
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tantek
welcome back KevinMarks
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tantek
I'm asking the æther questions about quote/quotation posts
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Loqi
[mention] felix schwenzel commented '@pfefferle danke auch über http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress diese step-by-step einführung gefunden, die aber auch gleichzeitig die indieweb...' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress (http://known.schwenzel.de/2015/pfefferle-danke-auch-ber-wordpress-diese-step-by-step-einfhrung-gefunden-die)
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Loqi
[mention] Chris Aldrich commented 'Dan, since you're primarily on WordPress, if you weren't already, you might like to be aware that most of the principles behind WithKnown st...' on a post that linked to https://indiewebcamp.com/Getting_Started_on_WordPress (http://stream.boffosocko.com/2015/dan-since-youre-primarily-on-wordpress-if-you-werent-already)
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Loqi
[bridgy] felix schwenzel replied '@pfefferle danke auch über indiewebcamp.com/WordPress diese step-by-step einführung gefunden, die aber auch .. known.schwenzel.de/s/3OJBt' to a tweet http://indiewebcamp.com/WordPress (https://twitter.com/diplix/status/591173857303728128)
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KevinMarks_
would a fragmention constitute an implied u-quote-of ?
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@digitalblissltd
RT @t: great talk by @barryf on “Why We Need The IndieWeb” https://vimeo.com/125167234 with why, how to, markup, code etc. (ttk.me t4aj1)
(twitter.com/_/status/591198780248166400)
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@mapkyca
Messing around with tor hidden services, @withknown now happily running #indieweb
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GWG
Good morning
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pfefferle
GWG good morning
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GWG
pfefferle: What is new with you?
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@CaptainKurtis
RT @mapkyca: Messing around with tor hidden services, @withknown now happily running #indieweb
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@cmal_PP
Wow. It seems I can now push stuff to social networks from my own website. #IndieWeb
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Loqi
[mention] Ben Borges commented 'The #indieWeb Principles in the end are just common sense ideas applied to a post snowden era !' on a post https://indiewebcamp.com/Principles (http://www.1-m.cc/2015/the-indieweb-principles-in-the-end-are-just-common-sense)
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kylewm
huh, getting weird SSL errors trying to curl https://cmal.info/
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kylewm
curl: (60) SSL certificate problem: unable to get local issuer certificate
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kylewm
but looks good in the browser
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@strugee2
RT @t: great talk by @barryf on “Why We Need The IndieWeb” https://vimeo.com/125167234 with why, how to, markup, code etc. (ttk.me t4aj1)
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, don't know enough about known to respond to that
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ben_thatmustbeme
"The SSLCertificateChainFile was the missing link."
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rhiaro
sooo ssl question
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rhiaro
I don't have https. My main site runs on shared hosting, for Reasons, and I discovered the other day that visiting https://rhiaro.co.uk (and accepting warnings) loads someone else's site.
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rhiaro
I asked the hosting company to fix this, and they want to add a line to my .htaccess file. This doesn't *seem* like it should be the right solution. It doesn't seem like something that should have been happening at all.
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rhiaro
But I don't know anything about this (it's on my todo list..) so I thought I'd get some opinions before I challenge them..
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: it actually makes sense
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme: oh, okay
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rhiaro
seemed like something that should be configurable deeper in apache than my .htaccess file
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ben_thatmustbeme
accessing the https:// for your site goes to your server IP on port 443, if (for example) apache is not set to host your site over https, it will just go to whatever site is listed first for that server (in apache anyway)
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ben_thatmustbeme
.htaccess does sound weird, but i believe in the root directory, it checks that pretty early
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ben_thatmustbeme
that portion does seem odd, but i can see if working
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ben_thatmustbeme
i believe it parses the .htaccess files before access anyway
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ben_thatmustbeme
have you gotten that to work?
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ben_thatmustbeme
that would say for sure if it works or not :)
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rhiaro
it works for urls and content negotiation just fine
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rhiaro
they didn't say what they wanted to add to it, just asked about what they can see is already there
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rhiaro
..which also made me suspiciuos. My rewrite rules aren't exactly mysterious, but they asked 'what they are for'
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ben_thatmustbeme
who is your hosting provider?
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ben_thatmustbeme
does sound odd.. actually, i'm wondering... you might be right
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rhiaro
evohosting.co.uk
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rhiaro
I'm with them for legacy reasons
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rhiaro
they've been fine, but I've never wanted much
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ben_thatmustbeme
wait, no, i think you were right actually, i am wrong, i understand why it redirects incorrectly, but unless they add a https entry for your site (which can then redirect to the non-https version, it won't work
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ben_thatmustbeme
this is really on their end
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rhiaro
redirecting to none https isn't good surely? shouldn't it just refuse connection?
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rhiaro
consults indiewebcamp wiki
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rhiaro
thanks
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme++
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme has 66 karma
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aaronpk
rhiaro: yeah that's definitely a problem on their end
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aaronpk
they're obviously not gonna buy an SSL cert for you, but they should be serving either 1) your site with an invalid SSL cert, or 2) a default page of their saying "no site configured here" or whatever their normal thing is
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rhiaro
aaronpk: yeah
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rhiaro
they sell ssl certs
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rhiaro
so they should have some idea of how to set this up
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aaronpk
that's not comforting
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rhiaro
their FAQ for 'how to set up SSL' is 'buy a cert from us and we'll set it up for you'
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rhiaro
I'm going to enquire about how to set it up if I don't want to buy it from them, and see if they cooperate
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aaronpk
you should be able to get a free cert from startssl, then give them the private key and cert and they should be able to install it
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rhiaro
but whether they will or not is the question ;)
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rhiaro
maybe if I ask this via a public tweet I'll get better results
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bret
i'm getting the impression the goal of linked data is to turn the web into a relational database
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kylewm
...which sounds awesome?
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bret
as a loose theory, but modeling information expresses worldview and opinion
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bret
seems hard to make that scale
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aaronpk
i also don't see how that overlaps with making a twitter clone
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aaronpk
oh boy
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bret
apples going to get in trouble if they keep doing this
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aaronpk
i wonder if that's why there hasn't been a pebble update since february
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bret
this is some serious IE level bullshit
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aaronpk
in order to publish your JS pebble app and make it available to iOS, Pebble has to recompile their own app and push an update on the pebble store
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aaronpk
so they have this forum thread where they were announcing "submit your changes by X date" which is when they'd go do a build and publish to the store
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aaronpk
it stopped updating in february
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aaronpk
oh snap! they just posted again 2 days ago!
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aaronpk
oh this is good news, this means Teacup for pebble is going to be available on iOS!
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bret
i hate app stores with passion, every os x app i have ever bought eventually burned me in some way (eg sorry we just cant do that in the app store version)
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bret
the only one that remotely gets it right is steam
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aaronpk
some of that is iOS platform limitations
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bret
ios the alternative is actually worse
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bret
eg cydia
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bret
desktop though, I pretty much avoid the app store almost all together
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bret
windows app store is horrid too
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ben_thatmustbeme
wonders if anyone else has worked on person-tag lately
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AcidNerd
do you know how is the wordpress implementation of indieweb manage plugins upgrades ?
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AcidNerd
and if there would be a simple way to know there is upgrades to plugins (beside rss,git hub follow to check coder activity)
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AcidNerd
also thinking on doing a simple .sh script that would wget the latest version of each plugin when executed
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AcidNerd
but it seems Known indieweb plugins are already spread among a few people, so i wanted to know if there is a comprehensive list somewhere ?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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ben_thatmustbeme
can ask benwerd that way
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ben_thatmustbeme
also, woo, got person-mentions working now. Only mentions of my homepage will show up on the sidebar on my site
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rhiaro
aaronpk, ben_thatmustbeme: ssl update - I got a reply from someone higher up the chain explaining that the cert thing was to do with an IP address problem resulting from the server being ddos'd a couple of months ago. still their fault, but better than them just being incompetant. Also it's a few cpanel button clicks to install my own, so I'll do that soon.
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aaronpk
oh good
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zachdonovan
afternoon, folks!
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rhiaro
https://snarfed.org/2014-04-08_8929 <- does this mean that snarfed likes ben_thatmustbeme, or ben_thatmustbeme's homepage/site?
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ben_thatmustbeme
i'm not sure honestly
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ben_thatmustbeme
what does that url represent?
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rhiaro
also nice work on person tags :) I want to add that soon
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ben_thatmustbeme
me? or my page?
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ben_thatmustbeme
or is it a document? we should discuss this....
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rhiaro
quite
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rhiaro
I hate to mention it, but this is what the httpRange-14 issue was supposed to resolve :D
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ben_thatmustbeme
actually, since it is a URL and not an H-card, i would assume it to be liking the site, not the person
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ben_thatmustbeme
or more clearly "since it is not an h-card, its not meant as the person"
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rhiaro
I would agree
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rhiaro
does your h-card have a unique identifier?
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rhiaro
so someone could like you as a person if they wanted to?
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aaronpk
omg did you just solve httprange14 with microformats?
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rhiaro
that conclusion is the same as httpRange-14
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm... wonder if i should actually aaronpk, not quite, only for references
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ben_thatmustbeme
forgets to remove unfinished lines
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ben_thatmustbeme
aaronpk, not quite, only for references
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm... wonder if I should split those out and have "site mentions vs person-mentions"
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ben_thatmustbeme
in which case, this is probably in the wrong section
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rhiaro
so acceptably to semantic web pedants you could whack a # on the end of a url to make it represent you and not the site
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rhiaro
and that's basically a summary of the httpRange14 resolution
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ben_thatmustbeme
which i think is a TERRIBLE idea
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rhiaro
how come?
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aaronpk
i am not a hash sign :P
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rhiaro
you could also use a different url altogether
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ben_thatmustbeme
since # is supposed to be processed by the client, and will not get passed to the server
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ben_thatmustbeme
a different URL is better
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rhiaro
that's the idea ben_thatmustbeme
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ben_thatmustbeme
google.com#notaperson
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ben_thatmustbeme
is that a person now?
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rhiaro
it doesn't have to be
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rhiaro
it is just used for differentiating between websites and not-websites
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rhiaro
aka information resources and non-informational resources
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ben_thatmustbeme
it just pushes the ambiguity further though, now any url with # could possibly bbe considered not-a-website
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rhiaro
good timing tantek, it's httpRange-14 time :D
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ben_thatmustbeme
even though it is
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ben_thatmustbeme
yeah, lets just stop here
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rhiaro
Sorry, I did that on purpose :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
i like the "microformats solves httpRange-14 statement"
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ben_thatmustbeme
and end there :P
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aaronpk
do I need to add an "httpRange-14" trigger to Loqi?
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rhiaro
haha, kicks everyone who mentions it
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ben_thatmustbeme
add "issue-19" too
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rhiaro
well httpRange-14 *is* a resolution (supposedly) not the problem itself
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rhiaro
(the problem being we can't (yet) use http for teleportation)
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tantek
rhiaro nah - no hr-14 problem here
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tantek
catches up on logs
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ben_thatmustbeme
anyway, i think i am actually doing it wrong on my site. those mentions are stored as "person-mentions" but I don't think i should have changed that
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, its a trap
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: I got this
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@kantrn
Was searching for a provider to replace the now-disabled Google OpenID delegation. Found https://indieauth.com/ by @aaronpk. Super cool!
(twitter.com/_/status/591301153771679745)
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tantek
NICE ^^^
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tantek
and when was Google OpenID delegation disabled?
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tantek
need to add that to /site-deaths
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tantek
ok in FIFO order
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tantek
good mroning GWG :)
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ben_thatmustbeme
migrated to something else
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: can you add that to /site-deaths ?
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tantek
and add a citation to that tweet too
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tantek
aaronpk - wait what? when? re: "Teacup for pebble is going to be available on iOS!"
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tantek
ok caught up to rhiaro's question
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kylewm
ben_thatmustbeme: could you explain this -- "since it is a URL and not an H-card, i would assume it to be liking the site, not the person"? Are you thinking a like of a person would be "u-like-of h-card" rather than "u-like-of h-cite"?
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tantek
^^^ not necessary
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tantek
rhiaro re: http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-23/line/1429811317658 it's easy - with following links and looking at the root microformat object
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kylewm
h-card and h-feed are both root microformats objects
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tantek
step one, snarfed's post https://snarfed.org/2014-04-08_8929 is a "u-like-of" "http://ben.thatmustbe.me/"
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ben_thatmustbeme
i would argue that is the case kylewm. u-like-of ben.that.... = like the web page, u-like-of h-card ben.that..... = like of the person
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tantek
step two, get http://ben.thatmustbe.me/ - redirects to https://ben.thatmustbe.me/ - presumed canonical/equivalent as determined by the site
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme: I like it
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tantek
step four look at the *first* root microformats object
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tantek
step five it's an h-card of "Ben Roberts" - a person
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rhiaro
tantek: is this already on the wiki?
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tantek
conclusion: the like is of a person Ben Roberts
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tantek
in pieces
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ben_thatmustbeme
eek... hmmm... so by changing the h-card to be later in the page i change all likes of me to likes of my page?
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/page/feed/
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: eek... hmmm... so by changing the h-card to be later in the feed i change all likes of me to likes of my feed?
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tantek
yep. it's why my h-feed is *inside* my h-card on tantek.com
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rhiaro
Sounds like having the h-card or not in the u-like-of is more precise
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tantek
rhiaro: nope, because as the external linker, you don't get to be authoritative about what the site is
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rhiaro
what if you specifically want to like someone's feed rather than h-card?
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rhiaro
I guess then if they don't provide it, you can't
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tantek
rhiaro: fragment or fragmention. duh. ;)
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tantek
URL with
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tantek
want to like something more specific? link to something more specific.
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: FYI your x-pronouns look buggy
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kylewm
world's converge as tantek advocates kylewm.com/#me to link to a person
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rhiaro
tantek: so do you think the person should always be more general than the site, or it doesn't matter which way round they go (h-card inside h-feed or vice versa)?
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tantek
kylewm it's by design since we first came up with XFN
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tantek
rhiaro: you're asking a cultural question, not a technical question, that's your first confusion.
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tantek
people refer to sites as people, therefore the person
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rhiaro
tantek: I'm asking if you think there should be a general rule/best practice for this, or if it's just up to the person
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tantek
no I'm saying there is an established cultural practice for this
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tantek
established by bloggers in the late 1990s and early 2000s
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rhiaro
I don't think of people as sites
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tantek
it's why hr-14 is irrelevant in practice
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rhiaro
I wouldn't have expected people to think of my site as me
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ben_thatmustbeme
hmm, it also puts a burden on the person posting the like to figure out if they are liking the h-card or the h-feed
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tantek
rhiaro: right, because the SW folks have confused you about that
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tantek
however, pre-Facebook, bloggers all referred to each other by domain
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rhiaro
no, before I knew anything about SW
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek, then shouldn't u-tag-of be sufficient without u-tag-of h-card ?
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tantek
well establisehd at SXSW etc.
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kylewm
I think ben_thatmustbeme's pronouns are buggy, e prefers eirs pronouns gender neutral
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rhiaro
I was on the web for a long time before I was on the SW
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kylewm
s/are/are not
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Loqi
kylewm meant to say: I think ben_thatmustbeme's pronouns are not buggy, e prefers eirs pronouns gender neutral
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: no because the tagging semantics are expressed *by* the linker
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kylewm
south-by-semantic-web?
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tantek
heh - indeed - lots of lowercase semantic web was conceived / deployed there
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tantek
rhiaro: my point is, there's a pre-established cultural practice that emerged naturally. people as sites/domains.
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tantek
as a scientist it makes sense to look at and use that data
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ben_thatmustbeme
if you mean buggy because of the choice of pronoun, it isn't thats by design, mainly for testing
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tantek
instead of being a philosopher
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tantek
which is the fundamental reason why hr-14 is ignorable
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tantek
it's science vs. philosophy
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: neat! so kylewm was right then.
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek could you explain why its different a little more. You mean if i said I Like Bob Jones and included the person's name, etc then its okay to use an h-card
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rhiaro
tantek: Admittedly my dataset is probably smaller than yours due to less experience, but I didn't observe this in blogging and web circles (pre-facebook) at all
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: simple. There are such things as person tags as established by common practice in silos
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ben_thatmustbeme
tantek: there is an established practice of liking a person, look at tinder, ok-cupid, etc
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: right, it's the difference between information that is a "preview" of sorts of data that is at the site, and information that indicates author intent
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ben_thatmustbeme
so lacking the h-card, it falls back to parsing the page for the first top level microformats
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ben_thatmustbeme
but with an h-card its unambiguously a person
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tantek
btw it's not u-tag-of h-card anyway
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tantek
u-tag-of links to the h-entry that you're tagging
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tantek
that you are making a TAG OF
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ben_thatmustbeme
yeah, sorry, u-category
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tantek
it's the u-category h-card that's the person tag
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: right, it's author intent - on both sides
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tantek
my point was, it was easy to answer rhiaro's question
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ben_thatmustbeme
blames kylewm for leading me astray it "Are you thinking a like of a person would be "u-like-of h-card" rather than "u-like-of h-cite"?"
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loqi.me
created /belong.io (+125) "prompted by kylewm and dfn added by kylewm"
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tantek
you can have a "u-like-of h-card" if you like
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ben_thatmustbeme
so, then my question is this, can you make a u-like-of h-feed ?
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tantek
you can have <a rel="met friend colleague" class="u-like-of h-card" .. > too
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: no because the object itself is not an h-feed
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tantek
that's the problem with that
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tantek
it only works for h-card because an h-card with just name and URL works
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tantek
whereas a feed does not
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ben_thatmustbeme
yes, is there a way to unambiguously refer to an h-feed when the h-feed is not the first item on the page
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ben_thatmustbeme
s/first item/first top level mf class object/
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Loqi
ben_thatmustbeme meant to say: yes, is there a way to unambiguously refer to an h-feed when the h-feed is not the first top level mf class object on the page
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tantek
fragment or fragmention
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tantek
is there a way to unambiguously refer to something on a page? yes, use a fragment or fragmention to it
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ben_thatmustbeme
makes it feel like there is something missing in microformats then
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kylewm.com
edited /belong.io (+235) "add citations"
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tantek
I think we've got the use cases covered, therefore, nothing missing
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tantek
rhiaro - re: is this on (a/the) wiki - looks like my thoughts have evolved since the last time I captured
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ben_thatmustbeme
fragments only work IF there is an ID attached though. without any.... and fragmentions are going to change based on content (besdies it would be liking a specific passage)
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rhiaro
so the answer is: follow the microformats
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rhiaro
I think it'd be good to have a protocol of sorts, like you described step by step tantek, documented
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: right, so if you have to enable it as the publisher
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rhiaro
but yes, as ben_thatmustbeme says, if the publisher doesn't provided a suitable fragment to use, you have to assume they don't want people to like their feed/h-card
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tantek
just as you enable stuff by adding microformats
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rhiaro
hmmm, this turned out to be a super useful conversation
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tantek
really? which part?
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rhiaro
and here I just thought I was trolling
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rhiaro
clearing up how microformats can be used to reference people or feeds, and how people think about these things
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ben_thatmustbeme
but you added microformats, that should be enough to enable liking, seems rather odd to require an ID on feeds to like them, but not on h-cards
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ben_thatmustbeme
although, i can see the difference
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rhiaro
microformats are not yet deeply embedded in my psyche so I forget
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme: So I guess it's also up to the publisher to decide whether they want person or feed at top level
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rhiaro
(example pending)
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rhiaro
and you follow the microformats when liking to figure out what you're liking
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rhiaro
or, I mean, to make sure you're liking the appropriate thing
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ben_thatmustbeme
yes, which seems rather confusing to me
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ben_thatmustbeme
the same markup on my site, with different URLs can mean wildly different things, so my thought was, can I specify h-card always if its a person and something else always if not, and avoid any ambiguity in my likes
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ben_thatmustbeme
how do those that do not have the h-feed on their homepage mark-up the link to their feed?
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KartikPrabhu
ben_thatmustbeme: rel=feed
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ben_thatmustbeme
href="http://ben.thatmustbe.me/" class="u-like-of" rel="feed"
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kylewm
!tell elf-pavlik were you ever able to connect to woodwind with indiecert?
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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KartikPrabhu
ben_thatmustbeme: no. rel indicates relationship between 2 documents
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme: ^ so because I want my url to refer to my site, not me
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rhiaro
that should work for microformats people whilst also being fine for SW people
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KartikPrabhu
if you do a u-like-of with rel=feed it will say that the like post has a feed
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kylewm
KartikPrabhu++
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Loqi
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rhiaro
KartikPrabhu: thanks
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ben_thatmustbeme
KartikPrabhu: "the like poast has a feed"?
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ben_thatmustbeme
oh, i see, parsed that english wrong
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KartikPrabhu
it will say that the like-post has a feed page at the linked URL
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ben_thatmustbeme
there is no method to link to a feed that isn't "that feed is the feed for this page"
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KartikPrabhu
not that I know of. what is the use-case?
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KartikPrabhu
you can have multiple feeds for the same site all markedup with rel=feed from homepage. eg. https://kartikprabhu.com/ see nav links at the bottom
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GWG
Good afternoon
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ben_thatmustbeme
getting away from likes, how about a list of feeds i follow
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ben_thatmustbeme
where the feeds are not necessarily the first item in the page (h-card before them)
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ben_thatmustbeme
this would be for publishing a list that i can use in any reader
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GWG
Disclaimer: Afternoon may not vary. Void where prohibited.
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ben_thatmustbeme
reader gets my list of h-feeds to follow
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ben_thatmustbeme
btw, i used to have two h-feeds and a h-card on my homepage, it would have been impossible for anyone to follow my "articles only" feed
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@voxpelli
@julien51 WebMention / Pingback / Salmon are/were the solutions to that, right? Salmon even had a feed item format if I remember correctly?
(twitter.com/_/status/591311868985245696)
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KartikPrabhu
ben_thatmustbeme: I recall a discussion at the microformats wiki using "rel-following" or something
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KartikPrabhu
can't find it now
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voxpelli
XFN rel-follow would be the way to mark up a list of feeds one follow
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voxpelli
Then step 2: Convert to OPML 3: Do a live import to a reader 4: Profit!
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ben.thatmustbe.me
edited /site-deaths (+1196) "/* Past */ add google openid shutdown"
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ben_thatmustbeme
rel-follow would still nto be able to specify a feed within the page however
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ben_thatmustbeme
although not sure thats necessarily important
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ben_thatmustbeme
so long as rel-follow assumes it only refers to h-feed not an h-card
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KartikPrabhu
ben_thatmustbeme: yeah. why is that important. if there is a separate feed page link to that
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ben_thatmustbeme
as rel-follow h-card seems rather.... like a stalker
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KartikPrabhu
that is the usual defn of following on social netwroks
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ben_thatmustbeme
KartikPrabhu: there isn't a seperate feed page
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@voxpelli
@julien51 I know, kind of a catch 22, barely any blog support either :/ Also: For many readers https://indiewebcamp.com/webactions would be better fit
(twitter.com/_/status/591313093269028865)
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ben_thatmustbeme
enjoys playing devils advocate
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ben_thatmustbeme
still can't like an h-feed unambiguously though
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KartikPrabhu
then link to whatever page has the feed
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ben_thatmustbeme
KartikPrabhu: can't, an h-card occurs on the page above the h-feed
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KartikPrabhu
if you want something to be unambiguously refered to then it should have its own URL
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@voxpelli
@julien51 To go all Indieweb on you: Perhaps Micropub-support in Subtome – publish follow activity to ones blog which could then WebMention?
(twitter.com/_/status/591313486132736000)
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KevinMarks
We came up with xfn to link to sites as people, and it got huge adoption
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KartikPrabhu
i mean. suppose i go all old school and publish posts only in a stream and not have individual URLs and pages for each post, how will you like a particular post unambiguously?
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ben_thatmustbeme
okay, thats a fair point KartikPrabhu
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KevinMarks
And blogging practice was always to link to people's blogs as them when citing
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KartikPrabhu
KevinMarks++
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Loqi
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Loqi
[mention] Kyle Mahan commented '@julien51 @voxpelli I don’t have feedbin anymore (because reader.kylewm.com!), but it’s described here indiewebcamp.com/feedbin#Sharing' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/feedbin#Sharing (https://kylewm.com/2015/04/julien51-voxpelli-i-don-t-have-feedbin-anymore-because)
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KevinMarks
We'd link to blog posts and cite by name - here's me in 2001: http://epeus.blogspot.com/2001/11/winer-and-locke-are-having-spat-about.html
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voxpelli
One can always add a hash to link to a specific part of the page in an XFN, link, no? Then whether client supports such advanced parsing is another matter
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KartikPrabhu
voxpelli: only if the publisher provides the fragment as id
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KartikPrabhu
fragmentions technically refer to some particular text and not a fragment/element on the page
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voxpelli
I guess that's pretty okay though?
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KartikPrabhu
voxpelli: not if the goal to to link to a particular h-feed or something
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voxpelli
KartikPrabhu: if you have many h-feed's, why not give them ids?
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KartikPrabhu
<shrug> i would give them their own URLs
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KartikPrabhu
but the problem discussed above was "what to do if that is not the case"
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ben_thatmustbeme
i think i have convinced myself h-feeds should just have cannonical URLs
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ben_thatmustbeme
and then in my main site i will just list h-card first, and assume any likes of my homepage, are likes of Me.... because everybody likes me
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ben_thatmustbeme
(i can assume only because it is listed first)
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snarfed
GWG++, just wanted to give you some props, i've really been enjoying having visible syndication links (icons) on my posts! e.g. https://snarfed.org/2015-04-21_introducing-color-genomics
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Loqi
snarfed: gRegorLove left you a message 1 day ago: I'm getting some 401 Unauthorized errors on Bridgy Publish after it redirects back from Twitter. I got one yesterday but it worked on re-try. Just happened again twice, though. http://indiewebcamp.com/irc/2015-04-22/line/1429730013713
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snarfed
thank you for writing that plugin!
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kylewm
oh my goodness, something weird is happening
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kylewm
the fat pings I get from withknown.superfeedr.com give me activitystreams JSON ???!
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@withknown
RT @mapkyca: Messing around with tor hidden services, @withknown now happily running #indieweb
(twitter.com/_/status/591324309190152195)
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kylewm
ah, because Known does content negotiation, and superfeedr must be requesting with Accept: application/json
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kylewm
wrench, meet works
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voxpelli
weird if Superfeedr prefers JSON above Atom/RSS though? sounds like someone is doing the content negotiation wrong
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme: I don't have a h-feed yet. on my homepage I want to play with sorting and displaying content in lots of different ways, so I intend to have a totally separate page that's just a feed of everything
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rhiaro
and I agree that h-feeds are important enough ot have their own urls
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kylewm
voxpelli: would one expect werd.io/content/all to return RSS with Accept: application/rss+xml?
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voxpelli
kylewm: wouldn't expect, but it would be possible?
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme: also if you wanted to tag a feed you could use that
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AcidNerd
would be great
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@voxpelli
@aaronpk @julien51 Remembered now that @hmans is planning to send WebMentions as well – but for follows themselves: https://github.com/hmans/indiepants/issues/61
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voxpelli
it's hard to tweet unnoticed around here :P
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hmans
concurs
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hmans
We're just about to complete our move to the new flat. I have a Pants room now!
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hmans
I'm sitting in it!
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hmans
It's awesome!
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ben_thatmustbeme
a Pants room?
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hmans
A room for the sole purpose of developing Pants.
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ben_thatmustbeme
not developement for other thing
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rhiaro
Ooh I doubt this is a new idea, but following page as ^ hmans plans would be useful for if you wanted to switch readers. You could sign in, new reader can discover your following page, and follow everything for you
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rhiaro
only works if you're okay with public list of following though
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kylewm
benwerd: I sort of figured out what's going on with Known and push pings
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kylewm
I am getting them from you, but they contain activitystreams JSON instead of HTML in the body (!!)
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: doesn't necessarily need to be public, could be done with auth first
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benwerd
kylewm: iiiiinteresting
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme: aye
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ben_thatmustbeme
also, according to xfn, you can do that to link to a page with rel=me
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ben_thatmustbeme
i went through that when figuring out how to publish my whitelist correctly
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme: I'm not sure I follow?
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benwerd
ben_thatmustbeme: neat, thanks
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ben_thatmustbeme
all pages on my site have a link in the header
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rhiaro
where's rel=me?
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ben_thatmustbeme
<link rel="me" href="https://ben.thatmustbe.me/whitelist">
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ben_thatmustbeme
if you wanted to do this with a following list it should be the same
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rhiaro
oh, why does rel=me make sense?
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hmans
rhiaro, I publish all my followings (and followers) on http://hmans.io/following (courtesy of old-pants, which is still powering the site)
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme: isn't that implying that the /whitelist is the same as you? I think I'm missing something
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ben_thatmustbeme
rhiaro: it does. its saying this is MY contacts.
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rhiaro
hmans: awesome. be great if readers use this to auto follow everyone
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ben_thatmustbeme
looks up reason why he did this
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbeme: oh, I didn't read it that way
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rhiaro
I thought rel="me" just meant this also represents me. Which, to me, a contact list wouldn't be.
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rhiaro
hmans: do you get your followers from their sites?
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rhiaro
ben_thatmustbe: fab, thanks, that's interesting
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tantek
returns - sitting in W3C TAG meeting as an invited guest
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tantek
GWG, congrats again on organizing HWC NYC - like Chicago, two is a humble beginning, but there's lots more people / transit in NYC, so you've got some good potential ahead of you.
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ben_thatmustbeme
just get KevinMarks to plug it on TWIG :P
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tantek
seriously
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: add that to /HWC page - in a "how to promote" section ;)
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tantek
ben_thatmustbeme: re: (i can assume only because it is listed first) <-- it's a reasonable general assumption since people typically put their names at the top of their sites, which should be marked up in h-card, before any stream-like content.
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zachdonovan
haha, hey! what am I, chopped liver?
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tantek
zachdonovan++ for hosting HWC NYC!!!
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Loqi
zachdonovan has 5 karma
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ben_thatmustbeme
zachdonovan: i have not met you in person... so I don't know... are you? how are you typing?!
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zachdonovan
haha, aw, shucks
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zachdonovan
ben_thatmustbeme: it's pretty messy
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zachdonovan
but in all seriousness
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zachdonovan
GWG++ for making it happen (marathon commute and all)
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Loqi
GWG has 92 karma
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kylewm
if you missed it, this twitter self-dogfooding fail is interesting: http://eggsbacon.co.nz/twitter_mau
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tantek
that's definitely worthy of adding / linking / embedding in /Twitter#Criticism
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kylewm
doing it now
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tantek
ok giving myself a wiki-task too - going to add subheads to some years in /site-deaths
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tantek
since the previous site subheads "looked better" according to aaronpk
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kylewm.com
edited /Twitter (+330) "/* Criticism */ add Dogfooding failure by execs"
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aaronpk
funny how @katies has 92k followers and isn't even a verified™Â account
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tantek
you can't be verified as a twitter employee
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kylewm.com
edited /Twitter (-11) "/* Dogfooding Fail */ fix typo"
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kylewm
why is that?
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kylewm
appearance of impropriety i guess
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tantek
just their policy
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ben_thatmustbeme
yay, fixed my photos display on mobile
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ben_thatmustbeme
images were ending up too big
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tantek.com
edited /site-deaths (+633) "/* 2013 */ add subheads for sites, citations for yahoo local api shutdown"
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tantek
man adding those subheads is depressing, it's like revisiting and typing the names from a graveyard
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tantek
(aside) snarfed: congrats on Color Genomics product launch!
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tantek
that post is a great example of integrating backfeed from lots of silo copies
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snarfed
tantek: thanks!
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snarfed
ahh true
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tantek.com
edited /backfeed (+113) "/* Ryan Barrett */ add another nice example"
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snarfed
also clearly demonstrates that i need facepiles
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snarfed
baby steps
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tantek
despite "need facepiles" - the presentation is still beautiful and quickly conveys to non-indieweb people how awesome POSSE+backfeed is
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tantek
which is why it's a good IndieWeb Example to list for backfeed
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snarfed
glad to hear it!
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tantek.com
edited /backfeed (-21) "IndieWeb Examples"
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tantek
"show me an example indieweb" is a common request
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tantek
and what they really mean is: show me an example of indieweb that quickly shows what's cool/awesome about it, and better/different than just a blog
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snarfed
agreed
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snarfed
clear examples that are visually self explanatory always help
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tantek
and now that I have like posts on my site… ;)
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tantek
(remind me what's the rough lag time on seeing webmention responses show up on your posts?)
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tantek
is it - whenever you check your moderation queue?
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snarfed
@tantek: roughly half the time it needs me to clear the cache. i've never quite prioritized figuring out how to tune that :/
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snarfed
fixing now
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tantek
ah - supercache?
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tantek
nice!
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tantek
yay my indie-like showed up :)
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snarfed
there are a few native comments, but you and kylewm have the honor of the only two indie likes
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tantek
:successkid:
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snarfed
s/honor/something/ :P
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Loqi
snarfed meant to say: there are a few native comments, but you and kylewm have the something of the only two indie likes
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aaronpk
goes to like the post
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aaronpk
i really need to fix my display of likes to not show the whole blog post of the thing i'm liking
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aaronpk
should show the name of the post instea
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tantek
I'm really quite happy with my minimal display, and specifically the placement of my icon next to the "likes" : http://tantek.com/2015/113/f1
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snarfed
totally! text first design ftw
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tantek
yeah. I think I was much more thorough with the notification/text first design methodology with my design for "like" posts than any other content type.
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zachdonovan
what is text first design?
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tantek
yeah I know I need to do a blog post on that :/
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zachdonovan
looking forward to it!
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Loqi
[mention] Chris Aldrich commented 'Updating @WithKnown Past 0.7.7 and Keeping Social Media Integration 3 min read ...' on a post that linked to http://indiewebcamp.com/posse (http://stream.boffosocko.com/2015/updating-withknown-past-077-and-keeping-social-media-integration)
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KevinMarks_
it says to start by designing the text
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tantek
KevinMarks: as a book, it's out of date already
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tantek.com
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KevinMarks_
"The world’s first web page was practically mobile ready. And that was in a time when there were no tablets or smartphones. There’s one simple reason for this: the web page consisted of plain text."
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tantek
mobile ready is not good enough any more. you need to be notification ready for pieces of microcontent. and now watch ready.
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tantek
like I said, book = out of date
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KevinMarks_
sure, books are that way, doesn't mean they aren't useful for supporting quotes
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tantek
zachdonovan: ok captured / collected in my indiewebcamp inbox here: https://indiewebcamp.com/User:Tantek.com#inbox feel free to add more suggested things you want me to blog about it
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tantek
zachdonovan: if you want something to read now, and you're the type that learns theory by example, check out the design steps here: http://indiewebcamp.com/like#notification_first_design
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zachdonovan
tantek: thanks! double thanks!
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KevinMarks_
reads scrollback
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KevinMarks_
the discussion about post links within a page of short posts - thta was the original blogger style, and the preserve the permalinks
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KevinMarks_
though looks like winer broke his archives
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KevinMarks_
wtf? when did my blog get schema.org injected?
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KevinMarks_
I was looking for the old permalink http://epeus.blogspot.com/2001/11#7053068
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KevinMarks_
and found <div class='post hentry uncustomized-post-template' itemprop='blogPost' itemscope='itemscope' itemtype='http://schema.org/BlogPosting'> <meta content='3200930' itemprop='blogId'/> <meta content='7053068' itemprop='postId'/> <a name='7053068'></a>
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tantek
what a mess
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tantek
feel free to add to /Blogger#Criticism - invalid markup injection into templates
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bret
it looks machine parsable.... but is it? ;)
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bret
KevinMarks_: now you can say you support microdata too ;P
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KevinMarks_
well it is because of the classic microfomrats there -hentry etc
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bret
LOL the microdata parser cant parse your blog
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bret
whats a bnode?
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KevinMarks_
rdf creates a graph of connected things, so it has to make up references for them
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KevinMarks_
in theory it de-dupes them
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KevinMarks_
in practice it adds another layer of indirection instead of nesting
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aaronpk
is that a "blank node"?
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KevinMarks_
step back from the rathole
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kylewm
aaronpk: do you know what content-type you get in pings to monocle?
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kylewm
like, is it logged anywhere, by chance?
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aaronpk
it might be... let me check
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aaronpk
hm no, just the date
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aaronpk
i'm not actually using fat pings right now, i'm just treating a ping as a notification that the url is updated, and I go fetch the feed again
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kylewm
you may not be getting any content at all unless you are doing the little authentication dance with hub.secret
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aaronpk
also switchboard doesn't send fat pings
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kylewm
I'm very curious about why superfeedr is sending json for known sites, the timezone change to paris is killing me
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aaronpk
it was easier to avoid fat pings, made the code on both sides way simpler
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kylewm
hehe, yeah i see a bunch of requests from indiewebcamp.com's ip address every time i create a new post
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kylewm
assume that's monocle?
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GWG
snarfed: Saw your message. Are you using the snarfed friendly CSS files I set up for you?
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snarfed
GWG: nah, still the original css i wrote, since they still work ok
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snarfed
i think you mentioned doing those for general use, right? hopefully not just for me!
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GWG
snarfed: You inspired me.
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GWG
snarfed: Besides, SASS generates them for me automatically.
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GWG
It took me a few minutes to add the extra lines
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GWG
I just run the script every time
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GWG
snarfed: I am thinking of finally trying to use Bridgy Publish full time.
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GWG
Is anyone using it full time?
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snarfed
GWG: woo!
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snarfed
yeah, gregor, barryf, maybe tantek, a number of others
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GWG
I'm trying to figure out what I need to do to ensure it renders as intended each time. No solution I've tried does that.
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GWG
I can't figure out consistent Twitter behavior
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GWG
What does Bridgy do with posts that are more than 140 characters?