#indieweb 2016-07-11
2016-07-11 UTC
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Loqi [indieweb] "@misuba" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/misuba-using-the-same-steps-select-reply-instead-of-repost
# Loqi [indieweb] "@misuba This should already answer some of it : http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/sharing-from-the-indieweb-on-mobile-android-with-apps-and :)" by Rick Mendes https://www.rmendes.net/2016/misuba-this-should-already-answer-some-of-it-2016sharing-from-the-indieweb-on-mobile-android-with-apps-and
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@RikMende @misuba This should already answer some of it : http://stream.boffosocko.com/2016/sharing-from-the-indieweb-on-mobile-android-with-apps-and :) (https://www.rmendes.net/2016/misuba-this-should-already-answer-some-of-it-2016sharing-from-the-indieweb-on-mobile-android-with-apps-and) (twitter.com/_/status/752316044644016128)
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# Loqi [indieweb] "WPD 745 • When to use numeric inputs • Grid, Flexbox each have their specialties • Payment App API" https://webplatformdaily.org/releases/2016-07-11
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@ShitposterClub @HopeStillFlies One of the Indieweb guys added that, I don't think a gnusocial admin. The person (I think) isnt even active on GS anymore (twitter.com/_/status/752381796646461440)
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@HopeStillFlies @criketbat just another random hippie coalition promoting their GNU Social Instance. https://indieweb.org/GNU_social https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/752382321181880325)
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@kevinmarks @HopeStillFlies @ShitposterClub I don't run an instance of gnu social - indieweb is a broader initiative with some protocol overlap (twitter.com/_/status/752399706098020352)
# @kevinmarks Certainly there's a lot to learn from @ShitposterClub and @HopeStillFlies about selective reply propagation #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/752401172502241280)
# Loqi [indieweb] "Certainly there's a lot to learn from @ShitposterClub and @HopeStillFlies about selective reply propagation #indieweb" by Kevin Marks http://known.kevinmarks.com/2016/certainly-theres-a-lot-to-learn-from-shitposterclub-and-hopestillflies
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@openwebdaily “There are now tens of thousands of IndieWeb sites” (i.a. they support webmentions) http://tantek.com/2016/190/b1/state-of-indieweb-summit (twitter.com/_/status/752441064535896066)
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cweiske !tell aaronpk: does your web archive follow the algorithm described in https://indieweb.org/indiearchive#Storage? if yes, do you rewrite all the links in HTML, CSS and JavaScript files to map to the new URLs?
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scottjenson Morning
# scottjenson I'm interested in indie CMS solutions, something like Ghost or Known that can offer self or professional hosting
# scottjenson It turns out some IoT devices can really use web pages and I'm scouting around for simple solutions for makers to put up content without too much hassle
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jonnybarnes scottjenson: what’s wrong with Known? it s indie-web friendly
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ben_thatmustbeme sure, whats up?
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@devleakslinks The #IndieWeb is important - it focuses on You, not the corporations that own the big silo content farms. http://devleaks.com/link/indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/752517811952640000)
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# ben_thatmustbeme GWG, you can do it either as a single URL (and store the actual cite in the references, or you can make it a type:cite
# ben_thatmustbeme s/, or/) or
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petermolnar GWG re: yes, I switched the in-db queue with historical values to a real queue while exporting the mentions themselves to a log
# petermolnar I realized I'm using the database for things I should not use a database for
# petermolnar such as historical logs :)
# petermolnar oh
# petermolnar that is a replacement for another thing: I had a plugin to query and store the HTML of every URL I link
# petermolnar turned out it can eat up a lot of space in the db while I'll never really going to query it in a database-sense
# petermolnar so for now, an archive.org trigger is enough
# petermolnar I'm not going to do that
# petermolnar I don't think that is a good idea
# petermolnar parsed mf2 is a lossy json format of something else
# petermolnar why would I store that?
# ben_thatmustbeme parsed mf2 is lossy, but you lose things that are supposed to be irrelevant (in a social sense)
# petermolnar I don't see a justification in that; essentially it's a recommendation to build a dodgy cache
# ben_thatmustbeme its not like the same html will parse differently later (aside from any bug fixes in the parsing algo)
# petermolnar right; but then, store the html
# ben_thatmustbeme why? its more processing?
# ben_thatmustbeme you have to reprocess it every time, and its not like you ever use the HTML format version
# petermolnar because that can be exported and human-parsed
# petermolnar more bullet proof for the future
# petermolnar if you store something, store something readable, in my opinion :)
# ben_thatmustbeme its only a cache though, if you are talking long term storage thats different
# ben_thatmustbeme which do you want?
# petermolnar oh, for cache, sure
# Loqi aaronpk: cweiske left you a message 3 hours, 29 minutes ago: does your web archive follow the algorithm described in https://indieweb.org/indiearchive#Storage? if yes, do you rewrite all the links in HTML, CSS and JavaScript files to map to the new URLs?
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voxpelli sknebel: I think it's in regard to https://google.github.io/physical-web/ considering that scottjenson seems to be lead of that project :)
# ben_thatmustbeme GWG, petermolnar, I think this might be a better discussion for #indieweb-dev perhaps
# petermolnar ETOOMANYROOMS
# voxpelli scottjenson: a pretty full list of IndieWeb projects can be found on: https://indieweb.org/projects I myself do Jekyll now, but haven't been thinking about it in an IoT/Physical Web scenario yet
# petermolnar CMS for IoT? ugh. I've checked that physical-web idea, and while I do see a point in some cases, since it requires an internet connection from both parties, why not just put a proxy on them?
# petermolnar (and yes, I did install a debian with nginx, php, mysql and a wordpress on one of my old smartphones, and I admit: it was both a stupid and a horrendously slow experiment)
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tantek !tell kevinmarks thanks for posting the indie event for HWC SF this week. could you post a FB POSSE copy as well and link to it from the event page SF RSVP section? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-13-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco
# tantek !tell kylewm if kevinmarks hasn't already, could you post a FB POSSE copy for the HWC SF indie event this week (or make your own), and link to it from the event page SF RSVP section? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-13-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco
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# snarfed is suddenly self conscious that bridgy gets its own channel on https://chat.indieweb.org/
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[kevinmarks] Hm, nor seeing channel indicators on mobile chrome
# Loqi [kevinmarks]: tantek left you a message 1 hour, 5 minutes ago: thanks for posting the indie event for HWC SF this week. could you post a FB POSSE copy as well and link to it from the event page SF RSVP section? https://indieweb.org/events/2016-07-13-homebrew-website-club#San_Francisco
# [kevinmarks] I didn't realise that fb event posse was manual. Will do that
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@luxagraf There are lots of reasons the #IndieWeb faded, but I think OAuth deserves quite a bit of blame. (twitter.com/_/status/752556538129252352)
# [kevinmarks] I'm on the experimental version
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@aaronpk @luxagraf Sorry you couldn't make it to IndieWeb Summit, but here's recap post and videos! http://tantek.com/2016/190/b1/state-of-indieweb-summit https://aaronparecki.com/2016/06/18/7/indieweb-summit-videos (twitter.com/_/status/752557417502617600)
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# [benatwork] I’m abstaining from Homebrew this week because I’m planning on going to a Black Lives Matter meeting. Tangential question: how could indieweb help people to save reports to a space they controlled? Diamond Reynolds’s Facebook was taken over by the police shortly after her livestream, and the livestreamed video was made unavailable until Facebook revived it.
# [benatwork] ^ A concrete way owning your own data can be very meaningful to a group whose voices need to be heard.
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aaronpk [benatwork]: not that this is at all a satisfactory answer, but video (especially streaming) is challenging. I found a tutorial I'm planning on attempting in the near future to set up self-hosted streaming and recording https://www.vultr.com/docs/setup-nginx-on-ubuntu-to-stream-live-hls-video
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@tggleeson POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/752562366299111425)
# voxpelli https://api.periscope.tv/api/v2/accessVideoPublic?broadcast_id=1DXxyZjvrWVKM -> replay_url that is a .m3u8 -> stream to a tmp location and then send a micropub with the full video
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# scottjenson Sorry, had to step away
# scottjenson hey!
# scottjenson People were recommending Jekyll
# scottjenson happy to look into that
# scottjenson Simple pages that you put into a Physical Web beacon
# scottjenson So really simple content at first
# scottjenson but as webbluetooth takes off, then more interactive things
# scottjenson exactly, imagine a conferece with a map and a schedule
# scottjenson or a zoo with 10 exhibits
# scottjenson We're finding out that simple micro-sites are really in need for the Physical Web
# scottjenson Ghost looks great as it's hosted so you can get started really quickly (but install on your site if you'd like)
# scottjenson the Physical Web is always on the internet (it's just URLs)
# Loqi Kirby is a filed-based CMS https://indieweb.org/Kirby
# scottjenson I'm looking for that split so people can use hosting for maker-y quick stuff but install as needed
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# scottjenson I'm not up to speed on micropub
# scottjenson is there a place to learn more?
# Loqi Micropub is an open API standard that is used to create posts on one's own domain using third-party clients https://indieweb.org/Micropub
# scottjenson Thanks Loqi,I'll check that out
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# KevinMarks_ Have a look at Hugo - being go it compiles to a small binary which may be better on iot like gadgets
# KevinMarks_ Micropub can make sense, if the server is doing templating work.
# KevinMarks_ Depends on where you want to put templates I suppose
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# petermolnar !tell scottjenson "the Physical Web is always on the internet" - is it safe to assue that those devices never lose connectivity? Why if they do? I'm genuinely interested in the idea, but I would never trust the internet to be always available, especially not in Europe.
# petermolnar https://google.github.io/physical-web/ - I think this is a OK summary
# petermolnar but
# petermolnar let's says you have a parking automat, which happens to be one of these
# petermolnar so let's say, it has a web interface, which you can access and purchase the ticket
# petermolnar what if the device loses connectivity?
# petermolnar thank you, Loqi :D
# petermolnar don't get me wrong, I see that this is a useful idea; but assuming that the internet is always there is wrong. We have UPS units and batteries for power loss situations, we should have backup plans for device connectivity loss situations, especially, if it's a physical device which someone might depend on.
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# petermolnar it relates to the type of cms and content
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# [kevinmarks] The device can send you a url without it having connectivity
# [kevinmarks] Then you need either connectivity, or previously having run the progressive web app
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[chrisaldrich] Good afternoon all
# [chrisaldrich] I remember shaners saying he was planning on a HWC in LA this week a while back, but notice it's not on the calendar now. Anyone heard anything concrete lately?
# [chrisaldrich] !tell shaners Are you back in LA soon with any plans for HWC? If not I'll try to wrangle something near downtown LA or the East side in the next few weeks.
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gRegorLove [chrisaldrich]: I seem to recall shaners saying he's not going to be back in LA this summer.
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# gRegorLove [chrisaldrich]: SF for the summer, looks like. https://twitter.com/veganstraightedge/status/748322396260663296
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@veganstraightedge HEY GUESS WHAT!? @mofo37 and I live in San Francisco now. (For the summer then *probably* back to LA, but who knows.) (twitter.com/_/status/748322396260663296)
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# gRegorLove What platform is that?
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miklb http://www.manton.org/2016/07/building-on-jekyll.html a post from last week about using Jekyll as backend for part of it
# @kevinmarks @nissyen well, it's "the silos demand previews in their own snowflake format" problem - h-event with an RSVP work https://indieweb.org/rsvp (twitter.com/_/status/752645176439427073)
# miklb oh, I missed this, he hopes to support micropub too! http://www.manton.org/2016/01/micropub-and-the-quiet-indiewebcamp-revolution.html
# gRegorLove Cool. I was about to ask if it will have mf2
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# snarfed aww, invite only http://snippets.today/register
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# KevinMarks1 a social silo built on ethereum and ipfs? http://akasha.world/
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# aaronpk oh look http://aaronpk.snippets.xyz/
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