#indieweb 2017-03-22

2017-03-22 UTC
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[cleverdevil] OK, figured it out, and I've got a plugin to my reStructuredText workflow that automatically translates any Twitter permalinks into oembeds.
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[cleverdevil] Thanks for the feedback, all ?
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tantek what is reStructuredText?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "reStructuredText" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[cleverdevil] reStructuredText is an easy-to-read, what-you-see-is-what-you-get plaintext markup syntax and parser system. It is similar to [[Markdown]], but has a more formal specification. Find more information here - http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/ref/rst/introduction.html.
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Loqi ok
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@sesh ? IndieWeb https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/844394869154041857)
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tantek what is ??
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "?" yet. Would you like to create it?
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mblaney updated my micropub client code and now I pass less tests than before :-/
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mblaney unicyclic.com only posts html, so previously passing the form encoded tests wasn't actually a fair representation of what it does.
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aaronpk It's okay, the tests are testing the spec more than the implementation . I need to figure out a way to indicate better when a client is considered "complete"
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tantek mblaney - interesting! are these optional features?
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mblaney aaronpk yeah I feel like I'm making improvements and coming more in line with the spec, even though there are less ticks :-)
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mblaney tantek my posting interface isn't optional at the moment, it's just a rich text editor that produces html.
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mblaney but I could definitely see a case for making that more flexible in the future.
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tantek mblaney - still worth submitting an implementation report that's been updated with the results from the micropub.rocks client tests!
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mblaney tantek yes I've done that (and will re-run if I make any more improvements)
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mblaney though more feedback for aaronpk: the client implementation report looks like it compiles automatically, whereas the server tests ask you to click publish. is that right?
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@EatPodcast Do you know anything as #indieweb capable as @withknown out of the box @raretrack ? (twitter.com/_/status/844463333067706368)
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@jkphl Among those events: Our HWC http://nueww.de/programm/2017/event/show/161/, the @indiewebcamp http://nueww.de/programm/2017/event/show/159/ & @adactio's workshop http://nueww.de/programm/2017/event/show/162/ (twitter.com/_/status/844549624501297152)
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aaronpk booked my flights for indiewebcamp week in germany!
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aaronpk https://aaronparecki.com/2017/05/11/1/ https://aaronparecki.com/2017/05/22/1/
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sknebel ?
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Zegnat Currently it looks like I might be able to do DUS, but NUE conflicts with uni :(
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sknebel :/
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@68MiddleSt Tonight @68MiddleSt Homebrew Website club with @adactio and lovely @BeerLeft beer from @clearleft https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/844564133479677957)
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jeremycherfas Aaronpk: Me too. Any chance you could schedule a time to talk with me and chrisaldrich about podcasting? I’m in Rome, so 8 or 9 hours ahead of you. Or we could take this to email.
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aaronpk sure! i'm relatively free today
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jeremycherfas Need more notice than that!
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aaronpk haha k. email me and we can find a time
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Loqi hahaha
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jeremycherfas Ideally we would each record locally, and I’m then happy to do the edit. I reckon we need about an hour to give about 45 minutes final podcast
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jeremycherfas What’s your email? Aaron@aaronparecki.com?
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aaronpk oh you mean to actually record a podcast! okay
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aaronpk email is at the bottom of my website
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jeremycherfas Email for preliminary discussion, then to record.
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jeremycherfas Got it! Thanks.
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aaronpk is there an icon that is normally used to indicate who a message is addressed to?
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aaronpk maybe an icon of a group of people?
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sknebel or a single "contact" icon, the head+shoulders figure?
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sknebel depending I guess if you mean something like "intended audience" or more 1:1 receiver
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aaronpk the single one doesn't feel quite right, since most of the time this will be for messages sent to a group
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tantek checks logs
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tantek !tell mblaney yes I believe the client implementation report compiles automatically, but you still have to submit it in a pull request to get it into the summary - hoping you can take care of that soon!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell mblaney better to have your current results submitted ASAP, and improvements later, than waiting for more implementation.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "App.net archive" http://www.manton.org/2017/03/app-net-archive.html (from http://boffosocko.com/2017/03/20/app-net-archive/)
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@100daysindieweb Day 92: Indicating the Audience of Posts #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/22/5/day-92-post-audience (twitter.com/_/status/844590794577133568)
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tantek what is ?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "?" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is ?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "?" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a person
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "person" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a group
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Loqi group in the context of the indieweb (also "indie group" or "indie groups") is a place where people can deliberately share content with each other, not necessarily on their own domain (though likely copied from via webmention etc.) https://indieweb.org/group
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tantek ? is /group
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Loqi ok
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tantek person is /person-tag
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Loqi ok
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GWG Passing through, any messages?
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tantek what are messages?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "messages" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek huh
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aaronpk what is inbox?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "inbox" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is a message?
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Loqi messaging refers to one user sending another user a message (memo, letter, txt, photo …) that they read sometime later; on the IndieWeb, either directly via a personal site, or from one site to another https://indieweb.org/message
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tantek lol
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@kevinmarks @100daysindieweb Audience is an interesting term. This is what I call the "public" of the post as per http://epeus.blogspot.com/2008/04/digital-publics-conversations-and.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/844594431445557248)
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Loqi [indieweb] "Audience is an interesting term. This is what I call the "public" of the post as per j.mp/publics #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-22 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/audience-is-an-interesting-term-this-is-what-i-call
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tantek audience is the more "common" (marketing etc.) term, whereas "public" is more nuanced/academic
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GWG tantek, are you in an overly tanteking mood this day?
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tantek perhaps, it happens when I'm trying to clear little things off my head to increase cognitive bandwidth for larger things
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GWG People accuse me of being in an overly literal mood somedays
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[kevinmarks] https://schema.org/Audience
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@kevinmarks @100daysindieweb Audience is an interesting term. This is what I call the “public” of the post as per http://epeus.blogspot.com/2008/04/digital-publics-conversations-and.html #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/844603722785144832)
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tantek dupe?
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tantek different twitter status ID
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tantek hmm
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[kevinmarks] I fixed the quote marks - they showed up as " in the known one.
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[kevinmarks] Though I probably didn't need to reposse it
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tantek oh interesting, was that a update and re-POSSE?
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tantek didn't realize Known supported that!
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[kevinmarks] I did the update in web known. I don't think I could do it in quill
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aaronpk quill doesn't support editing notes yet, just bookmarks and likes
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KartikPrabhu feedly now has a really weird intro line "The content you need to accelerate your research, marketing, and sales"
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jeremycherfas What is backfeed?
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Loqi Backfeed is the process of syndicating interactions on your POSSE copies back (AKA reverse syndicating) to your original posts https://indieweb.org/backfeed
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[kevinmarks] Quill sending " as " is the "is it html or not" problem I suppose
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aaronpk quill sent "?
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aaronpk it should be pretty explicit about that. you should be getting " in the note interface, and " in the HTML interface. this is differentiated in the micropub request by the content being a string (text) or an object with an HTML property (HTML)
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tantek kevinmarks there should be no such problem
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tantek it is strictly defined both in microformats parsing, mf2 JSON, and micropub what is what
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calumryan HWC London getting under way
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sgreger so is HWC Berlin :)
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tantek how is HWC Brighton?
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tantek FYI thoughts with folks in London https://www.facebook.com/safetycheck/westminster-attack-mar22-2017/
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tantek what is Safety Check?
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Loqi safety check is an aggregation feature that shows a list of the people you follow in a disaster affected geographical area that have marked themselves as safe https://indieweb.org/safety_check
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tantek what is Ask If Safe?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Ask If Safe" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek Ask If Safe is a button next to a person listed in a [[safety check]] that may have been in the area of a disaster, but has not yet marked themselves as safe.
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Loqi ok
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Zegnat Previous discussion seems to start here: https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-12-19#t1482185122481000
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Loqi [tantek] has anyone posted "safety status" type posts on their own site? https://indieweb.org/safety_status
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calumryan tantek: we’re safe :) Much police presence near the venue, it’s pretty close to the location of the attacks.
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tantek I want a feature like that for crossing borders
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@thecyberfibre @3nions Are you using the #Indieweb plugin? (twitter.com/_/status/844615065462497280)
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[kevinmarks] Hadley posted a photo from Parliament Square on foursquare.
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[kevinmarks] Re the quot thing - is known misescaping then?
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sknebel or not realizing the post is html and handling it as text?
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tantek safety check << [[Ask If Safe]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[Ask If Safe]]" to the "See Also" section of /safety_check
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tantek Ask If Safe << [[safety status]]
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Loqi ok, I added "[[safety status]]" to the "See Also" section of /Ask_If_Safe
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "This Day in Years Past" http://eddiehinkle.com/article/2017/03/this-day-in-years-past.html
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aaronpk whoa neat!
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gRegorLove What is timehop
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Loqi Timehop is a mobile app that connects to your Facebook, Twitter, Foursquare, Instagram, and/or Flickr account(s) and displays a unified on this day, photos & posts you made on the current day in previous years https://indieweb.org/Timehop
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tantek what is on this day
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Loqi on this day is a feature of several silos where they show you posts you made on the current (typically Gregorian) day of the year in previous years https://indieweb.org/on_this_day
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gRegorLove what is this day
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Loqi on this day is a feature of several silos where they show you posts you made on the current (typically Gregorian) day of the year in previous years https://indieweb.org/this_day
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tantek what is this day in years past
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tantek hah past is likely a stop preposition
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tantek eddie++ very cool
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Loqi eddie has 3 karma
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[eddie] lol the phrasing is a bit off, but I felt like “This Day” was missing clarification. I’d like to beef it up to say “This Day X Years Ago” in the future. But math in Jekyll is tricky
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tantek eddie - I think FB solved the problem somehow
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[eddie] They do “X Years Ago"
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tantek yeah we need screenshots
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@veganstraightedge I’m continually impressed by and proud of @aaronpk for his continuous iterative work on #indieweb stuff. https://aaronparecki.com/tag/100daysofindieweb (twitter.com/_/status/844622044431958016)
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[eddie] tantek: is there anyway to upload an image to the Wiki? Or do we upload them to our server and then link them on the Wiki?
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[eddie] nevermind, I see it
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tantek :)
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gRegorLove Haha, just checked Timehop. After going through several tweets from previous years, the final slide is an animation. It says "Sliders" and a vortex opens. "22 years ago: in 1995 four "Sliders" traveled through parallel universes in search of home."
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Loqi awesome
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tantek wait wat, Timehop put in a "Sliders" easter egg?!?
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tantek or is that your post?
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aaronpk ? ? https://twitter.com/paulrobertlloyd/status/844203518777081860
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@paulrobertlloyd Here’s a crazy idea: threaded tweets, but logged together, on a single webpage. A ‘weblog’, if you will. (twitter.com/_/status/844203518777081860)
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gRegorLove Not really an easter egg. When you "hop", it's a carousel of memories you can swipe through, recent to past.
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aaronpk via adactio https://adactio.com/journal/12059
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Loqi [Jeremy Keith] Writing on the web
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gRegorLove I presume they have random factoids from "long ago" they put in at the end
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gRegorLove I haven't used it very regularly though, so can't say.
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gRegorLove It's not my post though. Wasn't blogging in 1995 :)
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tantek I think the Wikipedia home page has a generic on this day feature
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tantek maybe that's worth documenting as an example
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[kevinmarks] Google photos does it too
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tantek kevinmarks - any more than the example provided on the /on_this_day page?
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@raretrack @EatPodcast @withknown Known is best for what it does, but @ChrisAldrich has suggested a multi-site approach: http://indieweb.org/multi-site_indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/844631422044385280)
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[dgold] Reading the /reading page. This is hard stuff...
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[dgold] I've mapped the stages, and it all comes back to that each stage of the process is so different to the others.
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[dgold] It's almost like a little website all of its own, With bookmarks (want to read) status updates (am reading) reviews and articles
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KartikPrabhu [dgold]: yeah, that would be a pretty complex collection post I would think
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[kevinmarks] That's pretty much still representative
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[kevinmarks] Aaronpk - is an h-card for audience so you can add Geographic scope in future?
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aaronpk wasn't planning to, just needed a vocabulary to describe an organization or group
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[kevinmarks] I ask because the schema one includes that, and that is useful for certain mind of posts
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KartikPrabhu h-group, with p-member
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[kevinmarks] Facebook fails at "tell people I know in $town that I'm doing this there"
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[kevinmarks] You have to change your home location to the target place first to get the friend list there
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aaronpk ah yeah, if i say the audience is a city or geographic area, then a reader could ignore posts outside of that
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tantek kevinmarks, schema includes all kinds of random stuff that could or could not be useful (someday maybe)
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tantek so that's hardly any justification of anything
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[kevinmarks] Agreed, which is why I added the concrete use case
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tantek kevinmarks, you shouldn't have to explicitly "tell people I know in $town"
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tantek all you should have to do is tag the location of your post, and then an intelligent reader should prioritize it to people who are at / near that location :P
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tantek no reason you should have to bear the responsibility of collecting / updating lists of people
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aaronpk that's what i was getting at
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tantek that sounds like "work"
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aaronpk if i say the audience of this post is some geographic area, then I don't need to also specify a list of people, everyone's readers can figure it out themselves
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tantek that being said, I'd like an event creation UI where you can add a dynamic invitation query (or at least filter by) "friends that will be at/near location/city X in date range Y"
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tantek I would use that for every HWC for example
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[kevinmarks] Yes. Silo examples would be next-door, Craigslist
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tantek and also use it for informal meetup/get eats/coffee/drinks events in other cities
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tantek nextdoor is different - that's more static residence based
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tantek same with craigslist
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[kevinmarks] Yes, but you get to choose the target area
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[kevinmarks] Next door has a "just your chunk, or the nearby ones" option on posts
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tantek what is Next Door?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Next Door" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is Craigslist
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Craigslist" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[kevinmarks] Facebook has a broad idea of affected area for the Westminster attack
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[kevinmarks] It's about 4 streets near Parliament, yet they include all of London
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[kevinmarks] Presumably for overseas family who have a very fuzzy idea of geography
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@calum_ryan Full house for tonight's homebrew Covent Garden, London #indieweb https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/844654665673428992/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/844654665673428992)
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aaronpk ooh now that I have checkins, maybe i can add last.fm scrobbles next
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aaronpk does anyone post stats about their email or IM conversations on their website? I thought it'd be fun to publicly post the number of emails I received or sent every day, without including any information about the emails.
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tantek aaronpk, I don't know of anyone. though I wonder if such a metric becomes a humblebrag of sorts?
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tantek (at least that's why I'd hesitate to do so)
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tantek also I would absolutely not want to gamify myself into sending more emails
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aaronpk maybe the game is sending *fewer*
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aaronpk like a golf score
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tantek sure, sent/received - then once again back to humblebragging
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tantek I'm not sure there's a positive way out of it
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tantek though interested to see if you can develop an actually productive metric for email
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tantek in general I wouldn't report on a metric unless causing myself (and maybe others) to gamify it would have positive consequences for myself and others
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martymcguire[m] HWC Baltimore is settling in for quiet writing hour. so far [eddie] and I are here.
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[kevinmarks] Stephen Wolfram posted stats on his emails
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@benwerd Do you care about an independent web? #Decentralization? Join us in SF tonight. https://www.facebook.com/events/1243140882408069/ #indieweb #opensource #media (twitter.com/_/status/844680012376637440)
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aaronpk what is domain registration
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "domain registration" yet. Would you like to create it?
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aaronpk hmm
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aaronpk what is a registrar?
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Loqi A domain name registrar is an organization that will register domain names for you typically for an annual fee https://indieweb.org/registrar
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aaronpk registrar << https://medium.com/@ramshackleglam/hackers-stole-my-website-and-i-pulled-off-a-30-000-sting-operation-to-get-it-back-143d43ee3742
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Loqi ok, I added "https://medium.com/@ramshackleglam/hackers-stole-my-website-and-i-pulled-off-a-30-000-sting-operation-to-get-it-back-143d43ee3742" to the "See Also" section of /domain_name_registrar
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gRegorLove domain registration is /registrar
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Loqi ok
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aaronpk i just had a hilarious idea for a feature on my website
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[dgold] Breaths are being bated Aaron...
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aaronpk hehe
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aaronpk trying to decide if it's something i can knock out in a day
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aaronpk and then just surprise everyone :P
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aaronpk was thinking about making a page called "nearby", where it would find the viewer's location using the browser API, then show a list of posts i've made closest to that location
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tantek just don't turn it into a big AR project ;)
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aaronpk ha
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[cleverdevil] So, after all of that tinkering I did on embedding Tweets into my site, I discovered this: https://pyembed.github.io
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[cleverdevil] I installed this, and now I can embed anything ?
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[cleverdevil] I have to say, reStructuredText is such a great platform for writing.
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GWG Evening
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sknebel what is embedding?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "embedding" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel what is embed?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "embed" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[cleverdevil] what is oembed?
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Loqi oEmbed is a 2009-era JSON-based format for providing information to construct a link-preview of a page https://indieweb.org/oEmbed
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gRegorLove What is reStructuredText?
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Loqi reStructuredText is an easy-to-read, what-you-see-is-what-you-get plaintext markup syntax and parser system https://indieweb.org/reStructuredText
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KevinMarks aaronpk - that location thing sounds like the indie pokemon Tantek and I made up in the pub one night after HWC
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aaronpk haha
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Loqi awesome
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aaronpk oh! and if I make a post that is not in any of my normal feeds, then it would only be discoverable if you're at the location
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Loqi [indieweb] "Daniel Jalkut on Apple's "Clips" and Social Networks" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-03-22 http://bitsplitting.org/2017/03/22/social-networks-are-a-feature
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[cleverdevil] (more here https://cleverdevil.io/2017/daniel-jalkut-on-apples-clips-and-social-networks)
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KevinMarks what is audience?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "audience" yet. Would you like to create it?
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KevinMarks audience is a property of a post where the value is an h-card describing the audience of the post.
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Loqi ok
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tantek just one h-card?
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KevinMarks audience << https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/22/5/day-92-post-audience
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Loqi ok, I added "https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/22/5/day-92-post-audience" to the "See Also" section of /audience
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Day 92: Indicating the Audience of Posts #100DaysOfIndieWeb
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KevinMarks audience << https://schema.org/Audience
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Loqi ok, I added "https://schema.org/Audience" to the "See Also" section of /audience