#indieweb 2017-03-22

2017-03-22 UTC
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[cleverdevil]
OK, figured it out, and I've got a plugin to my reStructuredText workflow that automatically translates any Twitter permalinks into oembeds.
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[cleverdevil]
Thanks for the feedback, all ?
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tantek
what is reStructuredText?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "reStructuredText" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10eD
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[cleverdevil]
reStructuredText is an easy-to-read, what-you-see-is-what-you-get plaintext markup syntax and parser system. It is similar to [[Markdown]], but has a more formal specification. Find more information here - http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/ref/rst/introduction.html.
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tantek
what is ??
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "?" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10eE
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mblaney
updated my micropub client code and now I pass less tests than before :-/
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mblaney
unicyclic.com only posts html, so previously passing the form encoded tests wasn't actually a fair representation of what it does.
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aaronpk
It's okay, the tests are testing the spec more than the implementation . I need to figure out a way to indicate better when a client is considered "complete"
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tantek
mblaney - interesting! are these optional features?
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mblaney
aaronpk yeah I feel like I'm making improvements and coming more in line with the spec, even though there are less ticks :-)
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mblaney
tantek my posting interface isn't optional at the moment, it's just a rich text editor that produces html.
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mblaney
but I could definitely see a case for making that more flexible in the future.
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tantek
mblaney - still worth submitting an implementation report that's been updated with the results from the micropub.rocks client tests!
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mblaney
tantek yes I've done that (and will re-run if I make any more improvements)
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mblaney
though more feedback for aaronpk: the client implementation report looks like it compiles automatically, whereas the server tests ask you to click publish. is that right?
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@EatPodcast
Do you know anything as #indieweb capable as @withknown out of the box @raretrack ?
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aaronpk
booked my flights for indiewebcamp week in germany!
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Zegnat
Currently it looks like I might be able to do DUS, but NUE conflicts with uni :(
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jeremycherfas
Aaronpk: Me too. Any chance you could schedule a time to talk with me and chrisaldrich about podcasting? I’m in Rome, so 8 or 9 hours ahead of you. Or we could take this to email.
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aaronpk
sure! i'm relatively free today
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jeremycherfas
Need more notice than that!
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aaronpk
haha k. email me and we can find a time
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Loqi
hahaha
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jeremycherfas
Ideally we would each record locally, and I’m then happy to do the edit. I reckon we need about an hour to give about 45 minutes final podcast
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jeremycherfas
What’s your email? Aaron@aaronparecki.com?
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aaronpk
oh you mean to actually record a podcast! okay
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aaronpk
email is at the bottom of my website
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jeremycherfas
Email for preliminary discussion, then to record.
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jeremycherfas
Got it! Thanks.
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aaronpk
is there an icon that is normally used to indicate who a message is addressed to?
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aaronpk
maybe an icon of a group of people?
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sknebel
or a single "contact" icon, the head+shoulders figure?
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sknebel
depending I guess if you mean something like "intended audience" or more 1:1 receiver
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aaronpk
the single one doesn't feel quite right, since most of the time this will be for messages sent to a group
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tantek
checks logs
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tantek
!tell mblaney yes I believe the client implementation report compiles automatically, but you still have to submit it in a pull request to get it into the summary - hoping you can take care of that soon!
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek
!tell mblaney better to have your current results submitted ASAP, and improvements later, than waiting for more implementation.
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Loqi
Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@100daysindieweb
Day 92: Indicating the Audience of Posts #100DaysOfIndieWeb: https://aaronparecki.com/2017/03/22/5/day-92-post-audience
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tantek
what is ?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "?" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10eF
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tantek
what is ?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "?" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10eG
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tantek
what is a person
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "person" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10eH
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tantek
what is a group
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Loqi
group in the context of the indieweb (also "indie group" or "indie groups") is a place where people can deliberately share content with each other, not necessarily on their own domain (though likely copied from via webmention etc.) https://indieweb.org/group
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GWG
Passing through, any messages?
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tantek
what are messages?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "messages" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10eJ
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aaronpk
what is inbox?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "inbox" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10eK
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tantek
what is a message?
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Loqi
messaging refers to one user sending another user a message (memo, letter, txt, photo …) that they read sometime later; on the IndieWeb, either directly via a personal site, or from one site to another https://indieweb.org/message
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@kevinmarks
@100daysindieweb Audience is an interesting term. This is what I call the "public" of the post as per http://epeus.blogspot.com/2008/04/digital-publics-conversations-and.html #indieweb
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Audience is an interesting term. This is what I call the "public" of the post as per j.mp/publics #indieweb" by Kevin Marks on 2017-03-22 http://known.kevinmarks.com/2017/audience-is-an-interesting-term-this-is-what-i-call
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tantek
audience is the more "common" (marketing etc.) term, whereas "public" is more nuanced/academic
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GWG
tantek, are you in an overly tanteking mood this day?
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tantek
perhaps, it happens when I'm trying to clear little things off my head to increase cognitive bandwidth for larger things
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GWG
People accuse me of being in an overly literal mood somedays
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@kevinmarks
@100daysindieweb Audience is an interesting term. This is what I call the “public” of the post as per http://epeus.blogspot.com/2008/04/digital-publics-conversations-and.html #indieweb
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tantek
dupe?
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tantek
different twitter status ID
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[kevinmarks]
I fixed the quote marks - they showed up as " in the known one.
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[kevinmarks]
Though I probably didn't need to reposse it
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tantek
oh interesting, was that a update and re-POSSE?
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tantek
didn't realize Known supported that!
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[kevinmarks]
I did the update in web known. I don't think I could do it in quill
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aaronpk
quill doesn't support editing notes yet, just bookmarks and likes
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KartikPrabhu
feedly now has a really weird intro line "The content you need to accelerate your research, marketing, and sales"
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jeremycherfas
What is backfeed?
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Loqi
Backfeed is the process of syndicating interactions on your POSSE copies back (AKA reverse syndicating) to your original posts https://indieweb.org/backfeed
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[kevinmarks]
Quill sending " as " is the "is it html or not" problem I suppose
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aaronpk
quill sent "?
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aaronpk
it should be pretty explicit about that. you should be getting " in the note interface, and " in the HTML interface. this is differentiated in the micropub request by the content being a string (text) or an object with an HTML property (HTML)
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tantek
kevinmarks there should be no such problem
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tantek
it is strictly defined both in microformats parsing, mf2 JSON, and micropub what is what
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calumryan
HWC London getting under way
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sgreger
so is HWC Berlin :)
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tantek
how is HWC Brighton?
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tantek
what is Safety Check?
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Loqi
safety check is an aggregation feature that shows a list of the people you follow in a disaster affected geographical area that have marked themselves as safe https://indieweb.org/safety_check
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tantek
what is Ask If Safe?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Ask If Safe" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10eL
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tantek
Ask If Safe is a button next to a person listed in a [[safety check]] that may have been in the area of a disaster, but has not yet marked themselves as safe.
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Zegnat
Previous discussion seems to start here: https://chat.indieweb.org/2016-12-19#t1482185122481000
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Loqi
[tantek] has anyone posted "safety status" type posts on their own site? https://indieweb.org/safety_status
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calumryan
tantek: we’re safe :) Much police presence near the venue, it’s pretty close to the location of the attacks.
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tantek
I want a feature like that for crossing borders
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@thecyberfibre
@3nions Are you using the #Indieweb plugin?
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[kevinmarks]
Hadley posted a photo from Parliament Square on foursquare.
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[kevinmarks]
Re the quot thing - is known misescaping then?
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sknebel
or not realizing the post is html and handling it as text?
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tantek
safety check << [[Ask If Safe]]
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Loqi
ok, I added "[[Ask If Safe]]" to the "See Also" section of /safety_check
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tantek
Ask If Safe << [[safety status]]
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Loqi
ok, I added "[[safety status]]" to the "See Also" section of /Ask_If_Safe
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aaronpk
whoa neat!
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gRegorLove
What is timehop
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Loqi
Timehop is a mobile app that connects to your Facebook, Twitter, Foursquare, Instagram, and/or Flickr account(s) and displays a unified on this day, photos & posts you made on the current day in previous years https://indieweb.org/Timehop
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tantek
what is on this day
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Loqi
on this day is a feature of several silos where they show you posts you made on the current (typically Gregorian) day of the year in previous years https://indieweb.org/on_this_day
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gRegorLove
what is this day
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Loqi
on this day is a feature of several silos where they show you posts you made on the current (typically Gregorian) day of the year in previous years https://indieweb.org/this_day
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tantek
what is this day in years past
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tantek
hah past is likely a stop preposition
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tantek
eddie++ very cool
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Loqi
eddie has 3 karma
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[eddie]
lol the phrasing is a bit off, but I felt like “This Day” was missing clarification. I’d like to beef it up to say “This Day X Years Ago” in the future. But math in Jekyll is tricky
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tantek
eddie - I think FB solved the problem somehow
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[eddie]
They do “X Years Ago"
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tantek
yeah we need screenshots
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@veganstraightedge
I’m continually impressed by and proud of @aaronpk for his continuous iterative work on #indieweb stuff. https://aaronparecki.com/tag/100daysofindieweb
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[eddie]
tantek: is there anyway to upload an image to the Wiki? Or do we upload them to our server and then link them on the Wiki?
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[eddie]
nevermind, I see it
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gRegorLove
Haha, just checked Timehop. After going through several tweets from previous years, the final slide is an animation. It says "Sliders" and a vortex opens. "22 years ago: in 1995 four "Sliders" traveled through parallel universes in search of home."
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Loqi
awesome
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tantek
wait wat, Timehop put in a "Sliders" easter egg?!?
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tantek
or is that your post?
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@paulrobertlloyd
Here’s a crazy idea: threaded tweets, but logged together, on a single webpage. A ‘weblog’, if you will.
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gRegorLove
Not really an easter egg. When you "hop", it's a carousel of memories you can swipe through, recent to past.
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Loqi
[Jeremy Keith] Writing on the web
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gRegorLove
I presume they have random factoids from "long ago" they put in at the end
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gRegorLove
I haven't used it very regularly though, so can't say.
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gRegorLove
It's not my post though. Wasn't blogging in 1995 :)
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tantek
I think the Wikipedia home page has a generic on this day feature
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tantek
maybe that's worth documenting as an example
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[kevinmarks]
Google photos does it too
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tantek
kevinmarks - any more than the example provided on the /on_this_day page?
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@raretrack
@EatPodcast @withknown Known is best for what it does, but @ChrisAldrich has suggested a multi-site approach: http://indieweb.org/multi-site_indieweb
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[dgold]
Reading the /reading page. This is hard stuff...
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[dgold]
I've mapped the stages, and it all comes back to that each stage of the process is so different to the others.
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[dgold]
It's almost like a little website all of its own, With bookmarks (want to read) status updates (am reading) reviews and articles
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KartikPrabhu
[dgold]: yeah, that would be a pretty complex collection post I would think
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[kevinmarks]
That's pretty much still representative
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[kevinmarks]
Aaronpk - is an h-card for audience so you can add Geographic scope in future?
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aaronpk
wasn't planning to, just needed a vocabulary to describe an organization or group
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[kevinmarks]
I ask because the schema one includes that, and that is useful for certain mind of posts
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KartikPrabhu
h-group, with p-member
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[kevinmarks]
Facebook fails at "tell people I know in $town that I'm doing this there"
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[kevinmarks]
You have to change your home location to the target place first to get the friend list there
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aaronpk
ah yeah, if i say the audience is a city or geographic area, then a reader could ignore posts outside of that
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tantek
kevinmarks, schema includes all kinds of random stuff that could or could not be useful (someday maybe)
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tantek
so that's hardly any justification of anything
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[kevinmarks]
Agreed, which is why I added the concrete use case
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tantek
kevinmarks, you shouldn't have to explicitly "tell people I know in $town"
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tantek
all you should have to do is tag the location of your post, and then an intelligent reader should prioritize it to people who are at / near that location :P
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tantek
no reason you should have to bear the responsibility of collecting / updating lists of people
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aaronpk
that's what i was getting at
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tantek
that sounds like "work"
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aaronpk
if i say the audience of this post is some geographic area, then I don't need to also specify a list of people, everyone's readers can figure it out themselves
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tantek
that being said, I'd like an event creation UI where you can add a dynamic invitation query (or at least filter by) "friends that will be at/near location/city X in date range Y"
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tantek
I would use that for every HWC for example
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[kevinmarks]
Yes. Silo examples would be next-door, Craigslist
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tantek
and also use it for informal meetup/get eats/coffee/drinks events in other cities
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tantek
nextdoor is different - that's more static residence based
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tantek
same with craigslist
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[kevinmarks]
Yes, but you get to choose the target area
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[kevinmarks]
Next door has a "just your chunk, or the nearby ones" option on posts
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tantek
what is Next Door?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Next Door" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10eP
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tantek
what is Craigslist
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "Craigslist" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10eQ
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[kevinmarks]
Facebook has a broad idea of affected area for the Westminster attack
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[kevinmarks]
It's about 4 streets near Parliament, yet they include all of London
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[kevinmarks]
Presumably for overseas family who have a very fuzzy idea of geography
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@calum_ryan
Full house for tonight's homebrew Covent Garden, London #indieweb https://twitter.com/calum_ryan/status/844654665673428992/photo/1
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aaronpk
ooh now that I have checkins, maybe i can add last.fm scrobbles next
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aaronpk
does anyone post stats about their email or IM conversations on their website? I thought it'd be fun to publicly post the number of emails I received or sent every day, without including any information about the emails.
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tantek
aaronpk, I don't know of anyone. though I wonder if such a metric becomes a humblebrag of sorts?
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tantek
(at least that's why I'd hesitate to do so)
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tantek
also I would absolutely not want to gamify myself into sending more emails
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aaronpk
maybe the game is sending *fewer*
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aaronpk
like a golf score
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tantek
sure, sent/received - then once again back to humblebragging
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tantek
I'm not sure there's a positive way out of it
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tantek
though interested to see if you can develop an actually productive metric for email
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tantek
in general I wouldn't report on a metric unless causing myself (and maybe others) to gamify it would have positive consequences for myself and others
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martymcguire[m]
HWC Baltimore is settling in for quiet writing hour. so far [eddie] and I are here.
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[kevinmarks]
Stephen Wolfram posted stats on his emails
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@benwerd
Do you care about an independent web? #Decentralization? Join us in SF tonight. https://www.facebook.com/events/1243140882408069/ #indieweb #opensource #media
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aaronpk
what is domain registration
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "domain registration" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10eR
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aaronpk
what is a registrar?
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Loqi
A domain name registrar is an organization that will register domain names for you typically for an annual fee https://indieweb.org/registrar
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gRegorLove
domain registration is /registrar
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aaronpk
i just had a hilarious idea for a feature on my website
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[dgold]
Breaths are being bated Aaron...
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aaronpk
trying to decide if it's something i can knock out in a day
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aaronpk
and then just surprise everyone :P
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aaronpk
was thinking about making a page called "nearby", where it would find the viewer's location using the browser API, then show a list of posts i've made closest to that location
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tantek
just don't turn it into a big AR project ;)
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[cleverdevil]
So, after all of that tinkering I did on embedding Tweets into my site, I discovered this: https://pyembed.github.io
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[cleverdevil]
I installed this, and now I can embed anything ?
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[cleverdevil]
I have to say, reStructuredText is such a great platform for writing.
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GWG
Evening
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sknebel
what is embedding?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "embedding" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10eS
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sknebel
what is embed?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "embed" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10eT
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[cleverdevil]
what is oembed?
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Loqi
oEmbed is a 2009-era JSON-based format for providing information to construct a link-preview of a page https://indieweb.org/oEmbed
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gRegorLove
What is reStructuredText?
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Loqi
reStructuredText is an easy-to-read, what-you-see-is-what-you-get plaintext markup syntax and parser system https://indieweb.org/reStructuredText
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KevinMarks
aaronpk - that location thing sounds like the indie pokemon Tantek and I made up in the pub one night after HWC
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Loqi
awesome
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aaronpk
oh! and if I make a post that is not in any of my normal feeds, then it would only be discoverable if you're at the location
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Loqi
[indieweb] "Daniel Jalkut on Apple's "Clips" and Social Networks" by Jonathan LaCour on 2017-03-22 http://bitsplitting.org/2017/03/22/social-networks-are-a-feature
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KevinMarks
what is audience?
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Loqi
It looks like we don't have a page for "audience" yet. Would you like to create it? https://indieweb.org/s/10eU
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KevinMarks
audience is a property of a post where the value is an h-card describing the audience of the post.
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tantek
just one h-card?
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Loqi
[Aaron Parecki] Day 92: Indicating the Audience of Posts #100DaysOfIndieWeb
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Loqi
ok, I added "https://schema.org/Audience" to the "See Also" section of /audience