#indieweb 2017-06-29

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[grantcodes] With 24 episodes someone should totally put in the clock from 24!
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Loqi [superfeedr] "1. #IndieWeb Summit videos: https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule#Saturday (14hrs, 24 episodes!) 2. HWC Meetup TONIGHT 17:30 @MozSF: tantek.com/2017/179/e1/homebrew-website-club (and also on Facebook: https://facebook.com/events/120457305222422)" on 2017-06-28 http://tantek.com/2017/179/t3/indieweb-summit-videos-meetup-tonight
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@t 1. #IndieWeb Summit videos: https://indieweb.org/2017/Schedule#Saturday (14hrs, 24 episodes!) 2. HWC Meetup TONIGHT 17:30 @MozSF: http://tantek.com/2017/179/t3 (twitter.com/_/status/880216060707958784)
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tantek four of us here at HWC SF!
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tantek just discovered that PDFs do not show any /link-preview in FB posts
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tantek calumryan++ great post! https://calumryan.com/blog/homebrew-website-club-london-year-1/
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Loqi [Calum Ryan] June 28, 2017 Homebrew Website Club London Year 1 For the past twelve months I’ve been organising a meetup in London for people i...
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tantek Evan Sirchuk found us accidentaly, he wanted something like indieweb so he searched to see if the name was taken - and read the first few hearders on the website was like holy s*** this is like exactly what I want to do
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tantek ... for him what was confusing was, how do I start? What service is this providing?
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tantek ... Am I supposed to upload HTML? Is this like WordPress? Alternative to Blogspot?
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tantek ... Went on the wiki and trying to figure it out and it was more conceptual stuff
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tantek ... There were some sections on things like being pluralistic - so maybe they do HTML?
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tantek ... found wiki page on migration
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tantek ... roping in different social media outlets.
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tantek ... Problem with HTML 1.0 websites that I make, no one knows about it. I update it and it's cool but no one sees it
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tantek ... I was confused about implementation
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tantek ... Found the "Get Started Now" link but didn't click on it. Don't know why.
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tantek .. Why IndieWeb goes down the rabbithole of conceptual stuff
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tantek ... eventually I got to Getting Started, and as someone who writes HTML, I got confused by this page
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tantek ... like this is more for migrating people's WordPresses, or people that use a platform, or people that use a Blogspot?
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tantek ... but what do I if I only have HTML?
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tantek ... Maybe different start butons: Are you trying to move your WordPress? Are you trying to move your HTML?
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tantek ... Where do I host? Do I keep them?
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tantek ... [the person who is already hosting me]
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tantek Tantek: like maybe with the github pages thing
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[kiai] @neilpdx I'm from New York, but right now I'm in San Francisco sitting in the Mozilla lounge. Sorry to interrupt your flow, tantek
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tantek Evan: maybe two big buttons on the home page: [ Migrate ] and [ Start From Scratch ]
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tantek ... and then from the Migrate - just a few simple options from: [ WordPress ] [ Plain HTML ] etc.
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@DreamHost @macgenie @IndieWebSummit @voiceboxpdx @cleverdevil It was very much our pleasure! We had a blast! (twitter.com/_/status/880239379582640128)
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@priya_somani_ RT macgenie: #IndieWeb Summit was incredible. I so appreciate mozilla hosting in their groovy offices. And DreamHo… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/879366147417583616 (twitter.com/_/status/880240783978311681)
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@priya_somani_ RT macgenie: Thank you DreamHost for sponsoring IndieWebSummit karaoke tonight at voiceboxpdx! I hope cleverdevil will do a duet with me. (twitter.com/_/status/880240786872446976)
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@priya_somani_ macgenie IndieWebSummit voiceboxpdx cleverdevil It was very much our pleasure! We had a blast! (twitter.com/_/status/880240789154144262)
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tantek I showed Aaronpk's keynote from IndieWeb Summit
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tantek and noted it's just 1 of 24 episodes from the summit
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tantek showed aaronpk's use of Webmention and Bridgy to show responses on a recent post
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tantek demo'd my site what I got working recently - event posts
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tantek showed aaronpk's home stream, and werd.io as a contrast
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tantek also showed stream.boffosocko.com
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tantek and withknown.com
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tantek Kiai has finished the video for her new site
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tantek careforus.us
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tantek https://www.generosity.com/community-fundraising/careforus-us-for-individual-giving-and-receiving
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tantek has completed her 501c3 application too!
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tantek Evan is now showing his website
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tantek https://chipperswitch.com/
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tantek uses flexbox
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tantek he makes audio effects for Ableton
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tantek (hey aaronpk ^^^ !!!! )
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tantek uses google forms for "Contact Me"
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aaronpk nice
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tantek aaronpk definitely read above where I logged what he was saying about the home page - he gave his first impression since he just found about indieweb TODAY!
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aaronpk yeah! super great feedback
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tantek some good insights and recommendations
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tantek he also has sirchuk.net
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tantek (his last name)
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tantek https://www.sirchuk.net/
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tantek has different sections
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tantek [loving this design aesthetic]
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tantek heh just discovering the /discuss page is confusing for new folks
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tantek somehow the new channel descriptions crowded out the instructions to join
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[evan_sirchuk] Woah it worked!
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[evan_sirchuk] Hey ya'll
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[evan_sirchuk] Web 1.0 in the house!
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tantek welcome [evan_sirchuk] !
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tantek :D
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[evan_sirchuk] Thanks!
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aaronpk welcome!
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tantek what is a static site?
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Loqi A static site is a website that is served by a web server directly from the file system https://indieweb.org/static-site
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[evan_sirchuk] Thanks aaronpk
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[evan_sirchuk] how do migrate?
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[evan_sirchuk] hehe bot is still learning!
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@indietechrocks Quill is a simple app for posting text notes to your website. #indieweb http://indietech.rocks/update/2017/06/29/quill.html (twitter.com/_/status/880254127812395008)
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tantek good evening #indieweb
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GWG tantek: Greetings
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on The beginnings of a blogroll by Richard MacManus" by Richard MacManus on 2017-06-29 http://boffosocko.com/2017/06/26/indieweb-blogroll/#comment-35039
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@ricmac My latest AltPlatform post looks at the state of feed readers in 2017. #IndieWeb http://altplatform.org/2017/06/28/the-state-of-feed-readers/ (twitter.com/_/status/880297680844406785)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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sknebel good morning Zegnat!
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Zegnat Good morning sknebel! Any new project ideas coming out of last night’s HWC?
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Jeena Zegnat, I don't need to be a organizer for the virtual one, but does someone else have the possibility to create events on their website so we can create a event where to rsvp?
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Zegnat I can, but my website doesn’t show the RSVPs, they would be going to me privately
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cweiske does webmention.io support RSVP overviews?
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cweiske maybe you could use that
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cweiske no. https://github.com/aaronpk/webmention.io/issues/64
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Loqi [aaronpk] #64 Create API to retrieve RSVPs
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Zegnat Well, I have a fully functional webmention endpoint. I just don’t show responses on my site
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cweiske same for me
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cweiske I only send an email to myself
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Zegnat Same here.
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Zegnat So if you would RSVP to my post I would simply add you to the wiki
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Zegnat Though I have to tweak my HTML a bit as I have seen people struggling with h-event-within-h-entry
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Jeena I show them under the event
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Jeena so other people can see who will attend
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Jeena when is the net virtual hwc in europe?
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Loqi what
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sknebel Zegnat: only that I want to re-investigate indieactions for login purposes. I remember someone demoing something sometime, but not sure who/what/when
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Zegnat Jeena, I hope in 2 weeks time
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sknebel we mostly talked about webmentions, and there it is not "new ideas" but "a todo list"
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sknebel oh, webmention.io doesn't do rsvps? hmmm
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Zegnat Jeena: 2017-07-12, 17:30 CEST. Unless something weird comes up.
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Jeena ok cool
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Zegnat Let me update the wiki with the info
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Zegnat This should do: https://indieweb.org/events/2017-07-12-homebrew-website-club#Virtual_European_Time
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sknebel calumryan++ for https://calumryan.com/blog/homebrew-website-club-london-year-1/
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Loqi [Calum Ryan] June 28, 2017 Homebrew Website Club London Year 1 For the past twelve months I’ve been organising a meetup in London for people i...
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petermolnar yesterday, during the VirtHWC we talked about a probably important approach, especially for gen 3 and gen 4, which we haven't yet included: number of followers. Is anyone "backfeeding" those numbers from silos to display on their site already?
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cweiske I don't backfeed, but I have extended my websub hub to deliver this data point
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petermolnar we also concluded that with a special mf2 markup and webmentions, we could let sites know we're following them and for those who don't support this extra, it will be a simple webmention to their main domain
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petermolnar cweiske how reliable is that number?
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cweiske http://phubb.cweiske.de/counter.php?topic=http://cweiske.de/tagebuch/feed/
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cweiske this accurately shows websub subscribers
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petermolnar is that number of reads or actual followers, as in people?
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petermolnar followers then, that's good
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cweiske petermolnar, it's websub
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cweiske subscriptions
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petermolnar 'follower' = 'get notification from this [feed]'
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cweiske yes
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petermolnar at least we agreed on this during the meeting
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cweiske my hub has a timeout of 7 days, so if someone unfollows me and does not cancel the subscription on the hub, it's gone after 7 days
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cweiske but it might be that hosted readers will only subscribe once
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petermolnar are you planning to show the number of followers from silos as well?
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cweiske I have no silo accounts
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cweiske so the number will be skewed
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sknebel at least with traditional feed fetches, there is some kind of convention to embed how many followers your fetch represents
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cweiske and it also does not count in non-websub subscriptions
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petermolnar imo this is something that could "sell" indieweb: when you have a page showing all followers from everywhere, that's not been done before
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sknebel not sure if current feed readers stil ldo that
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cweiske i.e. polling readers are not counted
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cweiske I don't think people would want their feed reader subscriptions listed on other pages
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cweiske I would not want that myself
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petermolnar you don't, but you're not gen4 ;)
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Zegnat “that's not been done before” - probably false petermolnar, I know atleast one Twitch content creator that lists number of Twitter followers, Twitch subscribers, and Patreon sponsors on 1 page
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cweiske and websub only has callbacks, no more info:
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petermolnar Zegnat I didn't know that
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cweiske for my main feed, I have the following subscriptions:
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cweiske http://reader.kylewm.com/_notify/68
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cweiske https://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/callback?hub=http...
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cweiske http://incoming.inoreader.com/incoming/?feed_id=65...
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cweiske https://lamatriz.org/main/push/callback/663
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cweiske https://websub.rocks/publisher/callback?token=qGIw
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cweiske and so
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Zegnat let me see if I can find them again petermolnar
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cweiske https://unicyclic.com/php/update.php?url=http://cw
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petermolnar cweiske your income also doesn't depend on number of followes, I guess, unlike many who use silos for this
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petermolnar what is Patreon?
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Loqi Patreon is a crowd-based, recurring funding site to support and pay content creators https://indieweb.org/Patreon
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sknebel (what I remembered for counts is this, which seems hacky enough that I wouldn't be surprised if it died out: https://www.hanselman.com/blog/RFCHowFeedReadersAndMacGyverReportBlogSubscribersTunneledUserAgentData.aspx (the initial way, not the proposed one)
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petermolnar is anyone of us using Patreon? I'm curious how that would fit in the indieweb way of doing things
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cweiske I don't know if gen4 people would like to see their name on the followers page of teledildonics.tld
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cweiske s/if/if all/
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petermolnar lol, fair point
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petermolnar but hey, it's the internet, you should be aware of the dangers of following sites
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petermolnar (I mean it)
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Zegnat cweiske, chances are gen4 people are doing that right now because they follow them on Twitter or another silo ;)
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Zegnat Can’t find my example of aggregated numbers. Frustrating. If I do run into it again I will document.
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cweiske my polling feed reader only transmits its IP address to teledildonics.tld, not a callback URL
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cweiske so its relatively "safe"
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cweiske with websub, pages get a callback URL that might be more revealing
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cweiske I've got a couple of subscriptions in my feed reader that I would not want to display publicly
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petermolnar you'd need to visit teledildonics.tld to see the number of followers, maybe not even a list of them
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petermolnar if it's a sensitive topic, the site shouldn't list actual followers
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petermolnar because people will unfollow soon enough
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petermolnar so I wouldn't worry about this
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cweiske sensitivity will be seen different in different parts of the world
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cweiske so my conclusion is that having a public list of subscriber domains is not a good idea
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sknebel I'm also not convinced following and "open" announcement of following have to be connected. what's wrong with follow posts for the latter? (which a reader could offer to automatically generate/update)
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petermolnar true, but why is this different from a facebook/twitter/tumblr followers?
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cweiske petermolnar, the indieweb respects your privacy more than silos
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petermolnar cweiske this should be up to the site owner to decide
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cweiske currently, that is
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petermolnar no, that is not true
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petermolnar the site owners respect privacy more
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petermolnar indieweb it's own it just tools
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cweiske silos thrive from people following more people, so they have an interest making subscriptions public
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cweiske s/making/in making/
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petermolnar indeed, and people make money out of this
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petermolnar and unless there is a reason to have a money-ish reason to have an indie site, gen4, maybe gen3, will stay out of the loop
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petermolnar hence the number of followers OR, by decicision, the list of followers displayed
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petermolnar it's up to the site
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petermolnar just like on tumblr
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cweiske I feel pretty bad by having only 12 followers
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cweiske .. but even my own feed reader does not do websub
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cweiske s/pretty/a bit/
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petermolnar that's a different question; there was a small entry, which I can't find, where was one of the main points was "forget stats, ditch stats, they lie and you shouldn't care"
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petermolnar I personally agree with that
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cweiske I know
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petermolnar especially that you can buy followers
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petermolnar or write follow bots
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petermolnar but we're not the target audience of follower numbers
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@ricmac @sovereignpath It makes sense, as e.g. @ChrisAldrich is much more qualified than me to maintain a list of IndieWeb people. (twitter.com/_/status/880340416234635264)
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@kevinmarks @muneeb @AAinslie We have some protocols for that. https://indieweb.org/specifications (twitter.com/_/status/880389894819938304)
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@razvancaliman @SaraSoueidan Owning your content is important. So is reach & distribution. I’ve been pondering this POSSE model: https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/880427611071107072)
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aaronpk neat example of self-categorization of articles
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aaronpk http://www.sarasoueidan.com/desk/
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aaronpk hm, can't find docs on that pattern on our wiki
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KartikPrabhu is that different from tags?
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aaronpk yes
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j4y_funabashi hello all, I am thinking of building a task list micropub client
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aaronpk similar mechanism as tags, but a different presentation and different expectations from users
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j4y_funabashi I think I will need to add some h-entry properties, dt-completed and dt-due
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KartikPrabhu hmmm, I'd like to know how they are different then, please document aaronpk :)
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aaronpk j4y_funabashi: awesome, i think we have some brainstorming around that
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j4y_funabashi Do I need to prefix these with anything as they are not oficial properties?
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aaronpk j4y_funabashi: do you already publish todo items on your website?
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aaronpk all micropub properties should start out as microformats vocabulary
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j4y_funabashi aaronpk: I thought there must be but I couldnt find any prior thought
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j4y_funabashi aaronpk: No, I have tasks in wunderlist but I would like to move them to my own site
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aaronpk same same
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sebsel is interested in tasks
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Zegnat I wonder if you would be better off repurposing http://microformats.org/wiki/htodo instead of making h-entry into todos.
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Loqi htodo
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aaronpk before you jump in to the micropub side, start with figuring out how to present them on your site, then add microformats to it
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aaronpk and of course before that, start by documenting existing examples
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aaronpk wunderlist being a great start
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sebsel what is task?
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Loqi A task is a note about something that you need to do, are doing or have done https://indieweb.org/task
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Zegnat I wonder if any of those fancy new todo managers accept VTODOs
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sebsel hm, this is not really a task https://eddiehinkle.com/watch/2017/04/creating-extensions-for-ios-and-os-x-part-1-finished/
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] ? Watched Creating Extensions for iOS and OS X, Part 1
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j4y_funabashi awesome, cheers I will take a look through those links and add brainstorming/screenshots to /task
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@jimpick ? I'm now a proud supporter of IndieWeb. You should support them too! https://opencollective.com/indieweb #opencollective (twitter.com/_/status/880434152839012354)
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Zegnat task << http://microformats.org/wiki/htodo
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Loqi ok, I added "http://microformats.org/wiki/htodo" to the "See Also" section of /task
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Loqi htodo
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Anchakor it's always good to look at existing RDF vocabularies/ontologies (at least for inspiration): http://lov.okfn.org/dataset/lov/terms?q=task
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[eddie] sebsel: How is it not a task? I planned to watch a video, and then I watched the video? Basically I define a task as any h-entry with my made up “task-status” property. So a note can be a task, a watch post can be a task and a listen post can be a task
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[eddie] For example This is when I want to watch a video: https://eddiehinkle.com/watch/2017/04/protocol-and-value-oriented-programming-in-uikit-apps-planning/
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Loqi [Eddie Hinkle] ? ? Looking forward to Protocol and Value Oriented Programming in UIKit Apps
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[eddie] It follows the model that a post type is not an entity in and of itself, it’s based on the properties it contains
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sebsel well, my thought when I said it was: 'this is a /watch post, so it can't be a task'
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sebsel but indeed, it can be multiple things
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sebsel I just don't want my tasks to be h-entry
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sebsel but maybe that's a sentiment I should let go of.
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[eddie] Do you not want it to be an h-entry or do you not want it to be a PUBLIC h-entry?
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[eddie] Like do you want more definition than an h-entry?
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[eddie] Or is it the generally public nature?
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sebsel I don't want them in my folder structure I use for h-entry:s ;)
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[eddie] ah!
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[eddie] That’s valid ?
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sebsel I talked to aaronpk about that when he was in Amsterdam. I would also rather not have private messages in my folder structure, because I don't want to bump the daily ID too much
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sebsel but on the other hand, that might not matter so much.
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sebsel I can see a benefit of having private messages in the same folder: you can easily see one day. I have to index them anyway if I want to present them.
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KartikPrabhu instead of just going by h-entry or not, maybe implement some sort of post-type-discovery to decide which post goes where?
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sebsel but like tantek just did: he added a h-event not to the day he created it, but to the day the event was at.
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sebsel for a task, I would like that to be on the day I completed it, but I don't know that when I add it :P
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[eddie] Yeah that’s tricky. Currently I am doing the easy way out of publishing two posts: the “planning” post and the “finished” post instead of trying to update the planning post to being complete
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[eddie] But it gets messy so I haven’t really used it for much
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[eddie] Not super sustainable. Just enough for experimentation
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Anchakor you guys sound like digging a hole in the ground with a hammer :)
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Anchakor why does everything have to be h-entry?
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[eddie] One of the big things for me is that my todos often time are linked to web-based things (not all the times), so I like h-entry because I can tag it with a video link or audio link.
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sebsel Anchakor I have that same question ;)
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snarfed it doesn't. h-card, h-event, h-recipe, h-feed, etc. http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2#v2_vocabularies
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[eddie] But if you had an hToDo with a property like “link” where I could link to the video or audio etc, that might adapt my own needs decently
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KartikPrabhu i think this is getting into /plumbing enough to take it to #dev
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Loqi microformats2
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[eddie] true, KartikPrabhu
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sl007 aaronpk et al. I was invited to journalism http://campfirefestival.org where 5000 people will meet. There is a 9 sq.m. tent whre I could create "indieweb awareness". Tell me if anybody is in the area 6th Sept., Dortmund and ideas …
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Loqi Campfire 2017 | Festival für Journalismus
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KartikPrabhu todo discussion continued https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2017-06-29#t1498748999884000
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Loqi [Zegnat] [eddie]: htodo inherited all its properties from hevent in the original mf
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petermolnar (htodo, hm. h-feed wit h-tasks would sound better for me, but this is a minor thing)
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sebsel yeah, see #dev, the name might not be the best one yet.
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sebsel http://microformats.org/wiki/process#Naming_considerations
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Loqi The microformats process
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[cleverdevil] Good morning, IndieWeb.
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BigShip Good morning!
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Loqi good morning!
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[eddie] morning, cleverdevil!
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[eddie] ? BigShip
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[eddie] So I’m thinking through Events, RSVPs and Checkins. These are all kind of interconnected. I’m thinking primarily about Checking in to an event. Using Homebrew Website Club as the example. schmarty created a Homebrew Website Club event. I RSVP’d to the Event. They have a connection.
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[eddie] Now as I began thinking about linking my Checkin to the event, my first thought was I wanted to link to my RSVP (In this way I could Webmention my own RSVP and get the two pages linked).
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[eddie] My thought was to experiment with a “u-attended” that would link to the event, except that puts me in the place where my checkin is linked to the original event (which is good) but it’s not necessarily linked back to my RSVP, which is kind of what I want
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[eddie] Although maybe I just link to the RSVP from the body of my note and send a “mention”
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[eddie] Any thoughts?
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[kevinmarks] @anchakor existing RDF vocabularies aren't necessarily a good starting point, as they tend to be over complicated. Better to look at what existing websites actually display and let you enter.
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schmarty eddie: here's a dumb idea: an "attended" post that links to the event in question as a mention and is in-reply-to the RSVP. Or perhaps mentions the RSVP linked to text like "as planned"
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schmarty Or <a href="http://yourrsvp" class="u-foretold-by">in accordance with prophecy</a>
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[anomalily] I can't even. I just got this ad on FB https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F613PGHUG/screen_shot_2017-06-29_at_11.10.30_am.png?pub_secret=0b3c06d85d&name=Screen Shot 2017-06-29 at 11.10.30 AM.png
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[anomalily] Also indiewebcat.com wants to know when the TLD of .cat is coming
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[eddie] schmarty lol i did think about the in-reply-to. as long as checkin is before reply in post discovery i think that could work
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[eddie] anomalily I can’t believe they had an add for that domain, but ive been thinking about getting a .dog domain for my sister in law
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[cleverdevil] Nothing can beat https://xn--cp8h2o.ws
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Loqi clevercooker
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[eddie] i also thought about getting a .pet domain and giving subdomains to my cats
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[eddie] cleverdevil++
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snarfed [cleverdevil]++ for https://??.ws
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snarfed https no less. i can only imagine what it was like to get an ssl cert for ??.ws
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[eddie] gotta protect the integrity of the egg cooker ?
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[cleverdevil] LetsEncrypt + certbot + punycode
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[cleverdevil] Took less than a minute ?
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snarfed letsencrypt++ for supporting punycode
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snarfed (although i guess they probably didn't have to do anything :P)
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[kevinmarks] There is a tld for .cat but you need to translate your site into Catalan or they withdraw it
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[eddie] oh wow
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[eddie] cleverdevil: Now I want a emoji powered short-domain. Thanks, thanks a lot. haha
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Loqi hehe
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[eddie] Now I just have to figure something out that isn’t complete out there
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[cleverdevil] Haha. I also have https://?.ws
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[eddie] Yeah, I saw that one too
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[eddie] And it actually makes sense
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[cleverdevil] Just a redirect tho.
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[eddie] for your domain, which is awesome
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[eddie] unfortionately there is no “eddie” emoji
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[eddie] haha
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[eddie] I know what I’m doing this evening. ?
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[eddie] scrolls slowly through the entire list of emoji
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[cleverdevil] I really wanted ?.ws
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[cleverdevil] And ??.ws
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[cleverdevil] But both are taken
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[eddie] https://?.global is available
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[eddie] ?
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[cleverdevil] Nope. Only ws supports it in practice
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[eddie] oh no!
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[eddie] interesting
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[eddie] good to know
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[cleverdevil] I think maybe .tk
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[eddie] I was wondering why they were all .ws that you were using
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snarfed so which emoji should we co-opt to represent "indie"?
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[cleverdevil] Great question
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[cleverdevil] Maybe a fedora?
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gRegorLove Noooo
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[cleverdevil] Like Indiana jones?
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[eddie] haha
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snarfed i don't see a fedora emoji sadly
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[kevinmarks] Fedora has been tainted by PUAs
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snarfed maybe ??
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snarfed thinking about indiemap. let's see... ??.ws
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[kevinmarks] ? is indie in a us context, but probably not globally
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[cleverdevil] ?
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schmarty that reminds me, i need to spend some time bringing webrings back on https://??.ws/ this weekend
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tantek wow lots of jumping the gun on formats/protocols for todo htodo etc.
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tantek like aaronpk said (but did anyone actualy listen and start documenting?) https://chat.indieweb.org/2017-06-29#t1498746084515000
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[kevinmarks] ? is indie if you are a firefly fan
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Loqi [aaronpk] before you jump in to the micropub side, start with figuring out how to present them on your site, then add microformats to it
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[eddie] tantek: Yes, it’s being documented on /task
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[eddie] Currently on there is Things 3 documentation, a screenshot of Wunderlist and a couple stubs I plan on researching later for OmniFocus, 2Do and Github Issues
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[cleverdevil] ?
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schmarty [eddie]: do you have an aggregate view of your task posts?
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[kevinmarks] ? is pretty good
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sketchess good morning / evening
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[eddie] schmarty: Nope. I’ve been having aggregation issues with Jekyll not to mention it keeps up-ing my rebuild time. So I’m trying not to do any new aggregations until I get onto Angular Universal.
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tantek snarfed: what's the point of an emoji for indieweb?
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snarfed tantek: good question. maybe none. just having fun.
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tantek also that's sounding kinda #indieweb-meta :)
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[cleverdevil] Is vanity is a point?
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schmarty [eddie]: cool. my personal todo system of late relies a lot on my being able to look through many items at a glance.
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[cleverdevil] True.
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tantek schmarty same
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[eddie] schmarty: Definitely. I’ve been experimenting with tasks on the site, but definitely not in an “all in” way until my experiments lend toward something that seems sustainable. I started in that direction of just wanting to list things I wanted to read, watch or listen to
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schmarty i am also curious how many folks are interested in publishing (some of) their TODO items in a publicly parseable way. i treat my TODOs as not-for-public-consumption most of the time.
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sketchess Who is trying the hands on imojis?
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[eddie] The one thing I have similar to that is a planning to watch page: https://eddiehinkle.com/watch/planning/
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schmarty want-to read/watch/listen make sense to me insofar as consuming media is a social activity :D
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[eddie] Yep.
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[eddie] So basically my current “task” basically came from wanting to make a note that behaved similarly to my media posts
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[eddie] But it is definitely missing a lot, hence I haven’t done much with it in the last month
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sketchess In my browser it is not working, hmmmm. (firefox)
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schmarty sorry for thinking aloud. i've been doing a lot of introspection after hearing from aaronpk and [anomalily] during IWS about their QS practices.
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[eddie] I’ll have to listen to that, I bet it’s useful in this regard
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Zegnat schmarty: unsure whether I would make my entire todo list public, but I would be very interested in storing them in parsable HTML for my own consumption
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Zegnat has added phobias to his h-card and will now refer to it whenever invited to pet cats and dogs
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tantek for indieweb related todos we have our Itches lists on our User pages
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tantek what is wikifying
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Loqi wikifying is the practice of capturing information and ideas on the wiki https://indieweb.org/wikifying
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tantek so if you're looking for a place to *publicly* document indieweb related todos, perhaps start there
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sketchess Oh that's not good, firewall went down. I have to fix that. -.-
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sketchess runs
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tantek hey sketchess, feel free to join #indieweb-chat for non-indieweb related chat :)
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KartikPrabhu or makes an "itch" page on your site like https://kartikprabhu.com/itch
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Loqi Kartik Prabhu
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KartikPrabhu yay! my karma count is greater than allowed tweet characters!
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Loqi woot
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[eddie] hahaha! That’s awesome
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Loqi [eddie]: lol
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KartikPrabhu what is itch?
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Loqi Itches, in the context of the indieweb, are individuals's personal sources of annoyances using the web or in particular their own website, that they use to itemize and prioritize what to create, design, build, and improve on their own website, often by first listing such "itches" on a section in their User: https://indieweb.org/itch
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sketchess re :)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Favorite tweet by @t" by Scott Kingery on 2017-06-29 http://techlifeweb.com/favorite-tweet-by-t/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Jeffrey, I came across your site while looking for some opensource OPML tech (thanks for the plugin by the way) and ran across this post" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-29 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2017/jeffrey-i-came-across-your-site-while-looking-for-some
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on PressForward as an IndieWeb WordPress-based RSS Feed Reader & Pocket/Instapaper Replacement by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-29 http://boffosocko.com/2016/12/31/pressforward-as-an-indieweb-wordpress-based-rss-feed-reader-pocketinstapaper-replacement/#comment-35042
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Comment on Transitioning from Pocket to PressForward by Chris Aldrich" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-06-29 http://boffosocko.com/2017/02/26/transitioning-from-pocket-to-pressforward/#comment-35043
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tantek those last two are mentions of an article that itself has indieweb in it, and it appears superfeedr is indexing the entire article that is mentioned because the comment permalink is a fragment
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tantek aaronpk, what do you think of not showing superfeedr notifications of a URL that ends in an explicit fragement # ? or at least ends with a #comment fragment?
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aaronpk considers adding a simple blacklist of #comment-xxxxx to Loqi's superfeedr hook
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tantek :)
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aaronpk done, let's see how that goes
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gRegorLove reading https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-hate-speech-censorship-internal-documents-algorithms
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gRegorLove Some disturbing slides in there
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[kevinmarks] Kelly points out that it doesn't even make sense in its own terms https://twitter.com/justkelly_ok/status/880512777781039104
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@justkelly_ok According to them, black children don't qualify, bc it's a subset based on a non-protected category of age. But "men" also indicates age. (twitter.com/_/status/880512777781039104)
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schmarty Silos gonna... make guidelines that reinforce crushing class and power dynamics
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schmarty s/dynamics/imbalances/
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