#indieweb 2017-08-18

2017-08-18 UTC
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Event" on 2017-08-17 http://tantek.com/2017/235/e1/homebrew-website-club
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-08-18.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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tantek hey the photo from the EFF meetup made it in!
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tantek we could use a few more "Posts about the IndieWeb" (only one now)
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cweiske my micropub experience today: bad. Tried to post a reply at commentpara.de with quill.p3k.io: error when posting. tried with micropublish.net: error with user auth handling. unicyclic.com: changes to the "me" parameter in the callback URL breaks commentpara.de's auth. finally I resorted to shpub which at least worked.
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[barryf] Morning cweiske. I saw your issue against Micropublish. I made a change to not rely on the `me` parameter in the callback URL based on https://github.com/aaronpk/Quill/issues/79 although I can see how that won't work for your use case
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Loqi [aaronpk] #79 Don't rely on `me` in the callback URL
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cweiske [barryf], then I wonder why it still works on quill
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petermolnar weird questions: is anyone aware of any static generator, which has it's documentation (which has a documentation) and which is translated to Chinese? There is a guy asking me how my website is done, but we have a massive language barrier.
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[barryf] Good question, cweiske. I'm going to have a read of how aaronpk changed Quill.
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cweiske oh.
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[barryf] petermolnar http://jekyllcn.com
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cweiske it's also broken with quill
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petermolnar thanks
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[barryf] Hmm. I wonder if it would be acceptable to go back to accepting a `me` parameter in the callback, but check whether it's from the original domain?
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cweiske that was the original plan IIRC
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[barryf] e.g. https://commentpara.de/user/3.htm is related to https://commentpara.de/
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Loqi Anonymous
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Loqi [superfeedr] " Liked moongold's More #WithKnown & #indieweb" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-08-18 https://raretrack.uk/2017/liked-moongolds-more-withknown-indieweb-7d10c3c82c
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Indieweb for end-users - some thoughts" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-08-18 http://raretrack.uk/2017/indieweb-for-end-users---some-thoughts
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@raretrack I've written a short blog post with my musings about the #indieweb from an end-user perspective https://raretrack.uk/2017/indieweb-for-end-users---some-thoughts (twitter.com/_/status/898526941484994561)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I've written a short blog post with my musings about the #indieweb from an end-user perspective https://raretrack.uk/2017/indieweb-for-end-users---some-thoughts" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-08-18 http://raretrack.uk/2017/ive-written-a-short-blog-post-with-my-musings-about
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@sl007 @LarsWienand a) selber schreiben b) Known CMS benutzen c) mein kommendes CMS, redaktor https://indieweb.org/Internet_Archive https://indieweb.org/site_archive (twitter.com/_/status/898532982704795650)
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@sl007 @LarsWienand https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ᵏöⁿⁿᵗᵉⁿ wir drüber reden. Wenn ihr was besseres findet, eintragen https://indieweb.org/archive.is (twitter.com/_/status/898533745304772610)
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Loqi [superfeedr] " Liked moongold's More #WithKnown & #indieweb" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-08-18 http://www.raretrack.uk/2017/liked-moongolds-more-withknown-indieweb-7d10c3c82c
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Indieweb for end-users - some thoughts" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-08-18 http://www.raretrack.uk/2017/indieweb-for-end-users---some-thoughts
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Loqi [superfeedr] "I've written a short blog post with my musings about the #indieweb from an end-user perspective https://raretrack.uk/2017/indieweb-for-end-users---some-thoughts" by Rob Fairhead on 2017-08-18 http://www.raretrack.uk/2017/ive-written-a-short-blog-post-with-my-musings-about
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jeremycherfas Hello IndieWeb
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raretrack hi jeremy
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aaronpk good morning
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Loqi good morning
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aaronpk reading logs
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aaronpk [barryf] the change is only about using the `me` in the callback URL, not about using it at all. clients should still use the `me` returned with the access token response.
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[manton] aaronpk Anything else change with Quill recently? Tested with Micro.blog this morning just to confirm there's no problems with `me`, and noticed that I'm getting the "Your endpoint did not return a Location header" error. Don't actually see a hit to my server, though.
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aaronpk [manton]: checking on that one now
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aaronpk it looks like i pushed a bugfix yesterday and forgot to deploy it ?
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aaronpk try again now
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[manton] Works again! Thanks.
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aaronpk woo! sorry bout that
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Loqi [superfeedr] " Liked moongold's More #WithKnown & #indieweb" by Michael Runcieman on 2017-08-18 http://michael.runcieman.com/2017/liked-moongolds-more-withknown-indieweb-7d10c3c82c
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[barryf] @aaaronpk That makes more sense. Thanks.
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[miklb] w00t image posting to WordPress from Quill on iOS working now!
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[miklb] aaronpk++
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Loqi aaronpk has 522 karma in this channel (1407 overall)
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aaronpk yay!
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Loqi giggles
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[miklb] Ruxton++
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Zegnat declares IRC log bankruptcy and starts afresh
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Zegnat Hi IndieWeb!
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[miklb] howdy
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aaronpk ?
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Zegnat I spend this week with my nose in the schoolbooks, last thing I want to do is battle through the logs.
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Zegnat Anything fun been happening?
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aaronpk what is new?
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Loqi Welcome to news about the IndieWeb where recent notable articles about the IndieWeb are cited and linked to keep you up to date https://indieweb.org/new
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aaronpk hm we do need more posts for indienews this week
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Zegnat I have 2 blog posts I want to finish this weekend. Neither are IndieWeb related though.
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GWG I want to accomplish something indieweb today
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Chris Aldrich is way too kind, but it is the kind of kindness I need. A couple of quick responses: I will indeed tweak the regex" by Jeremy Cherfas on 2017-08-18 http://stream.jeremycherfas.net/2017/chris-aldrich-is-way-too-kind-but-it-is-the
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Zegnat Wow, jeremycherfas, getting so much work done! Are you demoing on Wednesday?
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jeremycherfas Hib Zegnat
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jeremycherfas I can, if you like, but it is really baby steps.
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[chrisaldrich] jeremycherfas++ for his new webmention form
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Loqi jeremycherfas has 4 karma in this channel (6 overall)
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Zegnat Would still be great to hear about, jeremycherfas :)
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jeremycherfas Then I’ll be happy to tell you.
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GWG Hello, chrisaldrich
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[chrisaldrich] Good morning GWG! How goes it?
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Post Kinds Plugin for WordPress" http://boffosocko.com/2017/08/11/post-kinds-plugin-for-wordpress/
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[chrisaldrich] ^^ there's one for ya aaronpk
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aaronpk [chrisaldrich]++
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[chrisaldrich] you'd think when I write 3000+ words on indieweb and syndication related stuff I might actually syndicate it somewhere...
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[chrisaldrich] I like how it looks like Loqi is able to make his update quicker than aaronpk can post to IRC...
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[chrisaldrich] or maybe it's just because I'm reading in slack and the bridge is slower
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[chrisaldrich] So what's next GWG?
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GWG Chrisaldrich, hoping to do some indieweb stuff today. how's iwc la?
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[chrisaldrich] dragging along; I haven't been able to tag down a location/sponsor yet, but I have a feeling they're just dragging their feet.
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GWG Chrisaldrich, new Syndication Links version with minor PR contributions. Miklb's PR to merge. Post Kinds PR to review
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[chrisaldrich] The house purchase/moving is also occupying far too much of my indieweb time
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GWG Ditto on other things of late
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[chrisaldrich] I don't feel too bad because the chat has been relatively quiet for the past week. August doldrums and holidays I suspect.
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@manton2 We’re starting a Homebrew Website Club in Austin. First meeting 9/6. Still settling on a venue. https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/898574632013275136)
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[chrisaldrich] Looks like the Swarm App on Android finally got the update that iOS got last week...
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@sl007 @pintawohl @followupmag @campfire_fest Ein ganz charmanter workshop ist https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? ;) (twitter.com/_/status/898579527454121984)
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@sl007 @BBJournalismus Lasst uns auch über webstandards sprechen und die vorantreiben - wir sind hier https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? ;) (twitter.com/_/status/898579993265098754)
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aaronpk attempts to put on a designer hat
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aaronpk what should a blog post look like
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sknebel readable :P
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Zegnat Date of publication near the top, nothing as bad as reading an entire article and then figuring out it was written 5 years ago when you get to the footer
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sl007 Hi-Diddily-Ho IndieWeb !
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sl007 news : my bot's nlp detects 4.944 questions out of 5.000 correctly (question, type and intent) </glad>
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[cleverdevil] Hello, IndieWeb!
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[cleverdevil] What a week.
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sl007 Hello cleverdevil
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snarfed [cleverdevil]++ for whatever the legal/policy equivalent of #hugops is
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Loqi cleverdevil has 37 karma in this channel (50 overall)
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[cleverdevil] Haha, thanks.
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Loqi [cleverdevil]: lol
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[cleverdevil] Seriously, I'm traveling at the moment as well, but I think I've only been able to sleep for like 10 hours in four days.
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[cleverdevil] Last night, I got about 5-6 hours, so progress.
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tantek good morning #indieweb
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tantek six weeks until a potential IWC NYC 9/29-10/1
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tantek (that's the date with the most +1s / least -1s)
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tantek https://indieweb.org/Planning#NYC
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tantek [cleverdevil]: would that be of interest to you? do you find yourself in NYC at times?
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[cleverdevil] Its of interest, but I am rarely in NYC.
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sl007 only three weeks until https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? CAMPFIRE - Festival for journalism - pens,badges,postits etc. just arrived
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tantek woot!
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Loqi woot
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Zegnat Have you gotten all the hardware figured out, sl007?
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sl007 no. not yet. that is my task for next week.
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GWG [cleverdevil]: come to NY, we had fewer murders last year.
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GWG Sorry...movie quote
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[cleverdevil] Haha
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GWG Extra points if you know the movie
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[chrisaldrich] catches up on logs...
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[chrisaldrich] GWG sounds like John McClane in Die Hard?
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Crazy People
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[chrisaldrich] Did anyone document the most webmentions to a post after all the convo on 8/16?
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[cleverdevil] Oh man, of course.
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[cleverdevil] I was racking my brain to try and remember that.
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[cleverdevil] "Volvo: Boxy, But Good"
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GWG [cleverdevil]: That's the one
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GWG I should rewatch that.
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[cleverdevil] Same, its been years.
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Loqi definitely
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[chrisaldrich] My Facebook Mom post looks like it had 394 responses, the vast majority of them webmentions via Brid.gy from Twitter.
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tantek [chrisaldrich]: you may have a winner!
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tantek chrisaldrich your post is one the first page of search results for Facebook Mom
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[chrisaldrich] lol!
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[chrisaldrich] of course with the DDOS I experienced from HackerNews, I never checked to see if there were brid.gy responses I missed as a result...
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tantek [chrisaldrich]: My js;dr post has 312 responses per webmention.io, also the vast majority of them webmentions via Brid.gy from Twitter, but missing a lot, as my POSSE tweet https://twitter.com/t/status/575434935554584576 alone has over 600 responses (replies, retweets, likes)!
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@t js;dr = JavaScript required; Didn’t Read. Pages that are empty without JS: dead to history (archive-org), ... http://tantek.com/t4a41 (twitter.com/_/status/575434935554584576)
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[chrisaldrich] tantek: that probably doesn't get all the additional manual retweets; I noticed a lot of people copy/pasting tweets or writing short commentary and including the link to the post.
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[chrisaldrich] Twitter doesn't have a way to count those while brid.gy seems to pick them up well.
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tantek indeed
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[chrisaldrich] In fact, I'm surprised Twitter doesn't build in that functionality somehow, especially for businesses that have matching root URLs.
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tantek sounds like an opportunity to build a paid service
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[chrisaldrich] So Twitter can pull the rug out from underneath again?! ?
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sknebel wouldn't be surprised if that's something you can buy from companies with Firehose access
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[barryf] cweiske I've pushed a change to Micropublish to respect the token endpoint's `me` value. Can you try again?
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tantek still pondering where to document the "most webmentions to a post " per [chrisaldrich]'s query
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[aarongustafson] FWIW, I noticed a lot of missing webmentions from Twitter in Brid.gy. I ended up writing a Ruby script to collect them and add them into my site. I need to rewrite it to work with my revised Jekyll plugin now though.
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@johnjohnston Indieweb for end-users by Rob Fairhead (Raretrack's Known Site) Understand basic concepts of posting content on ... http://johnjohnston.info/blog/%f0%9f%91%8dlike-indieweb-for-end-users-by-rob-fairhead/ (twitter.com/_/status/898627966380392448)
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snarfed [aarongustafson]: huh. sorry about that! do any of https://brid.gy/about#missing apply?
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[aarongustafson] Here’s the Rake task. It works with the Twitter API: https://github.com/aarongustafson/aarongustafson.github.io/blob/source/_tasks/rake/get_twitter_webmentions.rake
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snarfed favorites in particular can be incomplete on tweets with many, since they're not in the API so i have to scrape
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[aarongustafson] In most cases, they were independent mentions of the URL
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[aarongustafson] Many predated Brid.gy
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snarfed ahhh
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[aarongustafson] Yeah, knowing the Twitter aPI, I can only imagine how painful it’s been to get Brid.gy working
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snarfed heh
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[aarongustafson] I am by no means knocking Brid.gy btw. I love the service!
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snarfed understood! no offense taken
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[aarongustafson] ?
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snarfed btw you can use bridgy to render any twitter response as mf2, even if it didn't find it originally. https://brid.gy/about#source-urls
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "IRC notifications with TikTokBot (on Debian 8)" https://www.svenknebel.de/posts/2017/8/4/
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tantek manually backfilling backfeed webmentions?
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snarfed also i assume you saw the "resend for post" form? https://brid.gy/twitter/AaronGustafson#discover-label
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aaronpk sknebel++
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Loqi sknebel has 23 karma in this channel (53 overall)
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tantek what is TikTokBot
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "TikTokBot" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel TikTokBot is https://github.com/aaronpk/TikTokBot, an [[IRC]] and [[Slack]] bot API written by {{aaronpk}}.
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Loqi ok
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Loqi [aaronpk] TikTokBot: TikTokBot is a bot framework for Slack and IRC.
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tantek TikTokBot << 2017-08-18 [https://www.svenknebel.de/posts/2017/8/4/ IRC notifications with TikTokBot (on Debian 8)]
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Loqi ok, I added "2017-08-18 [https://www.svenknebel.de/posts/2017/8/4/ IRC notifications with TikTokBot (on Debian 8)]" to the "See Also" section of /TikTokBot
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Loqi [Sven Knebel] IRC notifications with TikTokBot (on Debian 8)
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sknebel sebsel: dgold: add yourself ;)
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snarfed preliminary bridgy results are in, most webmentioned non-homepage post looks like https://adactio.com/notes/7551 with 1162 backfeed wms
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tantek has anyone else seen facebook donate pages?
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tantek e.g. URLs with facebook.com/donate
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snarfed bridgy bigquery dataset is public, at least for wms, feel free to poke around: https://bigquery.cloud.google.com/table/brid-gy:datastore.Response
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snarfed (i may or may not officially document and support)
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tantek there's (now?) a feature for FB birthdays where apparently you can pick a donation cause for your birthday and then it prompts others to donate for your birthday
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tantek it creates a "donate" post with a permalink, header image (optional presumably), summary, name of program being benefitted, large [ Donate ] button, [ Invite ][ Share ][ … More v ] buttons, time left (e.g. "Only 12 Hours Left"), goal status progress bar, $x / $y raised, "Story" (description) with date posted, donate box with "How much would you like to donate?" and buttons for [ $20 ][ $50 ][ $100 ][ $250 ][ Other ] [ Donate
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tantek ...
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tantek "Benefiting" box with picture / description of org being benefitted tag/category location, link to learn more, how they receive the money, and then "Fundraiser Updates", with comments, and special "Userxyz donated." posts with dates which link to permalinks for those responses, and at the bottom, a "More Donations" box stating private donations, e.g. "This fundraiser has another 9 private donations."
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tantek appears to be part of Facebook Fundraisers
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tantek what is Facebook Fundraisers
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Facebook Fundraisers" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek Facebook Fundraisers is https://www.facebook.com/fundraisers/ a feature of [[Facebook]] that allows you to create a donate post to raise money for yourself, a friend, or a nonprofit.
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Loqi ok
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tantek what is gofundme
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "gofundme" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek do we have any fundraisers documented on the wiki?
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tantek what is kickstarter
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "kickstarter" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek hmm
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tantek what is gittip
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Loqi Gratipay (formerly Gittip) is a payment silo that allows individuals and organizations to receive tips to their Gratipay account which is associated with a number of different silo accounts such as github, bitbucket, twitter, openstreetmap, etc https://indieweb.org/gittip
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tantek snarfed that sounds like a record
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tantek I wonder if adactio knows
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snarfed probably! assuming bridgy is a majority of all wms sent in the wild, which i belive based on indiemap and stats from wm.io, wm.herokuapp, etc
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snarfed er, probably a record
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snarfed all top webmentioned posts in bridgy over 100: https://snarfed.org/bridgy_webmentioned_posts.csv
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tantek that looks like URLs, judging from the top entry
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snarfed yes
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tantek reads adactio's most responded to posts
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tantek snarfed, interesting, that CSV has 453 for my js;dr post, yet webmention.io only received 312 total webmentions for it
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tantek that's a pretty big discrepancy, wondering how to reconcile that
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tantek wmio should have *more*, not less, since bridgy backfeed mentions are a subset (even if majority)
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tantek even stranger, I found it in there twice!
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tantek line 36 and 71
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tantek oh! slightly different URLs from when I changed the slug!
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gRegorLove Interesting. Apparently if your Instagram account is private, but you have it hooked up to post to Facebook, the individual photo URLs linked from Facebook are accessible.
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snarfed yeah there are a few possible causes. e.g. wmio is async, so it may respond 201 and later fail them internally. also at least one possible source of dupes in the bridgy query itself. definitely preliminary, as mentioned :P
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-08-18.html
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sl007 Judith from the Festival Organizers shows you the area where the ?village for https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund will be built https://www.facebook.com/campfirefestival2017/videos/304312906699380/
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sl007 [overflow] "more than 40 workshops" - need to make them aware to put good ideas in our EtherPad ...
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sl007 !tell sebsel any sticker news ? in dinslaken again.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich] hmm... looks like Loqi's lates draft of indienews didn't ick up that Post Kinds article from news.indieweb.org/en. aaronpk, is it because the original was dated last Friday perhaps?
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aaronpk Oh hmm
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aaronpk whats on indienews? It should be using that date
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[chrisaldrich] It's got a published date and a submitted date. the Published was last Friday; the submitted 6 hours ago. Not sure which one gets used to filter the newsletter.
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@sl007 @stefanwehrmeyer @correctiv_org @fragdenstaat @okfde Wie sieht es aus mit @campfire_fest ? Wir sind hier https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? (twitter.com/_/status/898658007118225412)
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@EchoChamberUncu Indieweb for end-users by Rob Fairhead (Raretrack’s Known Site)Understand basic concepts of posting content… | john https://educationechochamberuncut.wordpress.com/2017/08/18/indieweb-for-end-users-by-rob-fairhead-raretracks-known-siteunderstand-basic-concepts-of-posting-content-john/ (twitter.com/_/status/898661414813958145)
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aaronpk [chrisaldrich]: just moved the dt-published class on indienews to the submitted date since that more accurately represents it. should get picked up in the last newsletter generation
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-08-18.html
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tantek wikify << to-do
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Loqi ok, I added "[[to-do]]" to the "See Also" section of /wikifying
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-08-18.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/898669598781841408/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/898669598781841408)
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tantek !tell schmarty idea for the podcast - maybe do an explicit "Welcome!" to New Community Members (from this-week)
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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tantek !tell schmarty even just full name, domain, and 1-2 sentence self-description from their user page!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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schmarty ahoy!
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Loqi schmarty: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: idea for the podcast - maybe do an explicit "Welcome!" to New Community Members (from this-week)
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tantek and where's the other !tell Loqi?
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tantek gives Loqi a nudge
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Loqi investigates the nudge
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schmarty i like the idea! i haven't done so yet because i don't want to surprise anyone, but name, domain, and self-description sounds reasonable.
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tantek Right, and that can be good motivation for them to add a user page!
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tantek no user page, no need for announcement
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tantek we're only seeing a few people per week so that should be a manageable amount. if we get more we can figure out how to handle it :)
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tantek manton++ for https://twitter.com/manton2/status/898574632013275136
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Loqi manton has 19 karma in this channel (20 overall)
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@manton2 We’re starting a Homebrew Website Club in Austin. First meeting 9/6. Still settling on a venue. https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/898574632013275136)
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tantek also this is a really good blog post about "almost gen 2" https://raretrack.uk/2017/indieweb-for-end-users---some-thoughts
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Loqi [Rob Fairhead] Indieweb for end-users - some thoughts 3 min read I've been mulling over this post by this post by Jeremy Cherfas , my reply and then Chris Aldrich's response asking for vi...
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tantek I want to especially point out: "Whilst I'm a geek I generally feel a fish out of water by the more techical content of the IndieWeb site and the conversations in the IRC chat room"
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tantek where "IndieWeb site" links to https://indieweb.org/Posts_about_the_IndieWeb
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tantek and "IRC chat room" links to https://chat.indieweb.org/ (not dev)
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tantek a suggestion too: "Also perhaps an IRC sub-chat room for beginners"
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tantek and this is why I keep reminding folks to switch to #indieweb-dev
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tantek to really keep trying to keep the main channel as beginner friendly as possible
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tantek !tell Zegnat,sknebel take a look at https://raretrack.uk/2017/indieweb-for-end-users---some-thoughts and especially note the concern about how even the #indieweb channel seems too technical (per that long running chat we have about what is too technical or should go in -dev etc.) "Whilst I'm a geek I generally feel a fish out of water by the more techical content…" etc.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi [Rob Fairhead] Indieweb for end-users - some thoughts 3 min read I've been mulling over this post by this post by Jeremy Cherfas , my reply and then Chris Aldrich's response asking for vi...
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sknebel mh
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Loqi sknebel: tantek left you a message 1 minute ago: take a look at https://raretrack.uk/2017/indieweb-for-end-users---some-thoughts and especially note the concern about how even the #indieweb channel seems too technical (per that long running chat we have about what is too technical or should go in -dev etc.) "Whilst I'm a geek I generally feel a fish out of water by the more techical content…" etc.
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sknebel ("mh" as in "seen your message", not as a statement about the content ;))
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tantek :)
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