#indieweb 2017-08-25

2017-08-25 UTC
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@mholzschlag When it comes to what I believe is truly #open in regards to #web #webdev #openweb #indieweb the @w3c and #browsers… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/900919444943249408 (twitter.com/_/status/900919444943249408)
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Loqi Just generated the first draft of this week's newsletter! https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-08-25.html I'll generate a draft again tomorrow, so please add to it before then! https://indieweb.org/this-week#How_to
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "HWC Baltimore 2017-08-23 Wrap-Up" https://martymcgui.re/2017/08/23/201714/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Packing day 6: Jim Beam" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-08-24 http://boffosocko.com/2017/08/24/packing-day-6-jim-beam/
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb!
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tantek why does superfeedr keep showing those posts? they're not indieweb
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cweiske overly broad filter that aaronpk configured
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tantek what's overly broad about it? can you be more specific?
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cweiske superfeedr notifications in here are manually setup by aaronpk
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cweiske so you have to ask him why those superfeedr notifications wind up here
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tantek which is why I asked
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Ruxton !tell chrisaldrich your site is stuck in a redirect loop because of this - https://puu.sh/xj2xg/eda7c077e9.png
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi Ruxton: jeremycherfas left you a message 1 day, 20 hours ago: Good to see another Reaper user. I don’t use it too much for video (because at the moment I’m not soing much video) but in the past I found subtitling relatively easy. My favorite tool though remains Jubler.
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Zegnat Ruxton, he knows, but he is in the middle of moving at the moment. Talked about it at last HWC.
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Ruxton coolio
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cweiske jubler. I added the german translation in 2005 :)
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jeremycherfas Cweiske: Small world.
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sketchess Good morning Loqi, good morning Indieweb.
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raziellight Hiya
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sketchess :) What's up? :)
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sketchess Never thought it will be so tuff finding a good title. Sigh. *thought
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sketchess writing on the guide
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raziellight Looking for addons for firefox mobile
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raziellight Theres slim pickins
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raziellight Id really like to better organize my bookmarks
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raziellight Hey kartil
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raziellight Kartik
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Zegnat I was looking into the bookmarking API that is available to extensions. Was thinking about writing one that would use Micropub to post bookmarks you make directly to your own site
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raziellight The search and find really is an untapped market
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raziellight Folders arent good enough and its not getting better
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Zegnat That’s a secondary problem to me. I first need to bookmarks outside of my browser to work with them.
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raziellight I just wrote some software but now i need to mark it into a ui
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Zegnat I might just post POSSE them to Pinboard and leave search and find up to Maciej
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raziellight What do you mean
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Zegnat What is POSSE?
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Loqi POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, a content publishing model that starts with posting content on your own domain first, then syndicating out copies to 3rd party services with permashortlinks back to the original on your site https://indieweb.org/POSSE
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Zegnat I would make my browser push all bookmarks I make to my own site, so I have them no matter what browser I use. Then I can have my own site copy the bookmarks to an external place that solves searching through them for me, like Pinboard
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raziellight Hmm i see
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raziellight I have so many bookmarks i need to have a better organization format
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[kevinmarks] Pinboard's search is pretty good, especially if you tag things yourself
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raziellight What id like to know is how websites use tagging
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raziellight Like what software they use
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raziellight Tagging softwarw seems nonexistent searching places like github
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sketchess Does Loqi always regards the first paragraph of a wiki page as the difinition of the term? And is the bot case-sensitive?
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sketchess tries out second
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sketchess What is posse?
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Loqi POSSE is an abbreviation for Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, a content publishing model that starts with posting content on your own domain first, then syndicating out copies to 3rd party services with permashortlinks back to the original on your site https://indieweb.org/POSSE
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sketchess Seems not so.
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sketchess What is a talk page?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "talk page" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel sketchess: Loqi looks for the term in <dfn> tags, and then gives back the sentence around that
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[kevinmarks] How do you mean, raziellight? There are some standards for tagging: rel-tag, category in microformats, feeds etc, and the "make anything that starts with # a tag" convention
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raziellight Like what software do they use
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sketchess Never heard of it sknebel. Do one just to have to put a sentence into the tag and it works?
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sknebel sketchess: the term defined in the tags, in a sentence. just look at one of the existing pages for how its done
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sketchess checking the wiki
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raziellight Microformats are just metadata. To make it useful it needs to use some software to search and list stuff tagged
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sketchess I see, it even doesn't has to be at the beginning of a sentence. dfn = definition
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sketchess Learning to handle a wiki pretty much has changed over the last 15 years, I see. But it is nice to be able to use HTML tags. :)
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sketchess And they are doing a better job on the wiki, I noticed.
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sketchess never will become a fan of mediawiki
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sketchess sknebel: if I ever got stuck with English explanation, would you perhaps help me out using German? Sometimes it works faster.
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sknebel sketchess: natürlich ;)
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sketchess That is good to know. And I am sure, I will get stuck. xD
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sketchess What is the Indieweb?
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Loqi The IndieWeb is about owning your domain, using it as your primary identity to publish on your own site (optionally syndicate elsewhere), and owning your data https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb
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Zegnat raziellight, for tagging stuff on my site, I just have a little SQLite file with tagnames associated with file paths, and then I query that.
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sketchess Zegnat: did we discuss changing the style of wiki elements in meta-chat?
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sketchess Never mind, found it.
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GWG Morning
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Loqi *yawn*
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raziellight Interesting zegnat
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sketchess What is the indiewiki?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indiewiki" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sketchess What is the indieweb wiki
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "indieweb wiki" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sketchess What is the Indiewebwiki?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Indiewebwiki" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sketchess Wonderfull. :D
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jeremycherfas Sketchess++ for persistence
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Loqi sketchess has 5 karma in this channel (6 overall)
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sketchess Thanks jeremycherfas, it wouldn't have been necessary. ;D
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sketchess But I am really happy how it is going.
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sketchess Squeeze your thumbs that it still is preety after I pushed the save button, jeremycherfas.
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jeremycherfas I think “squeeze your thumbs” may be a German version of the English “Cross your fingers,” meaning “Hope for good luck".
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sknebel yes
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sketchess :D :D :D Cool. It's like old times.
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sketchess And thought it's phrased "fingers crossed", hahahaha. : P
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Loqi sketchess: lol
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jeremycherfas Both are acceptable under different circumstances. I would say fingers crossed if I were hoping for a good outcome, and I might tell you to cross your fingers to hope for the good thing.
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sketchess In my case first one has been the correct one.
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sketchess At least one thing that makes a good progress.
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sketchess Or not. Gosh 2 and half hour. I have to become better with the wiki. ^^
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Zegnat Sometimes that is just the time it takes, sketchess. I spent several hours on the demos page for last IWS.
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@Kraft @bph Brid.gy + Indieweb plugin + Webmention plugin + Semantic-Linkbacks + Syndication Links (last 3 installed via I… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/901077254847029248 (twitter.com/_/status/901077254847029248)
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@bph @Kraft Ah yes, I looked at Indieweb plugins & Brid.gy - Now I know what I will be testing over the weekend! :-) #indieweb (twitter.com/_/status/901079888454615040)
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@sl007 @RN_DORTMUND @olivol Ich danke Sie! Hier ist der Kaffee immer noch gratis : https://indieweb.org/2017/Dortmund ? beim http://campfirefestival.org (twitter.com/_/status/901083127375958020)
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aaronpk the superfeedr search is just for "indieweb", so i'm guessing that "indieweb" appears somewhere on that page and is triggering superfeedr
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aaronpk i can't actually load that page right now tho, it's stuck in an infinite redirect loop or something
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sknebel I think all of chrisaldrich pages have "indieweb" on them, since he has a sidebar with categories
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The sands are shifting" by Colin Walker on 2017-08-25 https://colinwalker.blog/2017/08/25/the-sands-are-shifting/
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[tantek] Does anyone use gandi dot net and know how to turn on the privacy features?
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[tantek] A friend just registered a domain two days ago with them and as of yesterday was getting spam/telemarketer phone calls from 15+ numbers.
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[tantek] That's seriously messed up
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sketchess wow
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sketchess I am happy with webgo. Pretty neat.
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[tantek] This is not a good first 24h of setting up an IndieWeb site experience
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[tantek] What is webgo?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "webgo" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sketchess The competitive of one.com if you like. But German: web.de much better than most local services I know of.
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raziellight
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sketchess I had a long run searching for a decent host.
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sknebel https://wiki.gandi.net/en/contacts/privatewhois ?
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sketchess Some have very bad genral terms and conditions of serives, privacy polices too.
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jeremycherfas Interesting tantek. I’ve had several domains with Gandi for years and have never once received a single call that I could say was connected to them.
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sketchess o.O interesting ?slogan?
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aaronpk wow yeah, i don't think i've gotten sales calls to my phone number on my domain registrations at all, and i have several with no privacy
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[tantek] We really should document that as a heads up for new folks, especially gen 2+
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aaronpk on gandi and elsewhere
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[tantek] Maybe it's a new thing. The spammers even said they got the phone # from gandi domain info
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sknebel I think I got a whois spam call once
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sknebel tons of e-mail spam (of course?)
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aaronpk whoa
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aaronpk now i kinda wanna go register a new domain on gandi and see if this happens
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[tantek] She just got another call now. Crazy
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sknebel would be interesting to know if there is a gandi-specific "leak" of WHOIS data or if it's just random data from whois
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sketchess scary
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sketchess getting brake
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aaronpk [tantek]: what's the TLD? that factors into it somewhat as well
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sknebel gandi has a WHOIS site, but it doesn't seem to do anything special for domains at gandi, just shows normal WHOIS results
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[kevinmarks] hover masks registration information by default, but it does depend on the tld - some require
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@bjo1111 @indiewebcamp ask usEqstsdsss (twitter.com/_/status/901108391107371008)
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[tantek] Wat
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aaronpk just had an interesting idea i want for my website
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aaronpk i'm going to a conference next week where I'm pre-launching my OAuth book, so I'll be introducing myself to everyone there in the context of OAuth. For the next couple days I am tweeting about OAuth stuff so that when people go look at my twitter profile it's not just a bunch of unrelated posts and photos
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aaronpk I'm limited in what I can do on twitter, but on my website i can do whatever i want
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aaronpk so i was thinking about making a "conference mode" for my site where my home page turns into a feed of selected posts just for the duration of the conference
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snarfed huh. interesting choice. it'd help if you could know, during a time period like that, how many visitors come to your site from there, vs from elsewhere
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snarfed at least roughly, ie is it 90%, or 50%, or 10%
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[cleverdevil] You could use geolocation to have that mode activated only for people attending the conference ?
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aaronpk lol
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KartikPrabhu or trigger it on a "conference check in" post
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aaronpk hm i think i am actually set up pretty well for this already, thanks to the concept of "channels". Right now my home page shows the channel named "primary" but I could pretty easily just tell it to show a different channel there. so I could add a few posts to a channel specific to this event, then show that on my home page
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aaronpk that's like... almost no code
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KartikPrabhu but snarfed brought up a valid point. if most visitors during conferences still want to see your "primary" channel it might be annoying for them or something
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aaronpk it does have its own URL but I don't link to it anywhere https://aaronparecki.com/primary
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[markmhendrickso Perhaps when your current status has related content, you could simply have a banner up top calling out that status and linking to a filter for that info. That way you don't have to do any trickery to change content for users based on time or location. The banner gives visitors an option to view a certain side of you that is relevant to your current or near future activity.
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aaronpk ooh i like the banner idea
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tantek seems tied to an event, perhaps *during* one of your event posts, you could focus on that
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tantek have your site focus on posts related to the event, perhaps with hashtags
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[cleverdevil] The banner seems like a good approach, certainly less invasive, and requires no trickery.
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aaronpk true, I do always have an event post when I want this feature
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[cleverdevil] I've often thought about building what I call "perspectives" into my site.
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aaronpk [cleverdevil]: that's kind of my "channel" idea
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[cleverdevil] Essentially determining what "perspective" visitors are interested in seeing.
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tantek if your event post has a bunch of hashtags, then you could auto-filter in just those hashtags during the event
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[cleverdevil] nods
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, content can be in a bunch of different channels/perspectives.
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aaronpk the original version of channels was intended for exactly that purpose
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[cleverdevil] But, tantek is right that its not too dissimilar from tagging
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tantek and the banner could say "Now attending: (event post name / permalink)"
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aaronpk https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6165/6220126947_4e66b34b58_b.jpg
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[cleverdevil] I like that idea.
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tantek an actual useful presentation of "now" information on your homepage, as opposed to relegated to a duplicate page that is out of date in 6 months ;)
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aaronpk looking at this event post, there are 4 hashtags on it already. I wonder what collection of posts appears if I query those tags
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tantek aaronpk wat - what am I looking at there?!? 2007-11-05 post?
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aaronpk tantek: yeah! a twitter clone I made in 2007!
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tantek !!!
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aaronpk more screenshots: https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/albums/72157633041808362
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[cleverdevil] ?
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aaronpk "You could choose to get updates via SMS, AIM, or "Follow Me" mode which sent it via AIM if you were online, or fell back to SMS."
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Zegnat Hmm, so if I want to make sure my reader doesn’t fall over I should probably subscribe to https://aaronparecki.com/primary . That way, even if your homepage switches over, my subscription will not
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aaronpk Zegnat: well you'd just get a different list of posts if you keep following my home page
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aaronpk most of which would actually be on my home page anyway. this is more about temporarily removing things from my home page that are not relevant to the event
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Zegnat I understand, but that does seem to imply that your homepage URL is not the canonical URL for the “primary channel feed”. If that makes sense.
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Zegnat Wondering if that has any other implications. Also wondering if other people feel the same: is your homepage the actual canonical link for the feed you are displaying, or are homepages more flexible than that?
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KartikPrabhu what is homepage?
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Loqi Your homepage represents you on the web, typically at the top of your domain, and shows your name and an iconic representation, often marked up with h-card https://indieweb.org/homepage
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aaronpk IIRC having a feed on a home page isn't actually that common here
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Zegnat Apparently /homepage calls it a “stream” and not feed.
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aaronpk yeah probly cause "feed" tends to usually refer more to the plumbing of it
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Zegnat Most people with WordPress or Known as their homepage will have a stream on their homepage, so not sure if we can still claim it isn’t common
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tantek Zegnat the dfn is pretty on - by following someone's homepage you are following *them* however and whatever they mean by that
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tantek so if they mean events they are currently at and focus accordingly that's them
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tantek etc.
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tantek there's no "switching over" - you followed them, you're getting them, regardless of what they happen to be up to or what they are focusing on
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tantek Twitter << [https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/albums/72157633041808362 2007-era prototype personal Twitter clone by {{aaronpk}}]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/albums/72157633041808362 2007-era prototype personal Twitter clone by {{aaronpk}}]" to the "See Also" section of /Twitter
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aaronpk (i had a few others users of it too!)
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tantek right - you had more than just one Twitter profile :)
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Zegnat True tantek. But I may be following the h-feed on tantek.com, and I wouldn’t expect that to suddenly change to a feed with only events and have the feed I originally wanted to read continue on tantek/posts. In that case I would love some sort of pointer towards the new location of that same feed.
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aaronpk Zegnat: but this isn't a post type distinction, it's just a temporary redefining of my primary identity
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Zegnat aaronpk, yes, but it also changes the content you are feeding to readers. And unless you make a separate post about that fact, people using readers have no clue.
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tantek "the feed you originally wanted" *is* "whatever Tantek posts on his page, whatever that may be, even if he just posts events"
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Zegnat Imagine your mom is following along and doesn’t want to miss your photos. Now you continue posting photos, but the feed that contains the photos (primary) is on a different URL now. And the reader your mom uses will never inform her that you continued posting at a different location.
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aaronpk Zegnat: my point is that i would continue to post photos on my home page because during the event i will be taking photos and posting them
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tantek "doesn't want to miss photos" was never guaranteed or an expectation that was set from my home page
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aaronpk and in reality there wouldn't be many other photos i post unrelated to the event anyway
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tantek Zegnat - I think you're reading in some sort of expectation that cannot be reasonably made by someone other than the publisher themselves
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tantek when you follow someone's home page you are just saying you want to follow them and their choices, whatever that may be
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tantek nothing about events (or not), or photos (or not) etc. just them, their primary identity, which is not up to you to decide or make assumptions about
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aaronpk also think about it this way. during the conference, I am most likely not going to be generating any content that is unrelated to the conference. my "primary" feed will be all conference stuff anyway.
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Zegnat Readers will set expectations after being subscribed to a page for years though
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tantek Zegnat, sure, like sports fans make expectations of athletes about what color they will wear etc., but they are imagined, not real
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Zegnat I am not too worried about this specific change over aaronpk. Just wondering about what this means for feeds in general.
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tantek it means "feeds in general" is a horrible dehumanizing abstraction
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aaronpk tbh it's more about what previous content people see vs what new content is pushed out on my feed
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tantek in contrast to say, following people in general
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tantek the person is important, not the feed
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KartikPrabhu i would expect a homepage feed to be "whatever the person chooses to post on homepage"
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Zegnat I have an expectation of feeds though tantek. If I subscribe to aaronpk’s photo feed, I would expect his photos. Not for him to then change the content of the feed to screenshots and continue posting photos at a new URL.
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Zegnat Homepage feed may be less well defined, but it has set equal expectations throughout the years.
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Zegnat Sorry for keeping you as example, aaronpk!
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aaronpk that's a pretty contrived examples
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tantek even home pages themselves are such different designs, especially over time, that I think there are even less expectations now than in the past
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tantek nevermind what is in the feed there, even if there is a feed at all
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Zegnat Definitely is contrived, yes, haha
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KartikPrabhu yup ^
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Loqi hehe
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sknebel makes notes about feed naming
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Zegnat Oh well, dinner is ready, I’ll reconsider this and try to write down why it felt weird to me in the first place
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sknebel (Do existing indie readers look for alternate h-feeds, and offer a choice like RSS/atom readers do when multiple feeds are linked?)
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aaronpk sknebel: woodwind does when you first enter a URL to subscribe to
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aaronpk side note: anomalily agrees I should change my home page next week
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aaronpk I like this idea of tying it to events (way less manual work) so I'm gonna give that a shot
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tantek "way less manual work" is exactly the motivation. also been brainstorming on similar things with all the event / RSVP posting work I've been putting into my site :)
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[kevinmarks] This fits with your pinned post per tag thing nicely
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[kevinmarks] And I suppose with my hashtag prefixing for noterlive posts
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@chrbutler I love how this is put: "Getting this right is IndieWeb 101." http://www.manton.org/2017/08/medium-stumbling-forward.html (twitter.com/_/status/901138354921758720)
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tantek Medium << 2017-08-25 {{manton}}: [http://www.manton.org/2017/08/medium-stumbling-forward.html Medium stumbling forward]
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Loqi ok, I added "2017-08-25 {{manton}}: [http://www.manton.org/2017/08/medium-stumbling-forward.html Medium stumbling forward]" to the "See Also" section of /Medium
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[chrisaldrich] Good morning indieweb
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Loqi [chrisaldrich]: Ruxton left you a message 11 hours, 13 minutes ago: your site is stuck in a redirect loop because of this - https://puu.sh/xj2xg/eda7c077e9.png
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[chrisaldrich] I know it's been a quiet week, but has anyone implemented a post type with p-clap-of ? yet? ?
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tantek that's just a reacji ;)
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sketchess What is p-clap-of?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "p-clap-of" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[chrisaldrich] I supposed we'd already peaked with /chicken, so what good is a /clap ...
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sketchess o.O?
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[chrisaldrich] sketchess, I was being a bit sarcastic about Medium's new clap functionality and was suggesting p-clap-of as a new (and ludicrously unnecessary) microformat.
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sketchess Aha.
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sketchess Sometimes I am happy not to understand. ;)
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[chrisaldrich] sketchess, it was nice to meet you in the vHWC the other day. I'm glad to have a voice to go with your IRC nickname now.
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sketchess Personally I think I sound like a duck. *lol* And it was nice to meet you too.
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[chrisaldrich] I had coincidentally been reading Manton's post (just above^^) before hopping in here. It reminds me of Path's pivot to stickers before they became generally irrelevant.
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sketchess Last vHWC just was to fast over. From one to another second all of you were gone. Thihihi.
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[chrisaldrich] I'm still trying to decompress some of the conversation that happened.
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sketchess It is becoming easier to speak.^^
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sketchess What do you mean by decompress?
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[chrisaldrich] Unpack, digest, and turn it into something useful.
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sketchess I must have tomatoes onto my eyes, I do not see a post.
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[chrisaldrich] http://www.manton.org/2017/08/medium-stumbling-forward.html
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sketchess Ah there it is.
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sketchess You were one second faster. xD
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tantek [chrisaldrich] is this "clap" thing new? a replacement for likes? e.g. like Strava's "kudos"?
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sketchess Hmm. Looks.... interesting. ^^
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[chrisaldrich] !tell ruxton Thanks for the detective work. I've got the code targeted on the back end and just need to do some thinking about what I'd prefer to happen so it doesn't interfere with other moving pieces.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich] tantek: or a replacement for their prior "recommend" from what I've seen
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tantek [chrisaldrich]: maybe document in /like#Silo_Examples ? perhaps as an alias for "like" ?
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[manton] chrisaldrich Yeah, hard to tell with these Medium pivots if they are heading somewhere important or just trying things.
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sketchess does not like it
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sketchess Too messy.
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[chrisaldrich] I much prefer manton's suggestion that they open up a tad. I thought they'd try to build out to compete with WordPress VIP
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[chrisaldrich] I'd rather see them pivot to webmentions!
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[manton] This Medium blog post explains the claps. Number of claps is going to be part of calculating how much to pay authors. (I wonder how they prevent author's from clicking it 1000 times.) https://blog.medium.com/show-authors-more-%EF%B8%8F-with-s-c1652279ba01
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tantek that's interesting enough to document
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tantek what is a clap?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "clap" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek [chrisaldrich], [manton] go for it
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[manton] Sure, I'll add some notes for it.
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[chrisaldrich] I'll wait a beat for manton's edits so we don't conflict....
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[chrisaldrich] Though I wonder how many different ways we need to implement versions of likes, favorites, stars, hearts, etc.
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sketchess Sweet dreams and a good morning Indieweb. Baba
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[chrisaldrich] Pretty soon it'll be the only differentiator on a platform: what do they call the thing you use to "like" something.
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tantek [chrisaldrich] hence I suggested documented it as an alias on /like
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[chrisaldrich] tantek: I completely got your meaning and will add the cross link..
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[manton] chrisaldrich Saved. Feel free to edit... I'm still getting used to the wiki.
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[chrisaldrich] Thought it's false dichotomy in some respects, this type of "like" behaviour in social media is apparently similar to the number of ways Eskimos have to say "snow".
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[chrisaldrich] manton++
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aaronpk the main difference between claps and likes is a person can give a post more than one clap
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tantek on the indieweb you can like a post as many times as you want :)
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[chrisaldrich] How long until there are bot clapping farms?
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[colinwalker] Evening all
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[colinwalker] chrisaldrich I like what you did with your comment ? ?
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[chrisaldrich] hello colinwalker!
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[chrisaldrich] I thought you'd appreciate it...
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[colinwalker] manton with what I understand about claps their is going to be a ratio metric to stop gaming.
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[colinwalker] *there
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[chrisaldrich] To me, getting interesting, thoughtful and cogent replies on posts is far more valuable thank likes, favorites, or other clap-trap.
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aaronpk [chrisaldrich]: https://twitter.com/_tessr/status/837066735937191938
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@_tessr 1. If u hold down the clap at the end of a Medium series it increments indefinitely 2. Bananas are capacitive https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/C53bv_OU8AAgJpO.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/837066735937191938)
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[colinwalker] Absolutely.
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tantek !tell [grantcodes] reminder! Can you upload the HWC SF photo from Wednesday to the wiki so we can get it included in today's newsletter? Thanks!
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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gRegorLove similar prior art, Xanga used to give 0, 1, or 2 "e-props" to a post
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[chrisaldrich] Oh dear, is it Friday already!
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tantek is tempted to try using https://where.is.grant.codes/ to track down Grant
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Loqi Grant Richmond
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gRegorLove Oh yeah, newsletter day!
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tantek aaronpk did you see ^^^
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aaronpk yeah! it's so good
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[manton] colinwalker Makes sense. I'm sure they've thought of this, but it does seem less precise than traditional likes.
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[chrisaldrich] checks to see if www.bananasarecapacitive.com is available
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[chrisaldrich] And all this just after Netflix, the company that has probably done more research on ranking than any other, has gone from a multi-star intent to a thumbs up/thumbs down in the past month.
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gRegorLove Netflix doing that still annoys me
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gRegorLove ownyourratings++
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snarfed ended up similar to netflix in minimizing friction down to just three ratings (*almost* always), e.g. https://snarfed.org/books#read
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Loqi [Ryan Barrett] books
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Zegnat [chrisaldrich], to be fair, YouTube beat Netflix to that change by many a month
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Zegnat I think that was a … 2010 design on YouTube? That got rid of 5 starts in favour of thumbs up/down?
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[chrisaldrich] Zegnat, yes you're right about YouTube... most of the measurements they're really trying to make are signal to noise ratios as well as creating some semblance of dynamic range.
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[chrisaldrich] A simple thumbs up creates almost no dynamic range compared to thumbs up/nothing/thumbs-down
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[chrisaldrich] Major platforms drive enough traffic that the SNR all comes out in the wash.
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[chrisaldrich] Which may mean that in the long-run the indieweb is missing the un-like or thumbs-down intent.
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Zegnat Oh, yeah, I was commenting mostly on the Netflix research. Nothing else.
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Zegnat You could always send a ? reacji
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tantek apparently even after getting gandi net to make her registration info private, the original whois info is still published on register dot com
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Zegnat I did like reading.am’s reading followed by “yep” or “nope”. Do you use those two reactions, [chrisaldrich]?
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tantek what is reading.am?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "reading.am" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[chrisaldrich] Reading.am is a [[silo]] with bookmark functionality for [[read]] posts, primarily geared toward indicating "what you are reading right now." It also supports [[listen|listening]] posts as well for .mp3 files.
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Loqi ok
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[chrisaldrich] zegnat, yes I do often use the yep/nope, though it's a pretty high bar for me to click the "nope" button.
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tantek or low presumably ;)
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Zegnat My biggest problem with hitting nope on services like that is that I do not gain anything from it. Since they aren’t trying to find new stuff for me to read based on my history.
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Zegnat I find that Netflix actually has gotten better at recommendations now that I have started rating stuff.
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tantek is there an API you can use to POSSE the yep/nope from your own site to them?
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Zegnat Yes
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Zegnat Or … maybe not
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Zegnat PESOS is easy
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Zegnat rechecks
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Zegnat Nope, no API. Unless possibly by reverse engineering the browser extension yourself. But nothing documented.
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Zegnat For PESOS you can set multiple different hooks, including webhooks that will make a POST request to your website for whatever action you do on reading.am
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[chrisaldrich] I've used IFTTT for PESOS with reading.am and suggested that their RSS feed include "comments" which they've got a field for as well
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[chrisaldrich] The developer seems to be relatively indieweb friendly
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[chrisaldrich] I documented a bit of it a while ago, though it has morphed some and probably needs a bit of an update: http://boffosocko.com/2016/11/20/owning-my-online-reading-status-updates/
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich] Owning my Online Reading Status Updates http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/d5fb4e498fe609cc29b04e5b7ad688c4?s=42&d=mm&r=pg
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Zegnat You could easily create “reading” items from your own site by sending an email to a special email address they give you. But you can’t do yep/nope through it
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[chrisaldrich] Their hooks section lets you specify interactions via POST for yep/nope via a URL in the dropdown. Would have to play with it to see what it allows. https://www.reading.am/settings/hooks
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Zegnat Yeah, that works, for PESOS. I mean for POSSE, and there is no real support for that
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[chrisaldrich] Yes, definitely no POSSE support that I've seen.
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Zegnat You can POSSE “read”, by having your website email to the address that you get on https://www.reading.am/settings/extras
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Zegnat But yeah, it is definitely an interesting implementation for read posts! :D
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Loqi Just generated this week's newsletter! You still have a few minutes to make changes, and I'll re-generate it 10 minutes before it gets sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-08-25.html
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[chrisaldrich] was that photo in there ^^ meant to be upside down? ?
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aaronpk is it still upside down?!
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aaronpk it's not, hard-refresh
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[chrisaldrich] Oh, good!
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[chrisaldrich] I know some people go out of their way for entertaining HWC photos, but upsidedown seemed quirky
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tantek [chrisaldrich]: indeed. perhaps when we see one from New Zealand?
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tantek uh oh still no SF photo. time to upload a placeholder
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tantek [chrisaldrich]++ for adding the intro articles / videos to getting started
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tantek edits some of the prose down, sees about simplifying
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Loqi Generated the final version of the newsletter! This will be sent out at 3pm Pacific time. https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-08-25.html
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[asteres] What is IFTTT?
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Loqi IFTTT (IF This Then That) is a service for connecting apps and services with automation https://indieweb.org/IFTTT
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@indiewebcamp This week in the #indieweb https://indieweb.org/this-week/2017-08-25.html https://twitter.com/indiewebcamp/status/901206323517206528/photo/1 (twitter.com/_/status/901206323517206528)
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tantek looks like FB has header videos now, e.g. for events: https://www.facebook.com/events/1645987752139928
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tantek good thing "u-featured" is not specific to photos!
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tantek I did a bunch of copy-editing / simplifying and attempted re-integration of new content on the /Getting_Started page - would appreciate a review!
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[cleverdevil] Welcome, nbassett!
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[cleverdevil] (A fellow DreamHoster!)
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[nbassett] Hey! ?
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tantek welcome!
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tantek [cleverdevil]: I have some more presentational edits to make to https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started but would appreciate any/all feedback on the text copy!
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[cleverdevil] Oh, awesome, I'll take a look.
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[cleverdevil] We had our first DreamHost Website Club a few weeks ago. The second one was supposed to be yesterday, but we had quite the eventful day ?
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[cleverdevil] So, it'll likely be next week now.
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tantek wow! great!
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[kevinmarks] If I'm reading the claps thing correctly what you're doing is deciding the split of your monthly subscription between articles
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[chrisaldrich] tantek++ for the reworking of /Getting_Started; much nicer flow/logic to the page after your reworking and based on having read it earlier this week.
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