#indieweb 2017-11-20

2017-11-20 UTC
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Reply to Wat is POSSE en PESOS op het IndieWeb? by Frank Meeuwsen" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-11-20 http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/19/reply-to-wat-is-posse-en-pesos-op-het-indieweb-by-frank-meeuwsen/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Wat is POSSE en PESOS op het IndieWeb?" by Chris Aldrich on 2017-11-20 http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/19/wat-is-posse-en-pesos-op-het-indieweb/
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Loqi [indienews/nl] New post: http://diggingthedigital.com/POSSE-en-PESOS/ (from http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/19/wat-is-posse-en-pesos-op-het-indieweb/)
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[miklb] chrisaldrich my bookmark is public https://miklb.com/2017/11/christian-heilmann-web-truths-the-web-is-better-than-any-other-platform-as-it-is-backwards-compatible-and-fault-tolerant/
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Loqi [Michael Bishop] Christian Heilmann Web Truths: The web is better than any other platform as it is backwards compatible and fault tolerant
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@ChrisAldrich @frankmeeuwsen As if to show another side to POSSE (and value), I syndicated this manually via @Disqus which marked it as spam, so hooray for POSSE via Twitter and their notifications! http://boffosocko.com/2017/11/19/reply-to-wat-is-posse-en-pesos-op-het-indieweb-by-frank-meeuwsen/ (twitter.com/_/status/932446497924308992)
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[manton] I was experimenting with putting an RSVP on a WordPress page, but https://2017.indieweb.org/webmention.php is rejecting it because it can't find the in-reply-to. Anyone notice any obvious problems with the HTML here? https://manton.org/rsvp-indiewebcamp-2017
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[chrisaldrich] It looks like it should work to me on a cursory glance.
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GWG [manton]: Hello
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[chrisaldrich] I see an h-feed nested in the page. Could that be throwing it off?
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: It depends on the parsing code.
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[chrisaldrich] https://pin13.net/mf2/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmanton.org%2Frsvp-indiewebcamp-2017
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GWG I know I always account for the errant legacy hfeed on WordPress sites
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[manton] Thanks, I was wondering that too. WordPress is adding that old-style hfeed... I checked it with other tools and it seems okay, but maybe this Webmention endpoint is a little pickier.
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[chrisaldrich] I suspect most probably would too for the wordpress cases.
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GWG [manton]: It isn't adding it. Your theme is. WordPress only adds the hentry.
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GWG At least I got _s to make it added by filter.
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GWG [manton]: Happy to help. We have a WordPress room set up for troubleshooting if you want.
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[manton] Okay, makes sense that it would be the theme. Thanks. It's an old theme (2012) that I've only tweaked a little.
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GWG [manton]: It's in a lot of themes. I've raised a lot of issues on it.
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GWG It is usually when people copied something from other themes.
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GWG hfeed/h-feed is meant to represent usually a page with a feed of h-entry/hentrys. But people kept putting it on every page
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[chrisaldrich] A cheap trick I use occasionally when I run across things like this is to switch to a theme like Sempress, send the the webmention, and then switch back. ?
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Good move.
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GWG I have to do some more tweaking on my 2016 fork, I think.
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[chrisaldrich] Though, naturally it's nice to fix the proximal cause of the issue.
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[miklb] bwahhaa
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[miklb] chrisaldrich++
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Loqi chrisaldrich has 46 karma in this channel (62 overall)
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GWG [manton]: If I get to Austin, I'll help you fix it, if you want.
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GWG Actually, even if I don't.
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[chrisaldrich] I started a 2012 Indieweb fork last year, but never finished it. I don't think I fixed that h-feed issue in my fork though.
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GWG At least I did accomplish that in a few places.
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GWG Where _s goes, so do future themes.
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[chrisaldrich] It would be nice if the host of IWC-camp could rsvp to it though...
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: Yes. But, as [manton] himself commented, it is interesting he is hosting an IWC and has never been to one. So, everything is a learning experience.
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GWG I've been studying microcasts.
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[manton] Confirmed it was the hfeed! I just removed it for now and the RSVP was accepted.
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[chrisaldrich] manton++
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Loqi manton has 28 karma in this channel (29 overall)
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[chrisaldrich] I really want a microcast, but am having problems with actually just doing it....
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[chrisaldrich] oh, miklb, I was looking at your news.indieweb issue. Perhaps try using the URL: "https://news.indieweb.org/en/miklb.com/2017/11/christian-heilmann-web-truths-the-web-is-better-than-any-other-platform-as-it-is-backwards-compatible-and-fault-tolerant/" as your u-syndication and see if that works. I don't think I've had luck with WordPress and the raw news.indieweb url, but the longer version has always worked.
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GWG [chrisaldrich]: That was why I was listening to other ones. To see if it was worth it
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GWG And what I would talk about
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GWG I'd really prefer a two person microcast.
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[manton] I think a microcast with 2 people could work. The main benefit to a very short podcast is just making it easier to produce. (Tools should still be a lot better, too.)
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GWG I just like the idea of talking about what's on my mind and posting it.
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[manton] Definitely.
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[chrisaldrich] I've even got a livescribe pen that puts out MP3 that seems like it was made to do on-the-cheap microcasts
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[chrisaldrich] GWG did you hear aaronpks microcast on microcasts recently? It had some smart ideas for automating.
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GWG I think I did
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[chrisaldrich] I remember that Seesmic started out in microcasts but in a twitter like fashion.
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bear Seesmic originally was vlog's kinda before vlogs became a thing (I think) - you recorded short videos and anyone subscribed to you got an update, they could reply if they wanted
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bear then they hired someone who had written a desktop client that also did twitter, then flipped to having twitter as the main product and then got bought and merged
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bear somewhere on my older laptop I still have all of the Seesmic video source code (all gnarly java monolith code)
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bear relurkes
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[miklb] chrisaldrich that didn’t seem to work, and when I tried to manually submitted the post https://news.indieweb.org/en/submit I get an error `Could not find a syndication or category link for this entry to news.indieweb.org`
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[miklb] guess I need to look at my markup on that page
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[chrisaldrich] miklb, it's beyond me then. Perhaps aaronpk has a thought about why news.indieweb.org isn't picking it up. I know it's always a bit finicky for me from WordPress. (I think I originally tried to do it 10 different ways before I got it working.)
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[miklb] I did notice that nothing has been added in a week, not sure if that is coincidence or something is wrong
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[chrisaldrich] bear Yes, that sounds about right to me, though I think vlogging was thing before Seesmic started up. Most of the videos were relatively short, so it sort of felt like microcasting (with video). I'm pretty sure that Hootsuite now owns all of their own assets.
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bear yes, hootsuite - I couldn't remember the name
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bear the videos were short only by user choice, we (I used to work for Seesmic) didn't limit the length in any significant way if I recall
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[chrisaldrich] miklb I think it's working generally. (I added a bookmark to the https://news.indieweb.org/nl page earlier today.) The page can be generally quiet with only 1-3 posts per week in English.
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[chrisaldrich] bear I don't recall a limit either, but do remember them all being very short. It was a beautiful product, but I think it was way ahead of its time.
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bear agree - it was a few years ahead IMO. It also suffered from some management issues that I won't go into in a logged channel
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[chrisaldrich] I don
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[chrisaldrich] 't think I've seen anyone doing any indieweb-ish vlogging...
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[chrisaldrich] What is vlogging?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "vlogging" yet. Would you like to create it?
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[chrisaldrich] What is a vlog?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "vlog" yet. Would you like to create it?
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@frankmeeuwsen Thank you Chris for this very very thoughtful response to my Indieweb questions/reservations and the invitation to participate and experiment. Much appreciated. https://twitter.com/chrisaldrich/status/932446497924308992 (twitter.com/_/status/932494035524243456)
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[jeremycherfas] @Dgold yes, I thought it might have been that.
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@mrkrndvs Doing it the Hard Way - a reflection on the #indieweb https://ascraeus.org/doing-it-the-hard-way/ (twitter.com/_/status/932534256349384704)
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petermolnar Loqi, give me a summary of last week, please
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petermolnar nah, still a missing feature
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curve25519 on https://indieweb.org/Special:Preferences what if gender wasn't a dropdown but a text entry field?
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petermolnar someone would need to code it as a mediawiki plugin
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petermolnar if it's important to you, and you write the changes, there should be no problem deploying it later
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curve25519 Are micro.blog invites centralized or do people get them on signup?
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curve25519 is looking for one
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Zegnat curve25519, I don’t think anyone uses the gender option in MediaWiki. Just write whatever you want on your User page (or, just pronouns)
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Zegnat [manton] sends out invites in waves, I think? Although some IndieWeb events have had invites to give away. Some people here might have an invite for you if you want one.
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[jeremycherfas] I have some but I don’t think I can access from my phone.
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curve25519 if you get around to sharing to tjgillies@gmail that would be amazing :)
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jeremycherfas Done.
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curve25519 jeremycherfas++
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Loqi jeremycherfas has 5 karma in this channel (9 overall)
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jeremycherfas Excellent. Let me know your username there so I canfollow.
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Zegnat petermolnar, I thought schmarty was in charge of weekly summaries? ;)
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curve25519 jeremycherfas: kodo
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curve25519 jeremycherfas: Also just signed up for Exist, looks pretty cool
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jeremycherfas Yes, I'm enjoying Exist so far. No great insights yet ...
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dgold what is exist
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "exist" yet. Would you like to create it?
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curve25519 https://exist.io
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dgold stalkertastic
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jeremycherfas It's a handy non-silo silo, in as much as it sucks up data from various silos and then, should you be so minded, allows you to download those data. Easier for those of us who aren't API competent.
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curve25519 or who deal with apis all day at work and don't want to hack on them when they get home
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Zegnat Exist was also discussed during https://indieweb.org/User:Vanderven.se_martijn/hwc-2017-319 :)
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[kevinmarks] Why do we gather gender at all?
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cweiske Optional: used for gender-correct addressing by the software. This information will be public.
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Zegnat [kevinmarks], default MediaWiki form, I am guessing
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Zegnat Who is Zegnat?
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Loqi Martijn van der Ven is a long-time web tinkerer living in Sweden. Pronouns: he or they. http://vanderven.se/martijn/ https://indieweb.org/User:Vanderven.se/martijn/
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Zegnat I just show pronouns like that ^^^
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ancarda I was planning on using pronoun information when someone sends me a WebMention, so I can say “Martijn liked <post title> on his website” - where if you have they as your pronoun, it’ll be “their website”
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ancarda Martijn has multiple pronouns though: he or they, so I’m not sure how to handle that
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ancarda “On his/their website”?
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Zegnat Take the first one
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ancarda Yeah, ^^ that makes sense
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Zegnat For lists like these, especially authored by the person themselves, you can usually assume they are ordered by preference.
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Zegnat I prefer he over they, but both are fine.
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Zegnat You could also say you take the first one your system understands.
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ancarda Yeah, I think take the first defined one the system understands makes the most sense
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Zegnat I don’t think mf2 parsers handle language yet, so that could theoretically be an issue. Though I have been listing English pronouns first.
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jeremycherfas Zegnat++ for vIWC notes
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Loqi zegnat has 80 karma in this channel (148 overall)
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ancarda I noticed lang attributes on yours, theoretically it could give you a map of those?
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ancarda Zegnat’s website is amazing for testing
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Zegnat If you think I missed a link or context somewhere, please add, jeremycherfas :) I was handwriting notes and copied them into the wiki later. Links were taken from the Mumble chat log.
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ancarda For the time
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curve25519 goes by the turkish pronoun "o"
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ancarda Being I think pronouns aren’t fully supported microformat, so I was just going to avoid it with something like “Martijn liked <page> on licit.li”
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jeremycherfas That sounds eminently sensible to me.
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Zegnat There are several people experimenting with pronouns. Definitely wouldn’t call it a “supported” format. http://microformats.org/wiki/h-card-brainstorming#Pronouns
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Loqi h-card Brainstorming
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Zegnat curve25519 if you have any input on how you would mark-up Turkish pronouns, that would be great to get.
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curve25519 turkish only has one pronoun for he/she/it heh
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Zegnat Nice, nongendered pronouns definitely solve a lot of wrangling.
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Zegnat Oh, my gender page apparently doesn’t list English pronouns first. Nice going me. Can’t even stick to 1 order.
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curve25519 high valyrian has 4 genders
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curve25519 none of them are male/female though
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curve25519 Zegnat: y u no have an rss feed so i can parse yur datas with my old-world system? :P
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Loqi http://meme.loqi.me/m/4rWsgV6H.jpg
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Zegnat What is YAML feed?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "YAML feed" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat What is YAMLFeed?
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Loqi YAMLFeed is an attempt to ensure there is always a format war; since JSONFeed claims to be more readable, writable and easier to parse, than RSS, we present YAMLFeed: https://indieweb.org/YAMLFeed
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Zegnat I have one of those ;)
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curve25519 my software doesn't recognise that :(
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Zegnat I am thinking about adding RSS back to my blog. I also consume a lot of feeds myself and honestly do not mind the format.
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Zegnat With a little luck it’ll be up before the end of the year.
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Zegnat Currently focussing on Webmention and Micropub endpoints, don’t want to detract from that by fussing over feeds right now
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curve25519 i don't even have endpoints heh my site is static
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curve25519 one of the reasons I dig micro.blog
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curve25519 i can do a read-only publish but still have interaction
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Zegnat Having those endpoints doesn’t mean my site wont be static
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Zegnat I don’t update any part of my site when I receive webmentions, for one
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curve25519 but doesn't having endpoints make it non-static by definition?
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curve25519 like im talking flat files, there is nothing to even run logic
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Zegnat The micropub endpoint itself would contain logic, but several people have their micropub endpoint create a flat file and then trigger rebuild of their jekyll/hugo/etc static sites
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Zegnat Really neat way of having a simple to serve site and still use any Micropub supporting client for adding content.
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curve25519 ah
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curve25519 i don't control webserver though, it just takes my dat bundle and serves it over http heh
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[kevinmarks] Make an atom feed, nor an rss one, if you care about the difference between summary and content.
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[kevinmarks] *not
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curve25519 means atom by rss
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curve25519 rss is just muscle memory
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petermolnar I thought about re-adding micropub the same way I deal with webmention: I have a tiny client that puts incoming requests into an sqlite3 queue after some basic sanity check and only actually deal with them on rebuild, which is cron based, every 30 mins
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Zegnat I will only ever post full content to the feed, [kevinmarks]. And I like the shortness of the RSS spec
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Zegnat !tell petermolnar your YAMLFeed is down ?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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petermolnar I know, I completely forgot about that thing when I recently rebuilt the whole static generator codebase
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petermolnar I'm not certain it's a big loss :D
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Zegnat hehe
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Zegnat just realised you literally just spoke in this channel and didn’t need to !tell. I need to tweak the nick colouring my client is doing
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curve25519 are these valid guids? https://blog-kodo.hashbase.io/index.xml
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petermolnar or go full nerd and start using weechat or irssi, which I still hasn't done either
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curve25519 maybe that's why micro.blog hates my feed
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curve25519 petermolnar: I have a micropub weechat plugin
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curve25519 not really
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curve25519 but that sounds cool
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Zegnat petermolnar, sknebel was making a good case for Quassel in Berlin
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petermolnar what is Quassel?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Quassel" yet. Would you like to create it?
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curve25519 not a fan of the quassel UI
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curve25519 uses irccloud
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petermolnar oh, I'm ok with hexchat
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Zegnat You can’t host IRCCloud yourself though, right?
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curve25519 nope
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Zegnat Hexchat behind ZNC, petermolnar?
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curve25519 but i have like 8 connections to irc
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curve25519 so it's not like im forced into one thing
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petermolnar hexchat behind znc and bitlbee in the middle as glue
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curve25519 if i need backlog i just load irccloud tab
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curve25519 otherwise i just use hexchat with no znc
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Zegnat I used to run ZNC, but wasn’t so much as a black box of magic as it was a vault of black magic. Didn’t like it.
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Zegnat Also, curve25519, they are valid guids, the question is how globally unique they are...
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@emijnsbergen "Nog niet minder versnipperd". @MichaelMinneboo over blogs, het IndieWeb en meer. https://www.michaelminneboo.nl/2017/11/nog-niet-minder-versnipperd/ (twitter.com/_/status/932566224780910593)
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curve25519 Zegnat: probably pretty unique since other people are doing it properly :P
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petermolnar Zegnat znc is not much of a black magic, I even changed one of the extension a bit
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Zegnat *gasp*
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Zegnat to be fair, I treat basically anything outside of webdev as black magic, petermolnar. I am still salty about nginx not being able to do what I wanted
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petermolnar you want black magic? :) here: https://www.cs.rit.edu/~ats/books/ooc.pdf
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curve25519 i thought object oriented c was golang? :P
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petermolnar close
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dgold curve25519: I have a static site, with endpoints
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dgold webmentions are 'outsourced' with the mentions displayed dynamically on the static site
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dgold and I have a micropub endpoint which saves files to the content location
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dgold that location is 'watched' by lcron, and a new file appearing in there triggers a rebuild of the static site
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Zegnat killed his website with black magic
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[kevinmarks] My point is that if you use rss I can't tell if your feed is full content or not, because both summary and content are called "description"
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[kevinmarks] Also, the escaping rules are "guess by sniffing the content"
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jjuran :-(
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cweiske -> atom
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Zegnat Hmm, yeah, I guess RSS escaping rules are a little iffy.
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Zegnat Maybe I will decide to do ATOM afterall. We’ll see when I get to it.
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Zegnat Although for RSS, isn’t it just decode HTML entities and use the resulting blob as HTML?
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Zegnat realises that’s a question for -dev
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petermolnar I found the RSS <content:encoded><![CDATA[ is simpler, I can just dump the actual HTML content there
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Jeena I let the libs handle that
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dgold -> also atom
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dgold moved over a few weeks ago, its just a tidier format
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Zegnat supposes he could look at the ATOM spec anyway.
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[kevinmarks] Petermolnar: see dev
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[manton] Smiling at the YAMLFeed wiki page. ?
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@manton2 Tinkered with WordPress last night so I could ping the new RSVP page for IndieWebCamp Austin. Also rolled out WordPress export for http://Micro.blog. https://2017.indieweb.org/austin (twitter.com/_/status/932629460586827776)
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aaronpk [jeremycherfas] can you send me an exist.io referral code? I want to check it out
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[kevinmarks] Silo incentives: Opinion | We Can't Trust Facebook to Regulate Itself - New York Times http://nzzl.us/6FLIrHJ
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[kevinmarks] Facebook << We Can't Trust Facebook to Regulate Itself - New York Times http://nzzl.us/6FLIrHJ
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Loqi ok, I added "We Can't Trust Facebook to Regulate Itself - New York Times http://nzzl.us/6FLIrHJ" to the "See Also" section of /Facebook
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ancarda Does anyone host from home? Is that feasible/good idea?
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tantek ancarda: I think j12t has/had a host from home setup. I think a few other people may too. I don't remember where we documented it
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tantek what is home
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Loqi Your homepage represents you on the web, typically at the top of your domain, with your name and an iconic representation, often marked up with h-card, and fairly commonly one or more streams of recent, topical, or most relevant posts marked up with h-entry https://indieweb.org/home
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tantek heh
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Zegnat I think AJ / strugee still hosts from home?
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ancarda https://indieweb.org/web_hosting#Home_server
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tantek yeah!
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ancarda It's something I'd like to get back into, although I'm a bit concerned <20mbit/s upload is going to make my site slow (My partner is thinking of streaming on Twitch once we have faster internet so there's some bandwidth used)
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ancarda I tried for months to get anything resembling Fiber to the Home, but all I can get is Fiber to the Cabinet :/
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tantek ancarda - good incentive to keep your website assetts small and minimal (fewer)!
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tantek like avoid bloating it up with all the fancy JS frameworks du jour
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ancarda Hmm, yeah there's already not many assets. I suppose I could push large assets to Azure
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petermolnar ancarda it's a perfectly fine to host from home
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aaronpk Most home ISPs have an explicit clause in the terms of service that prohibit running a server with public access, so it's worth looking at that. Tho unless you're running a commercial website with lots of traffic i doubt any of them would care.
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ancarda Before we settle with FTTC, I want to see if I have any options left for fast internet. Nobody will sell me FTTP, even though it's technically available in my area >:(
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petermolnar I'm with a provider called Zen in the UK; they give you static ipv4 and hosting is perfectly fine
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petermolnar mail, on the other hand, can get tricky
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petermolnar especially without a proper reverse dns
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aaronpk *in the US anyway
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petermolnar webhosting, sure
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ancarda Oh, I'm never going to host my own emails, I'm happy with FastMail doing that for me
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ancarda My last ISP was Andrews and Arnold (also does static IPv4, and you also get IPv6), although I moved in with my partner who uses Sky. I'm not so bothered by that, but it's really slow. He never upgraded it from ADSL
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petermolnar however, unless you have really strong reasons or ideology for hosting from home, a 5$ vps might serve you better
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petermolnar adsl or vdsl?
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[miklb] agreed
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ancarda Almost definitely ADSL
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petermolnar that is indeed slow, vdsl can go 16Mb/2Mb on normal phone lines, 72/16 on newer ones
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ancarda The exchange in the area will do 80 down/20 up fiber to the cabinet, and also something called "Fiber to the Premises on Demand" (FTTPoD), which is apparently business only
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ancarda I can't speak to any ISPs, they all say to speak to Openreach. They won't speak to me because I'm not an ISP
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tantek what is FTTC?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "FTTC" yet. Would you like to create it?
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tantek what is FTTP?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "FTTP" yet. Would you like to create it?
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petermolnar ancarda talk to them: https://www.zen.co.uk/ they might be able to say something useful
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ancarda Fiber to the Cabinet, sorry, I said the full name earlier so I felt it was ok to start using the acronym
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tantek ancarda - worth defining just so folks can look it up
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tantek e.g.
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ancarda I called Zen, they said I could try asking Openreach, but they couldn't do anything :(
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petermolnar oh
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ancarda Ok, I can try
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petermolnar unlimited 4g plans instead? :)
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ancarda I likely can't complain to the council either, as they have no power or right to force Openreach to make it available to non-businesses
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tantek if you type "FTTC is ... " and write the expansion, perhaps a short user-friendly explanation of what that means for the indieweb, then Loqi will add it to the wiki (within 10 min of whoever asked "what is")
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tantek ancarda: ^^^
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ancarda Ok, give me a minute to write something that makes sense
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tantek you've got 4 min left :)
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ancarda FTTC (Fibre to the Cabinet) is a connectivity technology where a fiber optic connection goes from the exchange to a cabinet several hundred meters away from the premises, where the last leg of the connection is run over traditional copper. FTTC is a gap-stop technology that can increase internet speeds without installing full fibre to every house.
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ancarda FTTC << https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_x#FTTN_and_FTTC
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Loqi Sorry, I couldn't find a page named "FTTC" or similar
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ancarda oh damn
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Zegnat Aparently the timer had lapsed?
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Zegnat What is FTTC?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "FTTC" yet. Would you like to create it?
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Zegnat Try again?
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ancarda No, I may have screwed up the start: `FTTC (Fibre to the Cabinet) is a ...`
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sknebel yep
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ancarda FTTC is an acronym for Fibre to the Cabinet; a connectivity technology where a fiber optic connection goes from the exchange to a cabinet several hundred meters away from the premises, where the last leg of the connection is run over traditional copper. FTTC is a gap-stop technology that can increase internet speeds without installing full fibre to every house.
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Loqi ok
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ancarda FTTC << https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_x#FTTN_and_FTTC
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tantek nice!
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Loqi ok, I added "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_x#FTTN_and_FTTC" to the "See Also" section of /FTTC
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Zegnat Oh, hmm, I’ve run into that too. I wonder if it might be worth expanding the regex for “term (expanded term) is ...”. aaronpk?
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ancarda FTTP is an acronym for Fibre to the Premises, also known as Fiber to the Home; an internet connectivity technology where a fiber optic line is run directly to a premises. It's typically not widely available due to high installation costs, but provides the best possible connection.
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Loqi ok
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ancarda FTTP << https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_x#FTTP
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Loqi ok, I added "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_x#FTTP" to the "See Also" section of /FTTP
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ancarda Editing the wiki over IRC is really cool, btw
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ancarda Can I make a redirect from FTTH to FTTP?
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tantek ancarda++
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sknebel what is FTTH?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "FTTH" yet. Would you like to create it?
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sknebel FTTH is /FTTP
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Loqi ok
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sknebel like that
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tantek ancarda yes ^^^
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tantek :)
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tantek sknebel++
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ancarda If I re-paste my "FTTC is ...", will it fix the spelling in the first paragraph?
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tantek ancarda: no - at that point you need to go edit the wiki :)
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ancarda Alright, I've done that
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ancarda So, yeah, I was trying to get FTTP, but it's apparently business only... :/ I'll stick to hosting with Linode for now
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jeremycherfas Any htaccess people, please take a look at my post in #indieweb-wordpress
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[miklb] what is a bookmark
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Loqi A bookmark (or linkblog) is a post that is primarily comprised of a URL, often title text from that URL, sometimes optional text describing, tagging, or quoting from its contents https://indieweb.org/bookmark
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Christian Heilmann Web Truths: The web is better than any other platform as it is backwards compatible and fault tolerant" https://christianheilmann.com/2017/11/18/web-truths-the-web-is-better-than-any-other-platform-as-it-is-backwards-compatible-and-fault-tolerant/ (from http://miklb.com/2017/11/christian-heilmann-web-truths-the-web-is-better-than-any-other-platform-as-it-is-backwards-compatible-and-fault-tolerant/)
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[miklb] he refers to IndieWeb as “artisinal, indie movement that creates great new and open ways to use it” I feel like now I need a cobbler apron when I work on my site
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tantek [miklb] and perhaps a polished copper keyboard
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[miklb] yes!
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[cleverdevil] Haha, I actually have one of these in my office - https://oree.co/product/board
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Loqi hehe
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[cleverdevil] I'm such a hipster.
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tantek wat. that's actually a thing?!?
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[cleverdevil] Its real.
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[cleverdevil] Mine is even engraved with my name on it!
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[miklb] walnut/copper ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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tantek woodgrain++
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tantek [cleverdevil] I believe you have volunteered to reply to christianheilmann's post (and tweet assuming he tweeted it) with a photo of your setup with your keyboard and screen showing your indieweb site
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tantek tweed jacket optional
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[cleverdevil] Its actually carved out of a single piece of walnut, so the woodgrain is consistent across all of the keys.
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tantek I noticed that
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sknebel they could use a more artinasal website though ;)
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[cleverdevil] Hah, unfortunately I'm not in the office today, I am working from home.
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, the site isn't very good.
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tantek looks like WordPress under the covers
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Zegnat Hmm, looks fancy, but those keys seem to shallow to be covering good solid mechanical switches .... ;)
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[cleverdevil] Yeah, it feels mostly like a prior generation MacBook keyboard.
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[cleverdevil] Not the new "butterfly switch" abomination that Apple is shipping these days.
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[cleverdevil] I am considering replacing it with a nice mechanical switch keyboard.
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tantek ... using the jc-woocommerce plugin for their shop
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Zegnat I have been eyeing several mechanical keyboards lately. But they don’t make sense until I have a fixed desk I work from
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[cleverdevil] Also not a surprise. WordPress is the dominant CMS. WooCommerce is the dominant eCommerce solution for WordPress.
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[kevinmarks] Don't make your own keyboard. Remember Jesse
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Warning: array_key_exists() expects parameter 2 to be array, boolean given in /home/zakwinnick/zakwinnick.com/wp-content/plugins/indieweb-post-kinds/includes/views/kind-bookmark.php on line 20 a post Bookmarked http://brent.micro.blog/2017/11/20/continuing-to-make.html." by Zak Winnick on 2017-11-20 https://www.zakwinnick.com/32-2/
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aaronpk Wait what
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@sdepolo A10, Amen! ? Now that you can have your own site with an email marketing list built in under an hour, for less than the cost of dinner, no excuses. #ownYourContent #indieWeb #BizapaloozaChat https://twitter.com/Steffen_Horst/status/932699319324626945 (twitter.com/_/status/932701813895200769)
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ben_thatmustbeme what the?
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[kevinmarks] You can get Jesse to make you one though https://shop.keyboard.io/
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ben_thatmustbeme is that an error with postkinds?
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ben_thatmustbeme if it weren't so expensive i would get one
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Zegnat I already thought the ~150ish mechanical keyboards I was looking at were expensive
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sknebel ergnomic keyboards are expensive
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sknebel and of course, if you go in the exotics ((semi-)custom) you can spend even more
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Zegnat Honestly, I’ve never seen the appeal of the ergonomic ones. First of all I am getting one with keypad when I buy a new board, and the ergos rarely have that. I also think the repositioning of buttons can really screw up with gaming shortcuts.
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Zegnat I guess if you really write a lot of text all the time they are really good
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sknebel I'm on a 15 year old logitech rubberdome one since nobody makes nices ones that don'T cost an arm and an leg anymore
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Zegnat I used to be on an old Microsoft board. Had a good click to it. I actually hate my laptop keyboard, but don’t want to drag one around with me
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@CodingItWrong The #indieweb is a return to the original vision of the web; I want to make an 88x31px “Works With Webmentions” badge (cc @keithjgrant) (twitter.com/_/status/932731732985565187)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "A post on Twitter The #indieweb is a return to the original vision of the web; I want to make an 88x31px &#226;&#128;&#156;Works With Webmentions&#226;&#128;&#157; badge (cc @keithjgrant)&#8212; Josh Justice (@CodingItWrong) November 20, 2017 I would totally add that to my site." by Michael Bishop on 2017-11-20 https://miklb.com/2017/11/2784/
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