#indieweb 2018-03-22

2018-03-22 UTC
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/KevinBankston/status/976516186392363008?s=19
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@KevinBankston The API condundrum(s): --legit researchers using APIs to expand human knowledge, track fake news and abuse, etc = GOOD --fake researchers siphoning data for Cambridge Analytica = BAD --APIs open enough to allow competitive/innovative use of data with user permission = GOOD (1/3) (twitter.com/_/status/976516186392363008)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "start considering the user" by Khürt Williams on 2018-03-22 https://tracking.feedpress.it/link/1771/8627778
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@Shoq .@kevinmarks Been much new interest in indieweb lately, given this almost inevitable @facebook fail? (twitter.com/_/status/976627770930483202)
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@khurtwilliams I recently wrote a post similar to this one. I appreciate the work of the people behind the #IndieWeb. I love what the #IndieWeb... https://islandinthenet.com/start-considering-the-user/ (twitter.com/_/status/976628299903504384)
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gRegorLove Geez, so many advertisers I've allegedly "interacted with" according to Facebook on the Ad Preferences page. I cleared these out about six months ago and there's a LOT there again.
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gRegorLove Maybe it's like every advertiser they've shown me
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gRegorLove Hm, no. "With your contact info" what on earth.
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gRegorLove Of course you can only remove by clicking on them individually.
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gRegorLove Going through this article btw: https://fieldguide.gizmodo.com/heres-how-to-share-as-little-data-as-possible-without-d-1823915628
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tantek aaronpk is demoing at HWC SF
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tantek he's now following iambismark.net
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tantek and just got requested again that I opensource / document the improved URL input box that I use on tantek.com/relmeauth/
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gRegorLove FB seems to claim these are advertisers who have my contact info, and FB lets them match up my profile to their records so they can advertise to me.
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gRegorLove But sorry, I've never been a customer at David's Bridal.
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tantek but maybe one of your friends are
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gRegorLove "Advertisers you've interacted with: With your contact info" then "Review advertisers whose ads you may be seeing currently because you're on their customer list."
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@heml This might be a good time to remind people about Indieweb: https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/976637642304565249)
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tantek "my website is my twitter client"
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tantek demo now of a micropub endpoint written in Erlang
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tantek working on a server that publishes to his own static blog that currently runs / published with Hugo
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iambismark[m] https://twitter.com/Jason/status/976249105792958465
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@Jason Founders: Do you think you can build a better @facebook? I'm funding seven teams for $100,000 each to do that as part of our OpenBook Challenge https://www.openbookchallenge.com/ https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/DYxVV9LU8AAaJOL.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/976249105792958465)
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iambismark[m] Relevant to our discussion tonight?
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@indiescripter Testing Twitter Apps for the indieweb! (twitter.com/_/status/976680055509151744)
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@ChrisAldrich @heml There's even a group working on education related uses: https://indieweb.org/Indieweb_for_Education #edtech (twitter.com/_/status/976683997836308480)
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[unoabraham] Update: Moved IndieAuth to 1.com, and set up Own Your Swarm. 2.com is my blog/microblog, and where I want the updates sent to.
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[unoabraham] Unfortunately, the check-in was posted to 1.com.
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[unoabraham] I'm sure there is a workaround/fix, but the easier fix right now seems to be to set up IndieAuth on the domain where the actual content will be posted.
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jjuran what is 1.com?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "1.com" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "1.com is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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KartikPrabhu jjuranI think it is an example
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jjuran I don’t get it. 1.com is a reserved domain.
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jjuran Oh, two example domains?
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KartikPrabhu yes
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@wolfwitte Mal machen: http://techlifeweb.com/using-wordpress-for-indieweb/#posse (http://wolfwitte.de/wordpress2/index.php/2018/03/22/2826/) https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DY38qEpV4AAp3Ir.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/976714495690248192)
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[unoabraham] I'm just using 1.com, 2.com, 3.com as examples. I'm having content on multiple blogs, one specifically a photoblog, one a regular blog, and one a daily/microblog.
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[unoabraham] It is easy to POSSE all of this content to one Twitter ID, or a Facebook profile or page. IndieWeb on the other hand is not playing well. I'm trying to get IndieAuth on one domain working across all domains.
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[unoabraham] I would like to use my portfolio website (a single page website) for IndieAuth. However, as stated above when using Own Your Swarm the content is being posted to my portfolio website and not to my microblog.
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[unoabraham] I would prefer check ins, status updates, etc. to go to my microblog.
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[unoabraham] Folks using incoming webhooks, is that an app or are you posting on a website and the messages are getting crossposted to Slack?
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KartikPrabhu its IRC
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas Although there is a web app too, at https://chat.indieweb.org/
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Zegnat Good morning jeremycherfas :)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas Good morning Zegnat
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/timberners_lee/status/976623318941003776?s=19
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@timberners_lee I can imagine Mark Zuckerberg is devastated that his creation has been abused and misused. (Some days I have the same feeling #justsaying) 2/9 (twitter.com/_/status/976623318941003776)
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swentel hehe nice quote :)
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@EwoutWolff .@frankmeeuwsen : leve het Indieweb. Onze gedachten, relaties en identiteiten zijn van onszelf. Laten we een afspraak maken om bij te praten. Ik wil al tijden een weekend met Thinkers bij elkaar komen. Voor leiderschap: voor onszelf, onze geliefden en anderen. Lets do this. (twitter.com/_/status/976782471357493249)
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@martijnvdven @EwoutWolff @frankmeeuwsen Om de zoveel tijd is er een #HomebrewWebsiteClub bij @alab_AMS, georganiseerd door http://martinlopatka.com/ en @sebsel. De Nederlandse tak van #indieweb leeft! Helaas nog geen weekend lange @indiewebcamp geplant in NL, maar net over de grens in Düsseldorf komt er een aan in mei. (twitter.com/_/status/976786305932840960)
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Zegnat Oof, via voxpelli: https://twitter.com/chrismaddern/status/976521152008019968
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@chrismaddern Companies can now pay for access to all historic Slack messages — including DMs — even though Slack used to assure users they were private. This feels like selling out to enterprise pressure. https://www.fastcompany.com/40547684/slack-picked-a-weird-time-to-make-it-easier-for-bosses-to-download-your-private-chats (twitter.com/_/status/976521152008019968)
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@IndiewebHosting Own your own data for the price of a coffee per month. Go #indieweb. https://indieweb-hosting.com/ (twitter.com/_/status/976797757427109889)
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@edvinasbartkus @Cianomaidin Combo of Indieweb / http://Micro.blog / http://Sunlit.io - http://sunlit.io/ (twitter.com/_/status/976798867135123457)
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@EwoutWolff @martijnvdven @frankmeeuwsen @alab_AMS @Sebsel @indiewebcamp Dank je Martijn. Ben een fan van @kevinmarks, dus het Indieweb heeft mijn aandacht. Ik ga kijken naar dat weekend. Nu eerst wat thee & moed krijgen. (twitter.com/_/status/976800190756728832)
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sknebel "indieweb hosting" ^^^ - is that someone we know?
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jeremycherfas Yes, sknebel, I believe it is pierre-o who does drop in from time to time. I may have his nick wrong. I used it for about a year to host my Known.
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sknebel ah, interesting
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@martijnvdven @EwoutWolff Je bent altijd welkom in de chat (waar @kevinmarks vaak ook wel beschikbaar is 😉) met vragen en opmerkingen: https://chat.indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/976801699473055746)
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Zegnat is not afraid to throw [kevinmarks] name around if that might get more people interested in IndieWeb meetups
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@EwoutWolff @martijnvdven @kevinmarks nogmaals bedankt, Martijn. En thanks @kevinmarks for following me - too much honour ;-) Like your talks at TWIT, will dive deeper into Indieweb now. (twitter.com/_/status/976807261044723713)
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@cbfishes Why I'm building an internet homepage like it's 1998 read: https://chrisbeckstrom.com/stream/2018/03/22/about-this-website/ #IndieWeb #micropub (twitter.com/_/status/976818329796177920)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Hjertnes' Blog." on 2018-02-05 http://hjertnes.blog/post/3490cff3-9f33-4dd0-89bf-d85752a4f7ac
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schmarty sknebel: indieweb-hosting.com appears to be run by https://about.markwaters.eu/ (found by following their about page to @IndiewebHosting on twitter and doing reverse image search on the profile pic to find their GitHub profile with a link to that homepage)
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cweiske I think it sounds fishy
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cweiske if there are no contact info, no name
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schmarty he mentions indieweb-hosting on his personal site. i think he's keeping it a small operation.
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jeremycherfas Oh yes,. I was mistaken. I was thinking of https://indie.host That's pierre-o
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[manton] Has the state of custom domains on Medium been discussed recently? Recently they announced that custom domains were no longer supported, but now the help page for that has been removed: http://web.archive.org/web/20180301231401/https://help.medium.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005579728-Get-started-with-custom-domains
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[manton] Wondering if I missed that they had a change of heart.
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sknebel cweiske: agreed, not even basic information and using the "brand" so prominently isn't a good look
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sknebel Manton that looks more like they've decided to keep it that way, otherwise they wouldn't have removed the entire thing?
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[manton] Yeah, it's hard for me to say. The original title was "Get started with custom domains". I haven't been able to find an official policy anywhere else.
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[eddie] So I decided I'm expediting my removal of Facebook (https://eddiehinkle.com/2018/03/22/5/article/) and I expected that my friends and family on Facebook would be confused and think it was a horrible idea. It turns out, lots of "normal" people are very upset with Facebook and are not surprised I'm leaving.
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Loqi Leaving Facebook ... soon
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[eddie] I think the biggest challenge is I don't have a good solution for private sharing for them. My recommended ways to keep in touch with me are micro.blog or signing up for my periodic email that I'm going to have my website send. Worse case scenario: Twitter. However, of the feedback mechanisms (micro.blog or twitter) those both tend to really be public posting 🤔
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[eddie] I think that is the biggest hole in the IndieWeb armor right now
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KartikPrabhu that and setting up and managing you own website
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[eddie] Well, that's why I recommended micro.blog for the majority of my Facebook relations since none of them are techie. That would be their best option. A place to post thoughts and photos
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[eddie] It allows them to enter the IndieWeb with the least amount of friction currently
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KartikPrabhu [eddie]: but they then have to trust the micro.blog is not doing anything funny
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KartikPrabhu just like they trusted FB earlier
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[eddie] That is correct. Generally people tend to trust the "techie" friend in my circles. I don't know how many will take the leap, it's tough to get people to move from what they are used to
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KartikPrabhu yup
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[eddie] So I think "fear of change" is the biggest inhibitor rather than trusting micro.blog based on my recommendation
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Zegnat Have you thought of running a multi-user Known instance, being the “techie friend” already?
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[eddie] I have thought about that as I was drifting in and out of sleep this morning
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[eddie] lol
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[eddie] I am considering bringing that up with my family at the very least
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KartikPrabhu Zegnat: that is fine for [eddie]'s immediate friends but then what about freinds of friends? and the whole "social graph" <pun intended>
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KartikPrabhu it is the "i'll move if all of my friends do also" problem
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Zegnat At some point they would be too far from [eddie] to trust his Known instnace by default. So they either find someone else to host a Known instance or have to trust a third party like micro.blog?
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KartikPrabhu Zegnat: yes, but that propagates through the "graph"
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Zegnat You can’t transport the entire social graph from Facebook to a single thing in one go anyway
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KartikPrabhu yes, you can't but sometimes that is the criteria people use
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KartikPrabhu to decide whether to move from FB or not
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Zegnat What is Path?
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Loqi Path is a content hosting silo for private sharing of information among a small (limit 150) group of friends https://indieweb.org/Path
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Zegnat Path << https://thenextweb.com/insider/2018/03/22/path-ceo-considers-rebuilding-his-social-network/
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Loqi ok, I added "https://thenextweb.com/insider/2018/03/22/path-ceo-considers-rebuilding-his-social-network/" to the "See Also" section of /Path
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Zegnat hopes that’s the same Path
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[eddie] That's odd, because Path had huge issues with privacy and grabbing all your contacts and stuff
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[eddie] lol "One privacy issued social network wants to rebuild to replace the other privacy issued social network"
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[eddie] .... yep, that reads
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[eddie] 😆
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[eddie] I have to say, though, regardless of how many people that I know ACTUALLY leave Facebook, based on the responses I'm seeing I do think they are in the weakest place they've ever been
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snarfed documented bridgy's GDPR compliance: https://brid.gy/about#gdpr
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snarfed (spoiler alert: i don't actually know if it complies 😂)
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[eddie] I think that is a pretty good analysis… says the US guy
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[eddie] lol
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swentel haha
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Loqi awesome
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swentel yeah, we've been working on them for a while now for all our clients
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swentel it's tedious pfff
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Zegnat Hmm, I think dgold said that specific paragraph Article 9(2)(e) actually didn’t apply at all?
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dgold 9.2e is about specific forms of Private Data that a data subject makes publicly available
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dgold its an _exception_ to 9(1): viz
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dgold Processing of personal data revealing racial or ethnic origin, political opinions, religious or philosophical beliefs, or trade union membership, and the processing of genetic data, biometric data for the purpose of uniquely identifying a natural person, data concerning health or data concerning a natural person's sex life or sexual orientation shall be prohibited.
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snarfed will defer all of this to lawyers if/when necessary (hopefully never)
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dgold 9(2)(e) only refers to that data in 9(1) which has been made public, I'd take it out of your GDPR statement (IAALBIAN_Y_L)
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Zegnat likes that abbreviation
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dgold You could say something like: Brid.gy does not process data, other than that processing which it is instructed to carry out by users: The transmission of public data from your website onwards to Internet Services, and the transmission of interactions with your posts on Internet Services back to your site.
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snarfed dgold: thanks for the help! bridgy really does only process public data though, by design. https://brid.gy/about#fully+public ...so in that case, does 9 2 e maybe still apply?
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dgold It applies where that data would otherwise be covered by 9(1), yes
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snarfed ok
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dgold hence you should make use of the long-neglected <blink> tag for the word public :-)
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[tantek] Wow lots this morning
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dgold snarfed: but it is not correct in its current form - I think that Brid.gy _is_ almost certainly exempt from most of GDPR, but not on the basis of 9(2)(e)
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[tantek] Did no one else see the irony of Tim’s tweet storm not being his own blog post? Mitigation: looks like all the tweetstorm points were made in his blog post: https://webfoundation.org/2018/03/web-birthday-29/
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[tantek] (On his foundation’s site rather than personal, but better than just social media)
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Zegnat Does timbl even have a personal site? I think he usually links his name to a subpage on w3.org as his identity?
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aaronpk we were just talking about private groups last night at HWC
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[eddie] oh? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:
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snarfed dgold: people say lots of things about their ethnicities, political opinions, etc in posts that bridgy handles, so 9.1 and 9.2.e still seem applicable, right?
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aaronpk it sure does seem like a good time for this
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[tantek] Did anyone else notice the almost “indieweb advocacy” section/paragraph in Tim’s post?
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[tantek] “Make the web work for people
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[tantek] The web that many connected to years ago is not what new users will find today. What was once a rich selection of blogs and websites has been compressed under the powerful weight of a few dominant platforms. ”
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dgold if I was snarfed, I'd stay _far_ away from backfeeding anything to do with private groups
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dgold snarfed: yes. it applies.
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snarfed definitely. bridgy always has.
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snarfed ok! thanks
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dgold you aren't held to a higher standard than the services where someone makes those posts
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[tantek] So tempted to reply to that with, agreed Tim. Tantek.com is my blog, where’s yours?
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dgold you might be held to the same standard, however, so you need to make sure you're cocked locked and ready to rock with data exporting & data deletion procedures
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dgold because you know & I know there are teams of m'colleagues out there chomping at the bit for May 25
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snarfed thanks. my initial plan for export and deletion is manual until it hurts, since i expect (hope) i won't get any requests. :P
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[tantek] Re: Bridgy, isn’t this mitigated by Bridgy only handling already publicly accessible data?
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snarfed [tantek]: read backscroll
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[tantek] I did. Must have missed something
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snarfed https://chat.indieweb.org/2018-03-22/1521737638348900
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Loqi [snarfed] dgold: thanks for the help! bridgy really does only process public data though, by design. https://brid.gy/about#fully+public ...so in that case, does 9 2 e maybe still apply?
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[eddie] Considering that bridgy literally EXISTS to export data to the user’s controlled website, I think you are safe
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snarfed [eddie]: but also to other sites :P
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dgold [eddie]: no, that's not sufficient
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dgold this was something beaten into us in GDPR training
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Zegnat It also exports comments written by people who have not agreed to any terms from Bridgy, surely?
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aaronpk i haven't really looked into this yet, am i going to have to do anything in particular for the things i run like webmention.io or ownyourgram?
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dgold the data, all the lists of pages, tweets &c that bridgy has, must be exportable by the user
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snarfed yup. bridgy doesn't have a ToS anyway
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@IndiewebHosting #deletefacebook and go #indieweb with @IndiewebHosting (twitter.com/_/status/976867248659943430)
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aaronpk o.O
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[eddie] Hmmm, interesting
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dgold Zegnat: but they've put those comments on a public platform
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[eddie] That seems a bit excessive
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[eddie] lol
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snarfed dgold: that export can be manual, right? ie if there's a time limit, is it in days or longer?
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GWG dgold, they forced you into GPDR training too?
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dgold if bridgy did DMs, then that wouldbe a possible vector of violation
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snarfed (yeah, we all owe dgold lots of billable hr fees 😂😭)
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[eddie] dgold++
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Loqi dgold has 19 karma in this channel (37 overall)
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dgold GWG: yeah, well, no, I have to do 25hrs of CPD training this year, and it was free!
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dgold free! can't get a better price ;)
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Zegnat I don’t know how Bridgy works. E.g. if I have a post only visible to friends, will it backfeed comments on that? My friends have never posted that to be visible outside that specific audience, and definitely not on the public web. Surely they haven’t consented to have their data processed by Bridgy?
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snarfed Zegnat: no. bridgy only does fully public stuff. https://brid.gy/about#fully+public
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Zegnat Good to know, thanks snarfed!
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dgold snarfed: a.20: THe data subject shall have the right to receive the personal data concerning him or her, which he or she has provided to a controller, in a structured, commonly used and machine-readable format and have the right to transmit those data to another controller without hindrance from the controller to which the personal data have been provided
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snarfed dgold: ok so no time limit. phew. thanks!
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sknebel does it count that the userpages are h-feeds with useful attributes?
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dgold it would be best if you could provide the entirety of the data in some export form, but really, we're into the weeds
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dgold like a big fat json file :)
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skippy is there a demo Known sign on which I could sign in to poke at it before setting it up myself?
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skippy s/demo Known sign/demo Known site/
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dgold sknebel: problem is that if you're explaining, you're losing. You want to explain h-feeds to some thin-watch wearing $750/hr huckster?
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@WorkingWriter While you're trying to decide what to do about your Facebook account, consider @joindiaspora , @withknown , and the #IndieWeb (http://indieweb.org) (twitter.com/_/status/976868667211251714)
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sknebel hm... I think there was one, but no idea how to find it given that "known" is entirely ungoogleable...
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Zegnat Someone was running a multi-user Known with open sign-up, skippy. But I forget who. Maybe #knownchat remembers
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aaronpk so is it basically that i need to make sure people have a way to download a file with all their info from my services?
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dgold pretty much, yes.
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dgold easiest & simplest
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aaronpk how do i know they are who they are making the request about?
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aaronpk since i assume this doesn't require that they have an account on my service to make the request
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dgold by making the download a `feature` of their logged-in status
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dgold then they're not a user of your service, and its hard to see how the GDPR applies
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KartikPrabhu "withknown" instead of "known"
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dgold you're not facebook, you're not scraping someone's phone contacts to get the names & addresses of their friends & family
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aaronpk with ownyourswarm, your friends' comments will also be pulled in
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aaronpk and they don't have an account with ownyourswarm
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Zegnat If you are a webmention endpoint, you may have scraped h-cards from other people though
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aaronpk yeah same with webmention.io, i have a bunch of photos and comments from people who haven't signed up for the service
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skippy Ah, I found http://known.boffosocko.com from the indiweb wiki. thanks!
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dgold aaronpk: are you holding that information?
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snarfed yes. bridgy is too.
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aaronpk yeah since webmention.io has an API for people to query the webmentions
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dgold on OYS?
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snarfed on wm.io
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aaronpk i do store it on OYS because it has to host a web page to send the webmention to your site
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dgold if you have an API to download your stuff, you have a data export function
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aaronpk but the people who haven't signed up for an account can't use that api
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snarfed my answer for bridgy export/delete is "
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snarfed er
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snarfed ..."manual until it hurts"
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Zegnat GDPR disclaimer: “you want to see / correct / remove your data? Call +1...” :P
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snarfed thank you so much dgold! we owe you!
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dgold aaronpk: you're not charging for oys & wm.io, yes?
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dgold you're not advertising based, so you don't derive income from the action of processing the data?
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snarfed right afaik, no income
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dgold so, i'd argue pretty strongly that you're exempted under a.2(2) `for purely personal or household activity`
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dgold REcital 18 clarifies 2(2) with the following:
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dgold "This Regulation does not apply to the processing of personal data by a natural person in the course of a purely personal or household activity and thus with no connection to a professional or commercial activity. 2Personal or household activities could include correspondence and the holding of addresses, or social networking and online activity undertaken within the context of such activities. "
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dgold `with no connection to a professional or commercial activity`
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snarfed yay, yes
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dgold I would still advocate to you both that you could 'belt&braces' the whole thing with a strong Data Export Function and an effective Data Deletion/Termination method
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snarfed understood
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snarfed dgold: any idea where the termination part is? searching https://gdpr-info.eu/ for termination and terminate doesn't find much
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dgold snarfed: a.17
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snarfed thx
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dgold and Recital 65
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dgold if someone is deleting their account (hey Facebook!) then the presumption is towards deletion of all data
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[colinwalker] When you look at recital 18 it says: “Personal or household activities could include correspondence and the holding of addresses, or social networking and online activity undertaken within the context of such activities. However, this Regulation applies to controllers or processors which provide the means for processing personal data for such personal or household activities” - would the likes of bridgy and webmention.io be caught here?
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snarfed [colinwalker]: yup! mentioned earlier
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[colinwalker] Ah okay - didn’t scroll up enough.
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dgold [colinwalker]: yes, because there's a corpus of eu law which says that personal activities are activities which are not linked to or associated with the derivation of income of commercial activity
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dgold sorry, I mean 'no'
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Zegnat Hmm. Or Loqi is being slow again?
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Zegnat dgold++ for snarfed, because I shouldn’t be rate-limited by Loqi yet
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Zegnat dgold, you should set-up a https://ko-fi.com/, so we can all buy you a cup of coffee ;)
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snarfed expanded the bridgy gdpr docs: https://brid.gy/about#gdpr
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snarfed dgold++ seriously! hugely appreciated
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snarfed aaronpk: feel free to steal that language ^ in part or full, i expect it applies to wm.io and OYS exactly the same
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dgold Ithink that's an excellent GDPR statement, snarfed
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snarfed yay! hugs and warm fuzzies
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Loqi 😃
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dgold :( the milk things in this motel coffee set are labelled "milk"
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[colinwalker] But isn’t there a distinction here between the personal activity and the additional processing? Personal activity = people’s blogs which can hold data but not comply whereas the processing to pass the data between them is not. Or am I overthinking it?
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dgold you're overthinking it a small bit, [colinwalker]
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dgold the activity by snarfed, aaronpk &c is the 'personal activity' i'm considering
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[colinwalker] Okay
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[colinwalker] Just wanted to be clear
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[colinwalker] Thx
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dgold oh, [colinwalker] I sent a reply wm to you yesterday, so I think you did break things
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[colinwalker] [dgold] yup, looks like it. Fixed it now though.
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dgold \o/
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[colinwalker] I just need to find another way to achieve what I wanted.
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aaronpk dgold++
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dgold Zegnat: because you made me: ko-fi.com/dgoldascraeus
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dgold :)
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dgold any coffee would be better than the much this motel room has. Robert Roberts Freeze Dried Sewage
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snarfed iaal
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snarfed argh ignore
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@kjmobb good question. an indieweb approach might solve this, giving authors an opportunity to signal whether they are up for an open conversation, or not. https://twitter.com/LaloDagach/status/976892290659647488 (twitter.com/_/status/976893064836009984)
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@dreid Where are all the IndieWeb will save the world takes? (twitter.com/_/status/976901973512306688)
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@Ipstenu @cleverdevil There are people who don’t actually have other viable, maintainable alternatives in order to communicate with family :/ Which is insane, but April Glaser was right on this one. IndieWeb hasn’t caught up to where it’s doable for everyone. (twitter.com/_/status/976910221854498816)
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@cleverdevil @Ipstenu I agree that IndieWeb isn’t there yet, but there are PLENTY of viable alternatives for communication with family. Email. Google / Yahoo Groups. iMessage, Signal, SMS. A whole slew of other apps and services. The problem is friction. (twitter.com/_/status/976910982504005632)
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tantek good afternoon #indieweb
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cweiske http://fotos.cweiske.de/screenshots/2018/2018-03-22%20cweiske%20comment%20rendering%20demo.png
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cweiske now I've at least got the layout to render comments on my blog
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cweiske I always had the feeling that this was what was holding me back
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[jeremycherfas] I think it was Known.cloud
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chrisaldrich skippy: Hopefully that WithKnown instance is working well enough. It's been a while since I've cleaned out some of the spam or upgraded to master, but welcome!
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cweiske tantek, https://indieweb.org/comments#How_to_markup - why all the "u-" instead of "p-"?
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tantek cweiske: good FAQ - we should make that clearer
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cweiske "The u- prefix on the "comment" property works to get the u-url from inside the h-cite"
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tantek yes
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cweiske I don't understand that sentence
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tantek which part? perhaps we can rewrite it
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cweiske http://microformats.org/wiki/microformats2-prefixes says: " "u-*" for URL properties, e.g. "u-url", "u-photo", "u-logo" "
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Loqi microformats 2 prefix conventions
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cweiske I don't see that the comment is an url
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tantek all indieweb comments are urls
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tantek permalinks with their own markup etc. per /reply
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tantek this is more #indieweb-dev though
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@benwerd One of my pillars is also digital sovereignty. Anyone who cares about independence and control needs to get out ahead of fascists and racists co-opting the movement - asap. #decentralized #indieweb #iiw https://twitter.com/maxwelltani/status/976926310445584386 (twitter.com/_/status/976936473025921024)
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@tistre @huby RSS still works pretty well for me, but the #IndieWeb movement is working on a lot of interesting alternatives. Here’s a couple of IndieWeb quotes and resources I collected in 2013: https://www.strehle.de/tim/weblog/archives/2013/08/21/1641 (twitter.com/_/status/976945079691735040)
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aaronpk 2013!
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@kaushalmodi Learning about Webmentions (https://indieweb.org/Webmention).. figured out how to add rel="me" links to my site.. but really confused with what's next.. what do I do next so that Webmentions can completely replace the Disqus based commenting for my blog? (twitter.com/_/status/976946679504130050)
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@ChrisAldrich @kaushalmodi I know that @_dgoldsmith has gotten Webmention working with Hugo before, presuming that's what you're building on top of. https://chat.indieweb.org/ is also a good place to ask. (twitter.com/_/status/976954027744415744)
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@kaushalmodi @ChrisAldrich @_dgoldsmith That's correct. I am reading through https://ascraeus.org/embracing-the-indieweb/#webmentions, but I still cannot put the pieces together.. "What do I need to bake into my site, so that people can reply without having to write whole reply blog posts?". I'll check out that chat link too. Thanks. (twitter.com/_/status/976955218347941888)
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KartikPrabhu yeah that's not gonna work ^
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kaushalmodi @KartikPrabhu I didn't follow.. what won't work? How do people send 1-2 line comments to other blogs using Webmention?
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[kevinmarks] They write notes. Or you install brid.gy and they tweet
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gRegorLove Welcome, kaushalmodi!
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gRegorLove For indieweb-to-indieweb comments, we post a note on our site with some specific microformats ("in-reply-to") then send a webmention to the URL we are replying to.
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chrisaldrich kaushalmodi, yes, may folks have brid.gy accounts and connect their social media accounts which brid.gy proxy's webmentions on their behalf.
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chrisaldrich s/may/many
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gRegorLove Another tool is Bridgy, which serves as a bridge and will send webmentions for replies people post on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, others
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gRegorLove kaushalmodi: Do you have a domain set up where you can publish a note?
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chrisaldrich I've documented a portion of it for how I set a piece up on my site here: http://boffosocko.com/2017/04/15/mentions-from-twitter-to-my-website/
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich] @Mentions from Twitter to My Website
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gRegorLove Quotation marks are optional around rel=me btw
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gRegorLove Though encouraged. :)
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chrisaldrich TIL today... who knew?
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chrisaldrich What is Hugo?
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Loqi Hugo is a static site generator written in Go https://indieweb.org/Hugo
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chrisaldrich kaushalmodi that should have some additional documentation and examples ^^
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gRegorLove Looks like you're using webmention.io. Let me try sending you a webmention. We can confirm it was received at least, then work on how to display them.
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gRegorLove Worked! Here's webmention.io's representation of the webmention I sent you: https://webmention.io/api/mentions?target=https://scripter.co/git-diff-minified-js-and-css/
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gRegorLove I'm less familiar with displaying webmentions on static sites, but you could use https://indieweb.org/webmention.herokuapp.com
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[kevinmarks] There was some photos for that earlier today
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[kevinmarks] https://twitter.com/jobsonnentag/status/976810100244480001?s=19
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@jobsonnentag @andrea @Blot__ @kevinmarks @desparoz Hey Andrea. Here’s a whole template for single entries, so you can see it in context (if you need) - https://cl.ly/2d1e091d380M. Are you using http://webmention.io? I don’t think what he wrote for me will work without using that. (twitter.com/_/status/976810100244480001)
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kaushalmodi @gRegorLove Thanks for the test mention. I already tried that heroku app. but looks like they are already maxed out at 150 users.
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kaushalmodi @chrisaldrich I'll have a look at your blog post, and work in this more tomorrow. thanks everyone.
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gRegorLove The jQuery snippet on webmention.io for showing all mentions should work as well
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gRegorLove Glad to help. Come by any time with questions. :)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "And some of these crazy cats are known as the #IndieWeb! https://indieweb.org" by ChrisAldrich on 2018-03-22 https://medium.com/@chrisaldrich/and-some-of-these-crazy-cats-are-known-as-the-indieweb-https-indieweb-org-38421e6074e2?source=rss-------1
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Loqi [superfeedr] "@Jorge_Romeo I've written a short intro to some of the pieces if you can't wait: http://boffosocko.com/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-03-22 http://stream.boffosocko.com/2018/jorge_romeo-ive-written-a-short-intro-to-some-of-the
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@ChrisAldrich @Jorge_Romeo I've written a short intro to some of the pieces if you can't wait: http://boffosocko.com/2017/07/28/an-introduction-to-the-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/976970510985777152)
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