#indieweb 2018-03-24

2018-03-24 UTC
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Loqi [indienews] New post: "Managing Content Through Canonical Links" https://readwriterespond.com/2018/03/managing-content-through-canonical-links/
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Kimberly Hirsh" by Kimberly Hirsh on 2018-03-24 http://kimberlyhirsh.com/3924-2/
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tantek I think this thread wins the #DeleteFacebook meme this week: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/977211923719598086
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@elonmusk @serdarsprofile @brianacton I didn’t realize there was one. Will do. (twitter.com/_/status/977211923719598086)
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tantek silo-quit << https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/977211923719598086
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/977211923719598086" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits
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tantek silo-quit << https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/977217618649137152
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/977217618649137152" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits
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tantek silo-quit << https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/977217884526067712
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Loqi ok, I added "https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/977217884526067712" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits
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tantek aww Loqi didn't add the images
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tantek ^^^ aaronpk
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tantek https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/977217618649137152
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@RMac18 @elonmusk @Bryson_M @serdarsprofile @brianacton yasssssssss https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DY_GPRNU8AAydlC.png (twitter.com/_/status/977217618649137152)
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tantek https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/977217884526067712
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@RMac18 @elonmusk @Bryson_M @serdarsprofile @brianacton slayyyyyyyy https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DY_GexpVMAM2FKR.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/977217884526067712)
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tantek [kevinmarks] - just made the connection that @Fchollet is "an artificial intelligence researcher at Google" - no wonder he concluded "Google good".
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tantek https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/22/17152660/facebook-politics-artificial-intelligence-algorithms
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tantek algorithmic feed << 2018-03-22 The Verge: [https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/22/17152660/facebook-politics-artificial-intelligence-algorithms If Facebook controls your mind, so do a lot of other tech companies] <blockquote>… François Chollet, an artificial intelligence researcher at Google… <br/><br/>… Chollet argues that Facebook is capable of “mass population control”… because our lives are increasingly lived online, a
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-03-22 The Verge: [https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/22/17152660/facebook-politics-artificial-intelligence-algorithms If Facebook controls your mind, so do a lot of other tech companies] <blockquote>… François Chollet, an artificial intelligence researcher at Google… <br/><br/>… Chollet argues that Facebook is capable of “mass population control”… because our lives are increasingly lived online, a" to the "See Also" section of /algorithmic_feed
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tantek that gives Facebook massive power to guide what we see.</blockquote>
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Kimberly Hirsh" by Kimberly Hirsh on 2018-03-24 http://kimberlyhirsh.com/3934-2/
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@unoabraham IndieWeb Goals https://ift.tt/2G6Ma94 (twitter.com/_/status/977379803983699968)
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@angsuman Publish on Your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/977398461933875201)
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[jeremycherfas] !tell skippy And of course some hosts provide excellent stats from their management panel, which is a halfway house. I like what I get from Dreamhost.
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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@vorticalbox Publish on Your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indieweb.org/POSSE #HackerNews #TechnologyNews (twitter.com/_/status/977442405669638144)
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[kevinmarks] http://blogs.harvard.edu/doc/2018/03/23/nothing/
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Loqi Facebook’s Cambridge Analytica problems are nothing compared to what’s coming for all of online publishing
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@hn_frontpage Publish on Your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere L: https://indieweb.org/POSSE C: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16663850 (twitter.com/_/status/977454949918494720)
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@FrontPageHN Publish on Your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indieweb.org/POSSE (cmts https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16663850) (twitter.com/_/status/977455088737357824)
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@hacker_news_hir Publish on Your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere : https://indieweb.org/POSSE Comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16663850 (twitter.com/_/status/977456238698156032)
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@bprogramming2 Publish on Your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://www.reddit.com/r/bprogramming/comments/86rr6c/publish_on_your_own_site_syndicate_elsewhere/ https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/977456929785155584)
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@HNTweets Publish on Your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere: https://indieweb.org/POSSE Comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16663850 (twitter.com/_/status/977457499963043840)
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[kevinmarks] https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/23/people-owned-web-tech-giants-facebook-cambridge-analytica?__twitter_impression=true
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@SecurityJar Publish on Your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indieweb.org/POSSE?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (twitter.com/_/status/977464998048903168)
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@HackerGoodNews Publish on Your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/977470907189997568)
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@sl007 @Hirnwindungen @Peter_Schaar @anked @SWR2 Dann komm doch im Mai mal übern Rhein : https://indieweb.org/2018/Düsseldorf / https://indieweb.org/events (twitter.com/_/status/977475541627555841)
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@nkoleszar Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere. Hmmm... this looks good https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/977480068334325760)
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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sebsel Morning Zegnat :)
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@cswordpress An Introduction to the Indieweb for Non-technical people: https://buff.ly/2DOOJuo (twitter.com/_/status/977496495506239488)
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@newsyc20 Publish on Your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indieweb.org/POSSE (http://bit.ly/2DPLOS8) (twitter.com/_/status/977500272753815553)
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Zegnat Should we start a block list for HN retweet bots?
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@davy_duboy ◼️ [#Wordpress] Publish on Your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere #CMS via http://Indieweb.org https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/977504055265255424)
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@mhumph POSSE - IndieWeb https://buff.ly/2GlZJon (twitter.com/_/status/977512605119107072)
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@newsyc50 Publish on Your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indieweb.org/POSSE (http://bit.ly/2DPLOS8) (twitter.com/_/status/977520529564413952)
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@betterhn50 51 – Publish on Your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/977522511150768130)
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@parltrack many people ask what can they use instead of facebook to stay in the loop: https://indieweb.org/POSSE sounds like a good approach (twitter.com/_/status/977525261137739778)
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@hackernewsrobot Publish on Your Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere https://indieweb.org/POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/977529536995844096)
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@GregoireMolveau https://indieweb.org/POSSE Publish (on your) Own Site, Syndicate Elsewhere, a content publishing model that starts with posting content on your own domain first, then syndicating out copies to 3rd party services with permashortlinks back to the original on your site. #POSSE (twitter.com/_/status/977534495938220032)
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[kim_landwehr] Hello all
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KartikPrabhu hi
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skippy hi there.
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Loqi skippy: [jeremycherfas] left you a message 9 hours, 31 minutes ago: And of course some hosts provide excellent stats from their management panel, which is a halfway house. I like what I get from Dreamhost.
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petermolnar out of curiosity, I dug up Macromedia DreamWeaver MX 2004 - when you create a new site, it asked you for FTP (or something similar, say, a network drive). Once you made your changes, you had to press a single element from the menu to publish. This thing still works better, than a lot of tools today.
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petermolnar it's intense to see how incredibly limited CSS was in 2004
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skippy plaintext unstyled web 4eva!
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sknebel I recently found my first web-dev book again
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sknebel lots of talk of these fancy new "layers" (<div>) and how sadly not all browser support them yet
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dgold skippy: I used to agree, I even wrote a brutalist theme for Hugo
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dgold but, seriously, come on! Its just _awful_
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skippy dgold: https://github.com/skpy/hugo-themes
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Loqi [skpy] hugo-themes: Hugo themes
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skippy i've since added back a bit of styling, based on https://bestmotherfucking.website/
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dgold skippy: but you're using centring and all sorts of fancy stuff!
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dgold http://christoph-knoth.com <-- HARD CORE Brutalist
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skippy yup. thats what mine used to look like before i added back in those 4 lines of <style>
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skippy i'm tempted to stop even generating HTML and just let Caddy render my raw Markdown on the fly https://caddyserver.com/docs/markdown
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skippy but then i'd lose RSS, unless I cobbled a feed page together.
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skippy of course, I have no idea how many people read my feed, anyway. Nor do I know how often people use the pagination links to older or new content. *shrug*
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Zegnat I was looking at XSL a bit. See if I could offer only an ATOM feed and have the browser render it as HTML. So would only need the one file.
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dgold skippy: having a feed is a mitzvah. its a bit of the open web
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skippy parse error. what does that mean?
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dgold its a good thing in and of itself
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dgold feeds are a huge part of the open web we all once had. losing feeds is limiting the web
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dgold i wrote my history/philosophy of the issue here: https://ascraeus.org/page/feeds/
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Loqi Feeds
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dgold (looking at that again, in the light of recent political developments, I am totes prescient)
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dgold skippy: fwiw, as someone with visual issues, hard white backgrounds mean I can't really read skippy.net
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skippy interesting. i suspect my site is a pain for screen readers, too, since there are no top-loaded nav controls.
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dgold i have very bad floaters (head injury)
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dgold so a hard white/black webpage is just a mush of blurry blobs
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dgold and I agree with almost everything said on that best&c website page, apart from the #fff background, which is just unpleasant (for _me_)
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dgold even the contrastrebellion site he links as support doesn't go fff/000
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skippy it's a challenge issue to address, globally. Arguably you'd be better served by using a local stylesheet on your browser(s) to define the color scheme that best works for you.
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petermolnar if you really, really miss the pre-2004 designs, here's a theme for bootstrap: http://code.divshot.com/geo-bootstrap/
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sebsel lol @ .btn-primary
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dgold skippy: that's making demands of visually-impaired readers that aren't made of non-impaired readers
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dgold its a presumption that defaults to the mean, on one level, and then presupposes a technical skill and ability
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KartikPrabhu dgold: I doubt if there is one recommendation that works for all visually-impaired readers, is there?
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dgold KartikPrabhu: I very much doubt it -- once you've met one visually impaired user, you've met one visually impaired user
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KartikPrabhu dgold: yes I agree. How would a website then ensure that it does work for all users? that seems like a impossible thing to achiece
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dgold the recommendation is that the fg:bg contrast ratio should be (at a minimum) 7:1
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skippy that was my comment above: there is no global solution that will satisfy all possible impairments. Yes, it sucks that i'm asking you to solve it locally for yourself, but i dont know what else i can do.
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dgold but the 7:1 ratio actually works out pretty well for most people with (e.g.) dyslexic issues, other visual impairments
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dgold a pure 21:1 ratio (like 000:fff) is seriously bad for dyslexics, in particular
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KartikPrabhu dgold: yes I have seen that in some a11y recommedations
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dgold istr (but I don't have a guide in front of me, apologes) that something around 15:1 is the _maximum_ which should be used, as anything greater than that leads to artifacting in the brains of people with dyslexic/OVI issues
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KartikPrabhu I think I have some meta data text with 3.4 contrast but not sure if it s a problem as I have not actually tested it
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dgold skippy: i wasn't critiquing _you_, rahter than that best&c page
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dgold it isn't the 'best motherfucking site' - its only that for a particular subset of readers, the greater part of all readers, certainly, but _still_ a subset, and one which contains the writer
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dgold which is both normative and prescriptive for that normative class
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[snarfed] paging [kevinmarks], he'll definitely have opinions on this too
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[kevinmarks] That's not true
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[kevinmarks] Read my essay
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[kevinmarks] But also, look at the actual research
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[kevinmarks] The contrast measurement used is very crude and ignores ambient light. It was defined in the CRT era
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[kevinmarks] If you want to reduce contrast, leave the black alone and tweak the white
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[kevinmarks] https://kevinmarks.github.io/textsamples.html
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[kevinmarks] The essay https://medium.com/backchannel/how-the-web-became-unreadable-a781ddc711b6
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[kevinmarks] It's on wired too, but that's paywalled
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dgold [kevinmarks]: I enjoyed that article, I've read it a few times
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dgold but, again, the coda of BLACK & WHITE isn't useful for me, with visual interference patterns & dyslexia
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dgold just as no contrast is shitty for you, too much contrast is shitty for me
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[cleverdevil] Good afternoon IndieWeb!
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[cleverdevil] Just published this - https://github.com/cleverdevil/PhotoIndex - for Known users.
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Loqi [cleverdevil] PhotoIndex: Plugin for Known that creates an Instagram-inspired photo index page on your website.
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[cleverdevil] FYI, I will be in San Francisco on Monday-Wednesday, with some availability if anyone wants to get together.
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aaronpk no pun intended
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[cleverdevil] 😄
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GWG Why does no Indiewebber ever visit New York?
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[cleverdevil] I should make it that way this year, I am guessing.
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Loqi yea
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GWG [cleverdevil]: I live near the airports
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GWG Except Newark
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[kevinmarks] [dgold] read the research that I linked. What helps is adjusting your screen brightness, or a custom browser adjustment. Making black grey is much less useful than making white beige (and it varies enough for individuals that trying to fix it at source is hard)
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