#indieweb 2018-03-27

2018-03-27 UTC
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Loqi [superfeedr] "The IndieWeb has been compiling a list of silo-quits. If you know of anyone who has quit Facebook, feel free to either add them to the wiki or comment below with a note. #DeleteFacebook" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-03-27 http://boffosocko.com/2018/03/26/silo-quits-for-deletefacebook/
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@ChrisAldrich The #IndieWeb has been compiling a list of silo-quits. If you know of anyone who has quit Facebook, feel free to either add them to the wiki or comment below with a note. #DeleteFacebook http://boffosocko.com/2018/03/26/silo-quits-for-deletefacebook/ (twitter.com/_/status/978422021087375360)
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gRegorLove Nice featured image on that post, chrisaldrich
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chrisaldrich I just got it in the mail yesterday, it's the cover of The Economist this week..
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chrisaldrich Speaking of which...
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chrisaldrich What is FAANG?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "FAANG" yet. Would you like to create it?_ (Or just say "FAANG is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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gRegorLove what is finsta?
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Loqi finsta is a portmanteau of fake and Instagram, a typically private pseudonym account that only a few close friends follow, and used to post more informally and frequently, without any of the typical Instagram posting conventions; as few IndieWeb are private, this may be worth exploring https://indieweb.org/finsta
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gRegorLove what is insta?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "insta" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "insta is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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chrisaldrich I'd seen acronyms for Apple, Amazon, Facebook, Google, and other similar conglomerates of /silos before, but saw a reference to FAANG as a shorthand for Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix, and Google as a group.
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KartikPrabhu insta is not a portmateau
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gRegorLove insta is /Instagram
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Loqi ok
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@dckc @boscolochris I hold the keys to my domain, http://madmode.com. #IndieWeb. (twitter.com/_/status/978430547277107201)
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tantek dckc++
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Loqi dckc has 1 karma
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@sdepolo What do you think about #searchlove? What personal responsibility can we take via #indieweb for the #AlgorithmEcono… https://www.pscp.tv/w/bYmVIjFkdkVPUm1HTWxqWGV8MUJkR1lSZHZud1hKWAk16S1FMedUsBOxghDyv53qXwvjILxa4IqOF96oOZpf (twitter.com/_/status/978442957844959232)
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@unoabraham Listening; An IndieWeb Podcast Episode 0 http://zpr.io/nygGV (twitter.com/_/status/978455366907330565)
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kaushalmodi If you use Netlify to deploy your static site, and use webmention.io, add Zapier to the mix, and then webmention.io -> webhook -> Zapier -> Send Email (optional) & POST Netlify build URL -> Your static site updates!
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kaushalmodi So now the delay between receiving a new webmention and seeing it updated on your *static* site is just about a minute for the whole trip.. Hey Hugo user here :D
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tantek not bad!
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@kaushalmodi @buhakmeh @biilmann @GoHugoIO @zapier @Netlify The meta data like author, post title, post content, etc. is auto-parsed as I am using Microformats2 HTML classes to wrap my post content.. Check out https://indieweb.org/Webmention and #indieweb IRC for more. I can answer the questions too.. as much as I know :) (twitter.com/_/status/978465253989199872)
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@xtof_party Bricolage indieweb : OwnYourGram: http://microblog.ducamp.me/2018/03/27/bricolage-indieweb-ownyourgram.html (twitter.com/_/status/978467143686742016)
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@cbfishes @ChrisAldrich @SchumakerA ... And seriously, I can help you get set up! I'm super new to the Indieweb as well, but I know my way around web stuff and some code. Really with a few WP plugins you're most of the way there (twitter.com/_/status/978476944315633664)
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[aaronpk] [sdepolo] agh sorry I didn't see this! Wasn't available tonight but I can arrange something tomorrow!
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tantek interesting - benwerd IG quit with tombstone
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tantek -> https://www.instagram.com/p/BgzsAZQltSQ/?taken-by=ben.werdmuller
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Loqi This is my final Instagram post. If you want to continue to see my photos, please keep in touch at werd.io. I will not participate in this. https://scontent-ort2-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/2398aa06ba50203bd4ed9d504507744f/5B4F7F43/t51.2885-15/e35/29094542_1559532574095288_2096487628688850944_n.jpg
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tantek silo-quits << 2018-03-26 {{benwerd}} quit [[Instagram]] and left a final post in place: https://www.instagram.com/p/BgzsAZQltSQ/?taken-by=ben.werdmuller
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Loqi ok, I added "2018-03-26 {{benwerd}} quit [[Instagram]] and left a final post in place: https://www.instagram.com/p/BgzsAZQltSQ/?taken-by=ben.werdmuller" to the "See Also" section of /silo-quits
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Loqi This is my final Instagram post. If you want to continue to see my photos, please keep in touch at werd.io. I will not participate in this. https://scontent-ort2-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/2398aa06ba50203bd4ed9d504507744f/5B4F7F43/t51.2885-15/e35/29094542_1559532574095288_2096487628688850944_n.jpg
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Zegnat Good morning IndieWeb
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@jackysee Dear IndieWeb, it may be time to start considering the user, not just the technical spec., posted March 18, 2018 https://eli.li/entry.php?id=20180318015703 (twitter.com/_/status/978515695980941312)
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@iyouport_news 🔐Tepples suggests "the so-called IndieWeb stack using the h-entry microformat." He also suggests Diaspora, Ultimately more people need to start hosting family servers to help us get off the cloud craze... NethServer is a pretty decent CentOS based option." https://twitter.com/iyouport_news/status/978520907172929536 (twitter.com/_/status/978521011493658624)
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cweiske http://scripting.com/2018/03/26/145515.html
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cweiske sounds like microsub
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cweiske Loqi, why u show no title?
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chrisaldrich It does sound a bit like microsub. I'm guessing that one of the apps might be Brent Simmons' Evergreen? Curious what the other is.
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@ciudadanoB Si piensas que tu contenido debe ser tuyo y que tener el control es fundamental, esto te interesa → ¿Qué es la IndieWeb? https://ciudadanob.com/blog/2018/03/27/que-es-la-indieweb/ (twitter.com/_/status/978550546410999809)
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[kevinmarks] No title because winer doesn't do microformats
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cweiske the page has a <title>
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Zegnat XRay doesn’t do <title>. Nor OpenGraph, which that page also has
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cweiske so it has custom handling for a) twitter, b) github and c) mf2
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Zegnat XRay (and Loqi by extension) can tell you about Facebook, GitHub, mf2, HN, Instagram, Twitter, and XKCD
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Zegnat My fork also knows YouTube
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Zegnat What is XRay?
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Loqi XRay is an open source API that returns structured data for a URL by parsing microformats and following other indieweb algorithms, and is part of the p3k suite of applications https://indieweb.org/XRay
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petermolnar Zegnat: did you make a pull request from that?
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Zegnat petermolnar, what? YouTube support for XRay? It isn’t a PR, because it is unpolished, but it is publicly accessible in my fork.
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jeremycherfas Good morning IndieWeb
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jeremycherfas !tell zegnat Who determines the content of the message I get when I join the IRC? I ask because Next Events is showing 2018-03-21
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Zegnat jeremycherfas, anyone can update the channel topic, I believe!
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Zegnat But good catch, let me update the URL right now
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jeremycherfas Too much responsibility! I never did understand how /next works in any case. I was just wondering whether there is a vHWC tomorrow
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Zegnat Next events: Homebrew Website Club Meetup https://indieweb.org/events/2018-03-27-homebrew-website-club and IWC Düsseldorf! https://indieweb.org/2018/Düsseldorf. Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
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Zegnat Not yet planned, I keep dragging my feet and not sending out a planning to people! I would really like to start going regular with vHWC again when I know a timeslot that fits people
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jeremycherfas No, that's a good reason to drag feet. It would be good to have a time that suits as many people as possible.
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Zegnat But if you have a time you are available at, do invite some people in! The Mumble server is open!
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Zegnat You do not actually need me to organise a get together ;)
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jeremycherfas I might just do that ...
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[unoabraham] [chrisaldrich] [dshanske] Webmention not working on both your sites. Tried to ping https://abraham.uno/909/listening-an-indieweb-podcast-episode-0/.
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[pfefferle] have you enabled pings for this post?
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[unoabraham] Yes, pingbacks and trackbacks and also comments are enabled.
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cweiske [unoabraham], I send you a ping
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cweiske it has been sent successfully
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cweiske s/send/sent/
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[unoabraham] Got it. Was in spam, but got it.
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[unoabraham] BTW, [dshanske] site loads an empty page, [chrisaldrich] gives a fatal error.
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sknebel when? I tried sending a WM from your post to them right now, both merely reported that they've already received one for your post
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[unoabraham] Getting blank page and error message right now.
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[unoabraham] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F9XHZJCNA/image.png?pub_secret=9a82b47c65&name=image.png
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[unoabraham] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F9WN928RG/image.png?pub_secret=bd94a97ee7&name=image.png
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cweiske [unoabraham], you're opening the endpoint in your browser? a normal GET request?
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[unoabraham] Submitting Webmention link via Chrome, from desktop PC, Windows 10.
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cweiske but how do you submit it?
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cweiske what steps do you take?
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[unoabraham] Not sure I understand what "endpoint" means in this context.
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cweiske the URL
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cweiske the URL visible in your screenshtos
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cweiske that's the webmention endpoint
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[unoabraham] I go to the specific posts where the podcasts are, and submit the Webmention at the end below the comments section.
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[unoabraham] I insert my URL.
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[unoabraham] http://boffosocko.com/2018/03/19/an-indieweb-podcast-episode-0-considering-the-user/
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich] An IndieWeb Podcast: Episode 0 “Considering the User”
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[unoabraham] https://david.shanske.com/2018/03/18/an-indieweb-podcast-episode-0/
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Loqi [David Shanske] An Indieweb Podcast Episode 0
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cweiske ah ok, now I can reproduce the issue
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[unoabraham] Do you want me to try from another browser? I have Firefox and Edge Browser.
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cweiske no
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cweiske that would not change a bit
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[unoabraham] Okay.
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@la_GISteria @ciudadanoB Ahora los que tenemos una web propia tenemos una indieweb? (twitter.com/_/status/978610289179615232)
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GWG I moderate webmentions
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GWG What fatal error?
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[unoabraham] https://indiewebcamp.slack.com/messages/C03QR2B4R/
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[unoabraham] That one. But only Chris' site.
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cweiske GWG, go to https://david.shanske.com/2018/03/18/an-indieweb-podcast-episode-0/, scroll down to "ping me", enter "https://david.shanske.com/2018/03/18/an-indieweb-podcast-episode-0/" and click "ping me'
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Loqi [David Shanske] An Indieweb Podcast Episode 0
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[unoabraham] https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-F9WNQQ4CA/image.png?pub_secret=32e5385e96&name=image.png
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[unoabraham] Done.
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@sl007 @EllenLWeintraub @bph @FEC @facebook @Google @Twitter @jack Funny. June 26 - June 27 is also https://indieweb.org/2018 in Portland. This is where the good guys meet to care for an independent web. They talk very friendly with each other about a people-focused alternative to the "corporate web". (twitter.com/_/status/978615739568607233)
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aaronpk I intentionally didn't add support for <title> since that tag often has extra stuff in it like the site name
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aaronpk i've considered adding ogp/twitter metadata support, but not totally sure I want to
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cweiske no you don't
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j4y_funabashi .
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cweiske :
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[kevinmarks] I should do a version of my page with all the metadata methods that explains where the preview is from
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tantek [kevinmarks] I'd like to figure out a way to detect each of their crawlers/bots and conditionally only serve their proprietary metacrap to each of them in particular, and have it direct people to view the original on my site.
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sknebel they probably are fairly nice about announcing themselves. e.g. I know Twitter has useragent "Twitterbot"
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tantek what is Twitterbot
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Twitterbot" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Twitterbot is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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@HongPong @punksandwitch Check out software alternatives like #activitypub protocol powered #mastodon. Check http://indieweb.org . It's more strategic to use a POSSE strategy, to make Twitter into a side system instead of the foundation of comms efforts (twitter.com/_/status/978668981086191616)
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[cleverdevil] Overnight, mapkyca added support for multi-photo posts to Known.
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[cleverdevil] Very cool stuff!
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tantek whoa awesome
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tantek what is multiphoto
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Loqi A multi-photo is like a photo post, except just with multiple adjacent photos, either in a series, or tiled / arranged in some layout https://indieweb.org/multiphoto
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[cleverdevil] I added support for it to my PhotoIndex plugin and my new "overview" page as well.
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tantek [cleverdevil]: can you add it https://indieweb.org/multi-photo#Supporting_Services_Projects ?
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tantek especially if there's a link to the version / announcement / how it works
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[cleverdevil] Sure.
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snarfed anyone tried mozilla's new "facebook container" browser extension? https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2018/03/27/facebook-container-add-on/
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Loqi Being Open and Connected on Your Own Terms with our New Facebook Container Add-On
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tantek I have to admit it's the first I have heard of it
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tantek so I guess I should install it
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gRegorLove Good morning, indieweb. o/
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snarfed ah ok, looks pretty simple. just automatically loads facebook pages in a container tab. and then loads non-facebook links outside that container tab.
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snarfed good evangelism for a good existing feature
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[kevinmarks] so the fb tracking iframes become isolated too?
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skippy how does Privacy Badger compare? I've been using that very happily for some time. https://www.eff.org/privacybadger
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snarfed [kevinmarks]: i think fb iframes just break. skippy, no clue
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Fatal Error with WP_Error as array in Webmention Form" by Chris Aldrich on 2018-03-27 http://boffosocko.com/2018/03/27/issue-fatal-error-with-wp_error-as-array-in-webmention-form/
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tantek installed https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/facebook-container/ and trying it out cc: snarfed
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@jackyalcine No lie, the IndieWeb is _such_ a great idea. There just isn't enough tooling to make it easy nor is there an "agreed upon" practice to make it something more feasible. ALLL of the things for a blog post. (twitter.com/_/status/978694786285580294)
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tantek hmm not sure about the latter assertion
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tantek with all the reader stuff working now, it feels like we might at or near sufficient "agreed upon" practices to make it all feasible
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skippy there's not quite enough off-the-shelf consumable solutions yet. still too much "box of parts you need to assemble yourself" for casual adoption.
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tantek skippy, indeed
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tantek Known was getting there ("off-the-shelf consumable solution") but kinda stalled when it went towards an edu focus instead
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tantek hoping to see that revitalized soon
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tantek closest we have for "casual adoption" now is micro.blog
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aaronpk i finally feel like we have enough pieces working together where someone *can* come in and build an off-the-shelf solution that works with everyone's home-grown solutions as well
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tantek yeah
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tantek going to #indieweb-dev to mention areas/pieces that may need more development
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sebsel I've got a use case for a private feed btw.
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sebsel I like Swarm and I like OwnYourSwarm, but I'm hesitant to post a lot because I know they will show up as public posts on my site.
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sebsel Swarm itself isn't public either
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sebsel So since aaronpk already has access to Swarm, it wouldn't hurt to turn them into a private feed and test private feeds that way.
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sebsel Then he can mute me afterwards if he don't want to see them :P
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sebsel to Swarm > my Swarm / he follows me
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aaronpk would that be something where you'd create the private feed on your site from the ownyourswarm posts?
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sebsel Yes, so all OwnYourSwarm checkins would be private.
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aaronpk cool
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sebsel Or maybe even all my checkins?
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sebsel But that part is up for me to decide, right? I control what makes a post private or public.
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aaronpk yep
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sebsel But this is a good thing I actually want to use :
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sebsel :)
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Loqi [superfeedr] "Citizenship" by Khürt Williams on 2018-03-27 https://tracking.feedpress.it/link/1771/8682993
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[cleverdevil] Was talking to a coworker about Facebook alternatives and a few things came up.
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[cleverdevil] One of which was - https://groups.io
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[cleverdevil] The other was: http://www.textile.photos
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[cleverdevil] Which is super interesting.
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[cleverdevil] http://fb.textile.photos
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skippy groups looks interesting.
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