#indieweb 2018-05-05

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[miklb] So, Drafts 5 just added full Twitter API support and an action that will break up a note and tweet it for you (tweetstorm). Betting I can shoehorn an action to post the full note to my WP site with a syndication link to the storm. 🤔
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tantek wow that would be cool!
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@cleverdevil Fogknife : I believe in the IndieWeb. It needs to believe in itself. (7 minute read): http://fogknife.com/2018-05-04-i-believe-in-the-indieweb-it-needs-to-believe-in-itself.html (twitter.com/_/status/992568653844484097)
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@natecull ↩️ I've been on Mastodon for over a year, surrounded by alt-web types, and have heard *zero* mention of IndieWeb or Webmention. I've heard active discussions of ActivityPub, the Fediverse, Scuttlebutt, blockchains, Diaspora, Xanadu, even *Gopher*. Indieweb? Not a word. (twitter.com/_/status/992581548938477570)
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@natecull ↩️ I've never heard of IndieWeb. Are they on the Fediverse? They should probably think about talking to the Fediverse types if they want an audience. And by Fediverse I mostly mean Mastodon, because it's usable. (twitter.com/_/status/992582414307229698)
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aaronpk #filterbubble
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @natecull @zarfeblong I've been talking to Eugen and lots of fediverse people about indieweb for years (twitter.com/_/status/992583827880075264)
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aaronpk So easy to hate on people on Twitter. Too bad they didn't post that from their own website or at least their own mastodon.
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jmac I... don't see any hate here, honestly
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jmac I do see people voicing opinions that they'd probably be a little surprised to learn an IRC bot is picking up on, but still. :)
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jmac I'm unironically pleased that my post is making people check this stuff out, even if their initial stance is utter bafflement! (ymmv and all that)
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@aaronpk ↩️ LOL I've never even seen that paragraph and it took me a really long time to find it. Also note that was written in 2013 when that was pretty much true. Feel free to update it, it's a wiki after all. https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ&diff=5788&oldid=5553 (twitter.com/_/status/992588668803072000)
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[chrisaldrich] Nate does still at least have his own site: http://natecull.org/wordpress/
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[tantek] But somehow not linked from his twitter 🤔
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[tantek] jmac even when indieweb started there were a lot of “experts” saying what everyone should do for the “federated social web”, of course they said these things on silos, or silo email lists, never actually doing much themselves
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[tantek] The lesson learned has been that such “advice” is of very little literal value, and perhaps of some small sociological value post-analysis
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[tantek] [chrisaldrich] that’s a good find, and someone using Wordpress is hopeful
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[tantek] How do you feel about approaching Nate and seeing if he is interested in WordPreas indieweb setup?
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[tantek] And documenting any feedback you receive of course
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[chrisaldrich] I did a bit of outreach on his mastodon account. I'll see what reaction I get and go from there.
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[chrisaldrich] Am I not mistaken that many of the folks directly related to things like oStatus and activity pub are either pro-IndieWeb or at least IndieWeb aware?
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aaronpk Yes and have even been to an indiewebcamp, since we've been having them for so long
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[tantek] To be clear there’s lots to be learned and adopted from Mastodon UX
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[tantek] And in many ways, services like micro.blog have done so, and gone further like the recent IG import
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[tantek] I mean, can you import your IG into Mastodon?
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[tantek] Will hop to #dev for the dev implications
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[chrisaldrich] Manton++ for some nice user support late on a Friday night https://twitter.com/manton2/status/992588647630295040?s=09
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@manton2 @zarfeblong @ChrisAldrich I found a work-around for now: if you add ?alt=rss to end of your feed URL, Blogger will return an RSS feed instead of Atom and it should be handled correctly. You can remove your feed and add the new one under Account → Edit Feeds in http://Micro.blog. (twitter.com/_/status/992588647630295040)
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[chrisaldrich] This interaction also points out the potential need for more work on some of our federation pages for just this type of outreach.
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[chrisaldrich] Has anyone invited Garon et al to the Summit?
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aaronpk [chrisaldrich]: not that I know of but good idea. I'm planning on writing an announcement post this weekend and then I'll have something to send people!
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tantek [chrisaldrich]: do you know how to post an /invitation on Mastodon? ;)
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aaronpk There's always plaintext fallback
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jalcine_ aaronpk: your post on live streaming using nginx + rtmp is very handy
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aaronpk jacky: wow did you do something with that? That was a while ago! I need to actually test that setup again! It's been a while since I used it!
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jacky not yet - I was doing a live stream on twitch of me working on json-ld for c++ (part of a longer project) and was wishing I could just had hosted it on my own instance
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aaronpk Nice
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jacky I don't see me doing that for another quarter tho
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aaronpk Video is still pretty hard
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aaronpk Streaming video that is
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tantek definitely
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jacky yeah - it immediately hits that pricy size, esp if you're going HD
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[eddie] Yeah I really enjoyed aaronpk’s post about that. I’m wanting to set that up eventually on my site too. ESPECIALLY now that I’m leaving Facebook, it would be nice to email people on my newsletter list when I “go live” on my website
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tantek [eddie]: that would be pretty amazing
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tantek what is live
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Loqi https://indieweb.org/live
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tantek what is live video
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "live video" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "live video is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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tantek live video is a feature on some silos (like [[Instagram]]) that allows the user to use their mobile device to broadcast live video to their followers on that silo, optionally saving it for future viewing.
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Loqi ok
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tantek [[eddie]], care to add your "wanting to set that up" brainstorm to indieweb.org/live_video in a new Brainstorming section? even if you just want to copy the text you wrote above
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tantek live video << [[live]] - watch live video from the current [[IndieWebCamp]], or the most recent recording from the most recent IndieWebCamp
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Loqi ok, I added "[[live]] - watch live video from the current [[IndieWebCamp]], or the most recent recording from the most recent IndieWebCamp" to a brand new "See Also" section of /live_video https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=47505&oldid=47504
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[eddie] tantek sounds good, will do!
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tantek manton++ for https://twitter.com/manton2/status/992588647630295040
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@manton2 @zarfeblong @ChrisAldrich I found a work-around for now: if you add ?alt=rss to end of your feed URL, Blogger will return an RSS feed instead of Atom and it should be handled correctly. You can remove your feed and add the new one under Account → Edit Feeds in http://Micro.blog. (twitter.com/_/status/992588647630295040)
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@btconf It is @indiewebcamp day again! Meet us from 9:00 on at our good friends @sipgateDE, Gladbacher Str. 74. – @jkphl brought sunshine from Nuremberg for you! ;) (twitter.com/_/status/992644450127175680)
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@billbennettnz I’ve tried to talk to people about the Indieweb idea, but their eyes glaze over as they reach for their phones to get another quick dopamine hit from pictures of kittens on Facebook… http://fogknife.com/2018-05-04-i-believe-in-the-indieweb-it-needs-to-believe-in-itself.html (twitter.com/_/status/992647061735690243)
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Zegnat Don't we have a cat gif posting site? ^^^
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chrisaldrich I think schmarty was building it as a micropub service earlier this week! :)
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@billbennettnz https://boffosocko.com/2018/05/01/a-pencast-overview-with-audio-and-recorded-visual-diagrams-of-indieweb-technologies/ (twitter.com/_/status/992650725699276800)
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[chrisaldrich] I don't think I've ever seen IndieWeb replies back and forth thread this deep before on WordPress (depending on how they're done, they sometimes don't thread properly at all): http://boffosocko.com/2018/05/01/a-pencast-overview-with-audio-and-recorded-visual-diagrams-of-indieweb-technologies/#comment-50992
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[chrisaldrich] GWG++
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[chrisaldrich] pfefferle++ for indieweb "magic"!
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Is there a YouTube version of this? My Adobe is telling me to install Flash and I don’t really want to do that. Domestic Terminal 2, Lomita Park, California, United States of America
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chrisaldrich The secret seems to be doing the reply to http://boffosocko.com/2018/05/01/a-pencast-overview-with-audio-and-recorded-visual-diagrams-of-indieweb-technologies/?replytocom=50992 instead of the fragment http://boffosocko.com/2018/05/01/a-pencast-overview-with-audio-and-recorded-visual-diagrams-of-indieweb-technologies/#comment-50994 like I might have expected. Clever indeed!
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Loqi [Aaron Parecki] Is there a YouTube version of this? My Adobe is telling me to install Flash and I don’t really want to do that. Domestic Terminal 2, Lomita Park, California, United States of America
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[pfefferle] [chrisaldrich] indieweb magic?
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Zegnat I had some questions about fragments in #dev a day or 2 ago. There still seems to be some problems with parsing fragment-based permalinks
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chrisaldrich I've never seen WP thread webmentions so deep properly. I didn't think it was possible. Sometimes I've gone in and threaded them by hand.
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[pfefferle] Ah I fixed the issue in with the merge into the core plugin... ☺
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@jkphl Kicking-off the @indiewebcamp Düsseldorf 2018 in ~40 minutes. Ready when you are! :) https://twitter.com/btconf/status/992644450127175680 https://t.co/NN6DqyXJ1G (twitter.com/_/status/992665051902414848)
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@derSchepp ↩️ @jkphl @indiewebcamp @calum_ryan @nebu Viel Spaß! Komme Euch vielleicht mal besuchen, heute! (twitter.com/_/status/992665258828460032)
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@jkphl ↩️ @derSchepp @indiewebcamp @calum_ryan @nebu oh ja, bitte! :) (twitter.com/_/status/992666474304229382)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ No, it has verification built in, and some markup conventions to express likes, replies, rsvps etc. https://indieweb.org/Webmention-faq#Why_webmention_instead_of_Trackback (twitter.com/_/status/992667830398128129)
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[chrisaldrich] What is Plerd?
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "Plerd" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "Plerd is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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@nebu ↩️ @derSchepp @jkphl @indiewebcamp @calum_ryan Na klar! Würden uns freuen (twitter.com/_/status/992669663585857536)
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[chrisaldrich] !tell jmac Rather than pick up the original AND the syndicated copies of webmentions for the Bill Bennett comments on your "I believe" piece you could probably parse the original and display something along these lines (as an example): http://boffosocko.com/2018/05/01/a-pencast-overview-with-audio-and-recorded-visual-diagrams-of-indieweb-technologies/#comment-50876 (Though admittedly the micro.blog and twitter copy may not be the easiest/bes
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[chrisaldrich] be able to do this with given their markup and potential lack of u-syndicated-to.)
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Loqi [Chris Aldrich] @cathieleblanc You may be (too generously) confusing me with @jgmac1106 who interviewed you. Perhaps it was in one of your conversations via his site that I saw the reference to your looking for this type of overview though? Syndicated copies to:
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sknebel jkphl kicking of IWC Düsseldorf!
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[chrisaldrich] 👋 from Los Angeles (before heading off to bed). Good luck today!
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sebsel jkphl is showing his personal website, with comments via webmention
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sebsel linking it to GDPR, which will probably a hot topic during this IWC
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sebsel next is svenknebel.de showing his website
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sebsel he wanted to show his new reader, but it broke, so he's aiming for the demo's tomorrow
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Zegnat (that always happens, doesn't it, sknebel? Things break right when you want to show off :-( )
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sebsel he has no pagination on his site, wants to get that to work at some point, with his growing collection of posts
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sebsel next up is andreasnebiker.com
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sebsel wants to set up a blog for his company, that would be a syndication target for people working there. People can then post on their own site and syndicate to the company blog
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sebsel next up is JanSauer.de
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sebsel doesn't really post on his own site at the moment, showing his company's site
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sknebel interested in setting up the coworking space hes often at with a facebook-replacement
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sebsel next up is Sebastian Lasse
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sknebel has nameserver issues with personal homepage
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sknebel looking into activityPub
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sknebel next: steffen aka webgefrickel.de
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sknebel currently trying to figure out what he wants to use his site for
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sebsel has all the indieweb building blocks setup and is available for questions
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sebsel next up MatthiasOtt.com
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sknebel uses site for articles and link collection
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sebsel he wrote a Webmention plugin for CraftCSM
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sebsel but it's for Craft 2, so he needs to rewrite it for Craft 3.
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@jkphl Introduction round at @indiewebcamp Düsseldorf. #btconf https://t.co/YRtIaQDVnY (twitter.com/_/status/992681268348321792)
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sebsel He's thinking about GDPR-proofing his website, hiding information from Twitter interactions
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sebsel next up CalumRyan.com
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sebsel shows his static generated site, of which parts work on PHP (like the webmentions)
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Zegnat In that photo by jkphl, am I right to spot only sknebel and sebsel looking at their laptop screens? Keep the notes coming guys!
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sebsel next up is Eric, yatil.de
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sebsel is unhappy about his Wordpress site, wants something else, but does not have time for anything new
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jmac Yeah this is cool, thanks, note-takers
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Loqi jmac: [chrisaldrich] left you a message 42 minutes ago: Rather than pick up the original AND the syndicated copies of webmentions for the Bill Bennett comments on your "I believe" piece you could probably parse the original and display something along these lines (as an example): http://boffosocko.com/2018/05/01/a-pencast-overview-with-audio-and-recorded-visual-diagrams-of-indieweb-technologies/#comment-50876 (Though admittedly the micro.blog and twitter copy may not be the easiest/bes
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sknebel is going to see what others do and what he likes of that
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sknebel next up is sebsel
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sknebel working on migrating his blog to laravel, since the technical basis of his current one has been giving him trouble
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@andi_weis ↩️ @jkphl @indiewebcamp @btconf https://t.co/7Z2CKZGw41 (twitter.com/_/status/992683264467914752)
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sknebel next up alexander
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sknebel doesn't have a personal site yet
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sknebel runs a public sandstorm server at alice-and-bob.de
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sknebel (correction: has personal site, but only photos now: kulbartsch.de)
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sknebel next Lukas
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sknebel just checking out what we are doing, no website yet
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sebsel more of a reader too, he says :)
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sknebel next up river @ river.cat
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sknebel (cool map display! showing where hes been and his boat has been)
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sknebel wants something like livejournal back, with private posts
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sknebel wants live data from his boat on the page (location, weather, ships in the area, ...)
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[jeremycherfas] Thanks all note takers; Gotta say, this works better in Slack than IRC, for me, because of the photos.
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Loqi [jeremycherfas]: tantek left you a message 15 hours, 32 minutes ago: can you add the questions from http://www.kimlosey.me/2018/05/04/questions-about-webmentions.html to https://indieweb.org/Webmention-faq ? Then we can iteratively respond to them there
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sebsel next up Hakan
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sebsel shows his test-blog at http://editor-page.de/de/
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[jeremycherfas] And a huge thank you to everyone who responded to my last-minute note. You are all stars and a shining example of what makes this group of people so valuable to me.
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sebsel next up is Vlad
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sebsel shows andrijevik.net/trips
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Zegnat Still as jealous of his itineraries as I was the first time I saw them in Düsseldorf
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sebsel Demo's and introductions are done!
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sebsel now filling in cards for a schedule
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Zegnat wonders if anyone will do a mf session
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sebsel Zegnat There will be a building blocks session
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sl007 "web of trust" / "permission layer" session
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sl007 "why do i have a website"
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sl007 "current state of indieweb readers"
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sebsel "GDPR basics"
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sl007 "Group onboarding"
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sl007 "Political Involvement" somehow (mayb to huge and not a session)
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sl007 "activitypub"
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@yatil I’m at IndieWebCamp in Düsseldorf today. I try to tweet from Mastodon from it. https://mastodon.social/@yatil/7370943 (twitter.com/_/status/992691598759743488)
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sl007 "private posts"
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sl007 "CMS"
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sl007 First Sessions :
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sl007 #buildingblocks
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sl007 #activitypub
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sl007 #gdpr
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sl007 #why do i have a website
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sl007 lunch
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sl007 #permissionlayer / #privateposts
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sl007 #grouponboarding
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sl007 #cms
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sl007 #weboftrust
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sl007 #indiereader
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sl007 #politicalparticipation
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@LukasRosenstock I wish everyone at #IndieWebCamp @IndieWebCamp in Düsseldorf today a happy and productive day! Sadly I can't attend this year but hope to see you some other time. @IndieWebCampDE #IndieWeb (twitter.com/_/status/992696554363523072)
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Zegnat #politicalparticipation? Is that yours, sl007?
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://jacky.wtf/weblog/library-jsonld-activitypub/
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[sebsel] it is
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[sebsel] Schedule Dusseldorf 2018 https://files.slack.com/files-pri/T03QR2B2T-FAK12AJ3F/image_uploaded_from_ios.jpg?pub_secret=6bee83a0ae&name=Image uploaded from iOS.jpg
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Zegnat Looking good!
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KooBaa aka Alexander
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[jeremycherfas] Time for a silly question: is this being streamed? Where?
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@sl007 https://indieweb.org/2018/Düsseldorf sessions for today #buildingblocks #activitypub #gdpr #why do i have a website (lunch) #permissionlayer / #privateposts #cms #weboftrust #grouponboarding #indiereader #politicalparticipation (twitter.com/_/status/992700858075942912)
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KooBaa @jeremycherfas No, there is no streaming.
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[jeremycherfas] OK. Thanks for letting me know. Just as well really; I have other things to do.
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@m_ott First session of the #IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf: @HeNeArXn doing a great job to explain the basics of ActivityPub, the protocol behind Mastodon. 👌 (twitter.com/_/status/992703135457185793)
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Zegnat[web] For people reading along from home, note that sessions may be taking notes on the IndieWeb etherpad. The etherpad should use the session's "hashtag" as name. E.g.: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/activitypub
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Zegnat[web] Not sure if everyone there was made aware of it (sknebel, sebsel)?
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sebsel Zegnat[web] I'm at building-blocks, there are not really notes here.
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sebsel We can point people to it for the next session
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Zegnat[web] 👍 please do. Even if nobody is reading along live those will still be archived to the wiki
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Zegnat[web] (Just blame me for demanding people to keep notes 😉)
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sknebel I made an activity pub pad, but lots here was explaining too
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@rivermacleod I successfully arrived at IndieWeb camp Düsseldorf this morning, after an overnight train trip and very little sleep. I managed to not miss the train by about 2 minutes, despite choosing one at 2am so that I would have a day to get ready. The breakfast… https://river.cat/2018/05/arrived-iwc-düsseldorf (twitter.com/_/status/992714962949812224)
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Zegnat[web] Explaining is good. Enough time for building Nd deep dives tomorrow, I would say
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Zegnat[web] s/Nd/and/
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@martijnvdven ↩️ Thankfully the IndieWeb has an entire client for posting animated pictures to your own websites (https://garrulous-smile.glitch.me/) including cure animated kittens! 😉 Example: https://aaronparecki.com/2018/05/01/13/ (twitter.com/_/status/992722301299974145)
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Zegnat Sessions wikified, with links to etherpads: https://indieweb.org/2018/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Sessions
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Zegnat Oh, hmm, not sure why Düsseldorf used the name Sessions rather than Schedule for the page. I just clicked the red link.
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Zegnat (Thanks for the photo of the session grid, sebsel!)
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[sebsel] zegnat++
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Loqi zegnat has 89 karma in this channel (206 overall)
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Zegnat I kinda missed the sassy hashtags for sessions :(
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Loqi aww, cheer up
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[sebsel] We have #why
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Zegnat And also #politicalparticipation :P
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@calum_ryan Next up discussing GDPR principles at #indiewebcamp Düsseldorf (https://calumryan.com/note/1529) (twitter.com/_/status/992728541040205824)
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[sebsel] Hm, we changed up the schedule, sorry Zegnat. I will correct the times
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Zegnat That always happens
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Zegnat Haha
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Zegnat Easy enough to change times though, getting the table done in the first place is the annoying part. And is better done by someone who isn’t at the actual event
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Zegnat just got home from the moose ranch anyway
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@sl007 ↩️ @fiete_stegers @m_ott Nein. Gerade bei https://indieweb.org/2018/Düsseldorf … (twitter.com/_/status/992729637208887301)
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@klandwehr Read my May 5 Newsletter featuring “The Indieweb privacy challenge (Webmentions, silo backfeeds, and the GDPR) …” http://nzzl.us/vld1duX (twitter.com/_/status/992738805001129984)
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@m_ott .@jkphl explaining the six exceptions under which you are allowed to process user data under the #GDPR. 👏 #IndieWebCamp (twitter.com/_/status/992740201343672321)
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Zegnat For people, you can read along on https://etherpad.indieweb.org/gdpr, where sebsel is taking notes! :D
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Zegnat sebsel++
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@m_ott .@jkphl: “If you as a freelance designer or developer are in contact with personal data, you will need a data processing agreement.” #GDPR #IndieWebCamp And this is NOT legal advice (#TINLA), course. 😉 (twitter.com/_/status/992741675511447552)
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sebsel :)
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KooBaa Handreichungen für kleine Unternehmen und Vereine https://www.lda.bayern.de/de/kleine-unternehmen.html
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KooBaa GDPR ^
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Zegnat GDPR << [https://www.lda.bayern.de/de/kleine-unternehmen.html Handreichungen für kleine Unternehmen und Vereine (German)]
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Loqi ok, I added "[https://www.lda.bayern.de/de/kleine-unternehmen.html Handreichungen für kleine Unternehmen und Vereine (German)]" to the "See Also" section of /GDPR https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=47527&oldid=47490
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Zegnat Added to the wiki, thanks KooBaa!
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@jkphl Session about private posts / a permission layer for #webmentions at the @indiewebcamp Düsseldorf 2018 https://t.co/KwnQdbB3Hv (twitter.com/_/status/992754726801477632)
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@nebu Discussing #GDPR / #DSGVO and its more intricate impact on Swiss organisations and individuals at #IndieWebCamp DUS. Are you ready? (twitter.com/_/status/992757340033241090)
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@calum_ryan In the CMS session at #indiewebcamp Düsseldorf we discussed the recent rise in JAMstack tech including open source content management with such services as Netlify CMS and Github pages (https://calumryan.com/note/1530) (twitter.com/_/status/992768251858948098)
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Zegnat What is JAMstack?
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Loqi JAMstack is a web development architecture based on client-side JavaScript, reusable APIs, and prebuilt Markup https://indieweb.org/JAMstack
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jmac My post yesterday is the first one that's received a lot of commentary since I set up Backfeed, and it reveals some interesting politics inherent in Backfeed which I have to imagine have already seen discussion
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jmac Specifically someone who replied on twitter to a totally different person who RT'd my article, saying (I paraphrase) "Wow that article was boring"
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[kim_landwehr] I would like to thank everyone who worked on the webmention FAQ to answer my questions it helped a lot, thanks.
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jmac And on their own twitter, that's a neutral statement, but then it got syndicated on my own post, and it makes em look like a rude dingdong
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jmac Because the assumption, based on How Comments Work, is that he came all the way over to my website just to share that it was boring. Which, of course, he didn't!
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sknebel did we have a demo video for one of the readers?
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swentel sknebel, indigenous ?
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swentel https://realize.be/notes/1333 has one of the android version (it's outdated already, but oh well heh)
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Loqi [Kristof De Jaeger] Video sneak preview of Indigenous on #android: authentication, channel and items reading (basic); Oh and posting a note with image to my site :) #indieweb #drupal [video]
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swentel https://eddiehinkle.com/media/indigenous-beta2-preview.mov is a preview of the ios versoin
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sknebel swentel++ thanks!
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Loqi swentel has 5 karma in this channel (9 overall)
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sknebel (we are having a reader session soon and I'm having trouble with my setup)
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swentel aah :)
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sknebel hm, the first video doesn't work?
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sknebel ah, ok, I can download it and show it in VLC
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Zegnat I can play it on mpv, but Firefox will not play it
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Zegnat Neither of them work on my Firefox
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swentel hmm weird
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swentel works fine here on ff
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Zegnat Video links added to https://etherpad.indieweb.org/indiereader for posterity
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Zegnat I am on Firefox Nightly on macOS. Who knows.
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[tantek] Welcome [kim_landwehr] !
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@ramsey ↩️ My next big thing is focusing efforts on IndieWeb technologies. If I can figure a way to intersect the two, I’ll join in. I’ll do some research and see what I can find. (twitter.com/_/status/992789455818895361)
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@lukestokes ↩️ @ramsey /me goes to Google what "IndieWeb technologies" means. (kids these days with their fancy cyber words) (twitter.com/_/status/992790404645969920)
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@derSchepp ↩️ @nebu @jkphl @indiewebcamp @calum_ryan Leider jetzt erst geschafft, vorbei zu kommen. Sehe aber, ihr seid schon weg. (twitter.com/_/status/992791409206939649)
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@lukestokes ↩️ You talking about https://indieweb.org/ ? Looks interesting. I wonder if tools like https://masdacs.io/crossposting might some day bridge the gap. (twitter.com/_/status/992791420988731392)
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@jkphl ↩️ @derSchepp @nebu @indiewebcamp @calum_ryan sind gerade auf dem weg zum rheinufer!! seit 10 minuten weg. 🤨 magst du nachkommen? (twitter.com/_/status/992791734387134468)
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@jkphl ↩️ @derSchepp @nebu @indiewebcamp @calum_ryan jetzt am fuß des fersehturms ... (twitter.com/_/status/992792083688804356)
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@martijnvdven ↩️ Crossposting to an IndieWeb friendly website shouldn’t be too hard to implement. Most use the W3C Rec for publishing: https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ It could even cover WordPress: https://github.com/snarfed/wordpress-micropub (Hello from the IndieWeb chat, where this Twitter conversation popped up! 👋) (twitter.com/_/status/992793305774723078)
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@ramsey ↩️ @martijnvdven @lukestokes Where is the IndieWeb chat? Is it on IRC? (twitter.com/_/status/992795357934505986)
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@martijnvdven ↩️ @ramsey @lukestokes IRC / Slack / or in your browser. It gets bridged to several places. https://indieweb.org/discuss#Join_Discussions can help you join in! (twitter.com/_/status/992796069632380928)
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Zegnat has decided he likes the term “IndieWeb friendly website”
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@derSchepp ↩️ @jkphl @nebu @indiewebcamp @calum_ryan Ich komm Mal schnell rüber, muss aber auch bald wieder los, auf die Kinder aufpassen! Bis gleich. (twitter.com/_/status/992797961020166144)
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@derSchepp ↩️ Bzw. vielleicht komme ich einfach mit den Kindern vorbei... Sagt Mal, wo ihr später seid. Kann das K.I.T. sehr empfehlen, bzw. Die Wiese davor. (twitter.com/_/status/992798476995096576)
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Zegnat Düsseldorf peeps, what am I going to work on for hackday tomorrow? Did people have any amazing ideas?
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@jkphl ↩️ genau da sind wir (wie immer) 😉 aber der bierstand davor fehlt dieses jahr. ja, komm vorbei! wobei wir schätzungsweise in 20-30 minuten richtung etwas essbarem ziehen werden. empfehlungen? (twitter.com/_/status/992806171064008704)
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@jkphl ↩️ @derSchepp @nebu @indiewebcamp @calum_ryan (sorry, jetzt erst gelesen :/) (twitter.com/_/status/992806391478972417)
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@derSchepp ↩️ Bis dahin kriege ich die Rasselbande nicht zu Euch bugsiert. Das heißt, wir treffen uns beim/nach Eurem Essen. Meine Empfehlung in der Alstadt wären: - Die Casita Mexicana <3 - Pizzeria Colosseo - Beef Brothers (Burger) - Zum Csikos (Ungarisch) Und Bier bei der Brauerei Kürzer (twitter.com/_/status/992807379505905665)
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@jkphl ↩️ cool, danke! wir probieren jetzt beef burger, und wer keinen platz findet, wandert weitet. ich halte dich auf dem laufenden! :) (twitter.com/_/status/992811603727876096)
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@derSchepp ↩️ Hey, ich krieg es nicht hin. Es ist zum Haareraufen. Ein Kind ist eben eingeschlafen. Das andere klagt über Müdigkeit... es ist eine verdammte Luschentruppe. 😞 (twitter.com/_/status/992815645132804097)
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@webrocker ↩️ @jkphl @derSchepp @nebu @indiewebcamp @calum_ryan ungarisch klingt spannend :) (twitter.com/_/status/992815705358823424)
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@jkphl ↩️ @derSchepp @nebu @indiewebcamp @calum_ryan 😥 (twitter.com/_/status/992815862578020353)
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@m_ott ↩️ @webrocker @jkphl @derSchepp @nebu @indiewebcamp @calum_ryan https://t.co/jaQnaGNB5i (twitter.com/_/status/992816333480976385)
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@derSchepp ↩️ Würde euch höchstens einladen, später noch bei uns vorbeizuschauen. Wenn ihr mögt. Haben einen großen Balkon. Einfach in die U72 in der Altstadt steigen und bis Aachener Platz fahren. Preisstufe A. Wenn ihr mögt! Ich habe Bier. (twitter.com/_/status/992816577052643330)
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@jkphl ↩️ Supercool, danke! Ich werde es vorschlagen — jetzt lassen wir uns gerade erst mal im Beef Brother nieder. Tatsächlich Plätze gefunden! \o/ Danke für den Tip! (twitter.com/_/status/992817608935297024)
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@derSchepp ↩️ @jkphl @nebu @indiewebcamp @calum_ryan Bahnsteig Richtung Bilk übrigens und die Bahn fährt nach Volmerswerth. (twitter.com/_/status/992817859217776640)
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@bkastl ↩️ @m_ott @webrocker @jkphl @derSchepp @nebu @indiewebcamp @calum_ryan Oh! Vorfreude auf Sonntag Nacht um 1 😍 (twitter.com/_/status/992821768728600577)
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@m_ott ↩️ @webrocker @jkphl @derSchepp @nebu @indiewebcamp @calum_ryan Aber es ist dann doch Beef geworden. 😉 https://t.co/6jNyPX30LO (twitter.com/_/status/992822341196505089)
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gRegorLove Hello #indieweb and happy IndieWebCamp Düsseldorf!
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gRegorLove Sounds like a good weekend for me to clean up and release the next version of ProcessWire Webmention
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rotozeev Hi all! Am I right that IndieWeb for wordpress does not work with Discus commenting system installed on blog?
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rotozeev *Disqus
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gRegorLove Hi rotozeev. I think that depends what your WordPress theme does with local comments. It's possible it doesn't display them at all, in favor of the Disqus comments.
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gRegorLove You might find some more specific answers in #indieweb-wordpress
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[chrisaldrich] I've finished most/all(?) of the changes to convert my site from http to https. For those who read, let me know if you run across any anomalies.
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jacky [chrisaldrich]: didn't notice that your site _wasn't_ on HTTPS
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@jevdemon Reposting link because Twitter apparently doesn't know how to properly format an #indieweb style response. https://dzone.com/articles/webhook-events-are-sign-of-a-maturing-api-platform (twitter.com/_/status/992839142970044416)
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@jevdemon Learn more about #indieweb replies here. https://indieweb.org/reply (twitter.com/_/status/992839506398081024)
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@andrewsreading ✌ @Reading "The Indieweb privacy challenge (Webmentions, silo backfeeds, and the GDPR)" http://ing.am/p/4Ynj (twitter.com/_/status/992843543084494849)
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dgold sigh
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dgold I'm really getting fed up with this
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dgold nice elision there too, quoting (at length) sentence1 of GDPR REcital 18 (because it fits his preconception) but eliding sentence 2.
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dgold "Personal or household activities could include correspondence and the holding of addresses, or social networking and online activity undertaken within the context of such activitiess."
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Zegnat Who are you replying to there, dgold? Today's GDPR session in Düsseldorf or sgreger's long article?
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dgold sgregers article which is full of misinformation
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Loqi [indienews] New post: https://jacky.wtf/weblog/comments-are-back/
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Zegnat He has been running workshops with a German IT lawyer. So I wouldn't have expected a lot of misinformation.
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dgold His article is full of misiformation
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dgold particularly his contention that if you're a web developer and you mention web development on your personal blog, that makes your personal blog commercial and you are now subject to GDPR
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dgold that's alarmist and fantasy, and has no support in the Corpus
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dgold aka: Bullshit.
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jacky lmfao
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Zegnat I think he is literally taking that from German cases where bloggers have gotten abmahnung for missing certain things like impressum. So that might just be the general advice a German lawyer would give.
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jacky is still reading
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Zegnat Yesterday we discussed a year long case of someone taken to court for not having a full impressum on his social media (XING) profile. Germany is very possibly an outlier here.
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dgold what's an impressum?
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KartikPrabhu what is impressum?
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Loqi An Impressum is a disclosure of information about the person responsible for a website that appears to be required by laws in some countries https://indieweb.org/Impressum
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dgold yes, .de is a complete outlier in that
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dgold as in: over there with tsar vladimir, Kim Jong-Un and Xi
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KartikPrabhu dgold: wow! hyperbole much :P
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dgold KartikPrabhu: requiring a disclosure like that on all written/published material is a systematic method of repression
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dgold used since Metternich
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KartikPrabhu dgold: I understand your criticisms and concerns
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dgold used before Metternich, used throughout history as a method of oppression
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dgold stateing, as sgreger does, that the dictum in a state which uses such an oppressive law applies mutatis mutandi to any site to make GDPR applicable is, as stated above, fanciful.
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jacky > Based on the German legal literature I have assessed, this would make the GDPR applicable to a personal website as soon as its content has any connection to professional or commercial activity, hence not only applying to freelancers, who undoubtedly are affected, but e.g. to any web professional who discusses web technology on their personal site (the entire “Indieweb generation 1“?).
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jacky This is what is setting off alarms?
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dgold jacky: that.
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dgold its just wrong
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dgold on every level
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jacky the preceding part:
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jacky > This is further specified by Recital 18(1) GDPR (emphasis mine):
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jacky This Regulation does not apply to the processing of personal data by a natural person in the course of a purely personal or household activity and thus with no connection to a professional or commercial activity.
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dgold but he (assumingly deliberately) elides the very next sentence of the Recital.
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jacky which should _negate_ the latter bit he's proposing no?
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dgold Personal or household activities could include correspondence and the holding of addresses, or social networking and online activity undertaken within the context of such activities.
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dgold SOCIAL NETWORKING
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dgold it says it right there in the recital he's selectively quoted from
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jacky lmfaooo
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jacky alright then
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jacky then I have nothing to truly worry about
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jacky thanks for making that clear(er) dgold
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dgold seriously, I am ridiculously angry about this entire article, and all the well-meaning people sharing it into my headspace
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KartikPrabhu dgold: you should write your own post clarifying things.
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dgold if I received this from a 1st year law student, i'd advise them to pursue a different career
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Zegnat I think I know several people who would say “write a response, and send a webmention” ;)
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Zegnat Aah, KartikPrabhu beat me to it, haha
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KartikPrabhu :P
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dgold like banking, maybe, or White House Press Secretary
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jacky haha
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jacky totally sniped
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Zegnat To be fair to sgreger, he does UX. He is probably trying his best to apply everything he has been reading and doing around the GDPR workshops, workshops that are done with a German IT-specialised lawyer (Baltasar Cevc)
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jacky but yeah dgold
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jacky I think you should highlight this
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dgold Zegnat: sigh
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dgold lookit...
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Zegnat Hehe
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dgold I don't take to the internet and write articles about, heck, I dunno, plastics! and how they're going to kill us all.
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Zegnat But there are tonnes of people who would do just that, dgold! :P (I know what you mean, of course, but still ;) )
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dgold I know sqrt(feck all) about plastics, and anything I would write is going to be ill-informed.
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dgold Law, law I know. Am I some special flower with unique insights? No, that's why I'm not in academe.
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@Dries @swentel Have you tried using https://omnibear.com with your IndieWeb Drupal module? (twitter.com/_/status/992858948804993024)
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@davidmead Just noticed @phhhoto shut down last year. https://techcrunch.com/2017/06/20/phhhoto-shuts-down/. Another #silo to remove from my homepage. #indieweb (http://djm.click/blog/b/5Ut) (twitter.com/_/status/992859152086159361)
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Zegnat I thought https://github.com/tollwerk/data-processing-agreements was interesting and somewhat telling. Lots of web hosts making DPAs available, but seemingly very aimed at the German market. E.g. Strato also advertisers on Dutch TV, but I couldn’t easily find a DPA on their Dutch site at all.
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Loqi [tollwerk] data-processing-agreements: Collection of Data Processing Agreement (DPA) and GDPR compliance resources
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Zegnat Maybe it is Germany that is the special snowflake here ;)
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Zegnat only publishes his own personal data and doesn’t care much about it all
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dgold laughs at the number of `Privacy Shield` things there (tolwerk)
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@nitishchpr swentel Have you tried using https://omnibear.com with your IndieWeb Drupal module? (twitter.com/_/status/992859756179140609)
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dgold because Schrems didn't happen
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@roelgroeneveld Jason McIntosh is certain that the IndieWeb movement is ready for the next step.) http://fogknife.com/2018-05-04-i-believe-in-the-indieweb-it-needs-to-believe-in-itself.html (twitter.com/_/status/992860671598628864)
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Zegnat Who knows
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Zegnat Hahahaha, https://gdpr-shield.io/ is down
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Loqi haha
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@GDPR_Tracker GDPR and the IndieWeb https://cstu.io/a6a6d5 via @khurtwilliams (twitter.com/_/status/992861026289963008)
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Zegnat How is it going to block all Europeans from visiting my site, when they themselves go down?!
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jacky hahah that's priceless
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sknebel good evening Indieweb!
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[colinwalker] Hey
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Zegnat Hellow sknebel! :) Have a plan for tomorrow’s hackday?
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sknebel inoreader microsub bridge
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sknebel otherwise I won't finish it for 2 months or so, and I think getting it useable is possible tomorrow
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Zegnat Awesome!
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@andrewsreading ✌ @Reading "Reply to The Indieweb privacy challenge (Webmentions, silo backfeeds, and the GDPR) by Sebastian Grege…" http://ing.am/p/4Ynw (twitter.com/_/status/992878748667170816)
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Zegnat I think I am going to finish my token endpoint, for the people who have been wondering about that. When does hackday start tomorrow? I’ll set my alarm :D
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[dgold] https://ascraeus.org/micro/1525556293/
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Loqi [Daniel Goldsmith] Sebastian, first of all, thank you for your detailed write up on this issue. I think much of your roadmap is worthwhile, and of great interest. I cannot, however, say that I am convinced by your contentions regarding the effect of GDPR and indieweb ...
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@andrewmaier GO ON. 🍿 "<warning>this is the point where this article shifts from user-centred design into privacy geekery and opinionated nitpicking ;)</warning>" https://sebastiangreger.net/2018/05/indieweb-privacy-challenge-webmentions-backfeeds-gdpr/ (twitter.com/_/status/992883313852473345)
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[dgold] There, zegnat & kartikprabhu.
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[dgold] Does that qualify?
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Zegnat It is a reply, and it is on the internet, so definitely counts, haha. I am definitely the wrong person to say otherwise.
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Zegnat Will be reading with interest though!
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KartikPrabhu what Zegnat said ^
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[colinwalker] Nice counterpoint dgold
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Zegnat That is an awesome response, dgold!
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Zegnat dgold++ for engaging, writing that response, and level headedness in general
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Loqi dgold has 23 karma in this channel (43 overall)
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snarfed afternoon everyone
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[colinwalker] HI
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[dgold] Saluton, Ryan & Colin.
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KartikPrabhu dgold++ nice response
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Zegnat Now I will be off to bed. IndieWeb hack day tomorrow :D Have a good one all!
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sknebel good night!
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Loqi ciao
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[colinwalker] Night
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@gRegorLove @kylewmahan https://chat.indieweb.org/dev/2018-05-05#t1525560076372400 (twitter.com/_/status/992908408029409280)