#indieweb 2018-05-22
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@jgmac1106 I will be offering a fun pop up course on Digital Teaching and Learning https://jgregorymcverry.com/opening-up-digital-teaching-and-learning-ii/ with a focus on owning your content and #IndieWeb for teachers (https://jgregorymcverry.com/i-will-be-offering-a-fun-pop-up-course-on-digital-teaching-and-learning-https-jgregorymcverry-com-opening-up-digital-teaching-and-learning-ii-with-a-focus-on-owning-your-content-and-indieweb-for/) (twitter.com/_/status/998721163139403776)
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@cathieleblanc Friends...check this out #IndieWeb https://twitter.com/jgmac1106/status/998721163139403776 (twitter.com/_/status/998721640098881536)
# @jgmac1106 ↩️ thx @cathieleblanc also planning an Virtual Homebrew Website Club Meet Up May 30 starting 5:00 Pacific #edtechchat (https://jgregorymcverry.com/thx-cathieleblanc-also-planning-an-virtual-homebrew-website-club-meet-up-may-30-starting-500-pacific-edtechchat/) (twitter.com/_/status/998723629226582016)
# @jgmac1106 Trying my #IndieWeb WordPress experiment liver Twitter chat #2 with #edtechchat (https://jgregorymcverry.com/trying-my-indieweb-wordpress-experiment-liver-twitter-chat-2-with-edtechchat/) https://t.co/ut1HZfhM5E (twitter.com/_/status/998725048725843969)
# @jgmac1106 I am not heading to #iste this year. I will be at the #IndieWeb Summit instead in #PDX #edtechchat No vendors, better values. Trust. (https://jgregorymcverry.com/i-am-not-heading-to-iste-this-year-i-will-be-at-the-indieweb-summit-instead-in-pdx-edtechchat-no-vendors-better-values-trust/) (twitter.com/_/status/998725778245373952)
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@ablaze 👁 Reading: “Building an IndieWeb Reader • Aaron Parecki” https://aaronparecki.com/2018/03/12/17/building-an-indieweb-reader (twitter.com/_/status/998751320969568256)
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@tmreading2 Jon Mitchell ๛ is reading "https://aaronparecki.com/2018/03/12/17/building-an-indieweb-reader" https://ift.tt/2kc8rZI (twitter.com/_/status/998757399329689600)
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petermolnar morning
# petermolnar I've heard "human" from Loqi in the same tone/dialect as a Ferengi, I'm uncertain why
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sherab A very confused beginner - i have my domain name with no-ip. what now??
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jeremycherfas I'm not sure I know what no-ip means. Can you please explain?
# jeremycherfas Oh, you mean the registrar?
# jeremycherfas Next you need a host; I don't think no-ip supports hosting.
# sherab yes
# sherab I see
# sherab once i have a domain name i need a host - the host will host my index.html[I am a beginner!] and the domain name will point peoplel to my index.html on my host server?
# jeremycherfas So you need to pick a host; there are so many of them, with such different offerings, that it would help to know how much you want to do yourself, and can, or whether ytou want the host to manage everything for you.
# sherab i enjoy learwning - i have nextcloud oon my raspberry pi as a rprivate dropbox
# jeremycherfas That is correct. You store the files for your site on the host
# sherab i am not sure if i can also be my own host on my pi?
# jeremycherfas You definitely can, but I know nothing about that.
# sherab ok
# sherab so once i found a host - then upload my index.html then sign in to indieweb with my website?
# jeremycherfas It sounds as if a small VPS would be fine for you. A lot of people like Linode or Digital Ocean for that, but there are plenty of other options.
# jeremycherfas Basically, yes.
# sherab i'm happy to take advice as i am so confused
# jeremycherfas Are you thinking of having a CMS of some sort behind your site?
# sherab ok i'll look those two
# sherab should i?
# sherab coz the CMS seems like a very bloated cumbrsome thing
# jeremycherfas I too am happy to learn, but decided I could not afford the time to learn to operate Linode for myself. :)
# sherab i thought the CMS is just a way to help me design a more attractive site
# jeremycherfas It does not need to be at all bloated or cumbersome. Static site generators like Hugo and Jekyll are quite lean. But they are not good for easy interaction via webmentions, micropub and so on.
# sherab i was hoping to learn css to help me to design myself [ i am no designer but again the fun of learning]
# sherab i see so if i go with your suggestion - hosting on liode or Digital Ocean what CMS would you recommend? WP?
# jeremycherfas No, the CMS is more than that. It can take care of things like commenting and webmentions, and athorisation. You can also do all that yourself.
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# sherab i see - i am sure i can but seems like there's so much to learn. and indeed i have more urgent things to do with my time
# jeremycherfas I do use WP a bit on a couple of my sites, but not the main sites. And you will get a lot of help here with WP. For a simple start, you could also look at WithKnown, which has a lot of indieweb goodness right out of the box.
# sherab oh
# sherab ok
# jeremycherfas WP needs a few plugins and a properly-equipped theme to do well on the interactive part of indieweb
# sherab i don't knwo why - i never had good vibe with WP
# sherab so not wanting to take much mor eof your time - in conclusion: 1. get a host Linode or Digital Ocean 2. Get the CSM WithKNown 3.Upload my index.html 4.connect to indieweb with my website . correct?
# jeremycherfas There are some really good walk-throughs of setting up WP for IndieWeb. https://boffosocko.com/2018/04/27/setting-up-wordpress-for-indieweb-use/ is a good starting place
# jeremycherfas And there's a room here #indieweb-wordpress where people who know far more than I do hang out.
# petermolnar sherab: no-ip is a dynamic ip to hostname provider, correct? If you plan to host on a dynamic address, you can still have a real domain name, but then you'll need to take care of switching the IP yourself. This is doable via digitalocean: they have an API for changes. If you set the DNS TLL low enough, it will be reasonably responsive, but there is a chance that after the IP switch your site won't be reachable for a while until the cha
# petermolnar nges propagate.
# sherab petermolnar yes it is a dynamic dns
# sherab whatever that means..
# petermolnar if you're not certain what that means, you probably just want a standard provider from linode/digitalocean/hetzner/etc
# petermolnar and point a domain at it
# sherab ok so keep my no-ip dns and point it to linode etc
# sherab and the host provider will do the rest?
# petermolnar this is incorrect.
# petermolnar let me split it up a bit
# sherab :-)
# sherab please do
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# petermolnar 1. domain. A domain name is an entry that points to an IP address. Dynamic DNS providers like no-ip allows residential clients, who's internet facing IP address is not fixed - meaning it can change when you restart your connection to the provider - to have a subdomain pointed at them, so xyz.no-ip.com will always point at the user who registers with that, rather than an IP that can shift from one user to another.
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# petermolnar however, this is not your domain; this is a subdomain, provided by no-ip.com
# petermolnar if you want you own domain - say, sherab.me, or something like that - you'll need to register it and point it to an IP. Because the IP might shift, you'll need a provider who allows changes from a client to the DNS entry to keep it up with the potential IP shifts
# sherab i think i begin to understand. so i am better registering a domain with something like freedns that becomes my domain name
# petermolnar alternatively, you can get a virtual machine with a static IP, a co-lo box (you bring a machine in to a provider, pay, get a static IP), or a static IP from you ISP if it's possible - this is usually only for business customers
# jeremycherfas Thanks petermolnar I wasn't getting the subtlety of what no-ip did. But something like that would be esential if sherab wanted to host their site on a Pi, right?
# petermolnar brb
# sherab [jgmac1106] i run it on my firefox - i now how it loks like - very basic and childish like
# sherab [petermolnar] so if i have a domainname with a company like freeDNS will that then work with Linode or Digital Ocean?
# sherab [jgmac1106]Rehosting sounds my level of pricing. and can you please add the link to [kevinmaks] that your recommend
# sherab ok folks thanks for all your help. cial
# sherab ciao
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jgmac1106 oops sorry [sherab] https://github.com/indieweb/blank-gh-site
# petermolnar 2. so, indieweb. To be part of "indieweb", you need your website, and that's it. It gets trickier when you plan to interact with other websites, and I'd suggest to start here: https://indieweb.org/Getting_Started
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# petermolnar sherab: in short, to accept/send webmentions, a static html is not enough on it's own, but there are services which can do it for you, which can be used with static site generators. Alternatively, you can use a CMS, like Known or WordPress, which are not static sites, and can deal with these kind of interactions, but they both require a bit more maintenance. You always have the option of a hosted service, meaning someone will set the w
# petermolnar hole shebang of WordPress up for you and you only need to use it, but
# petermolnar that usually costs more.
# jgmac1106 https://boffosocko.com/2018/05/16/virtual-homebrew-website-club-meetup-on-may-30-2018/ info about the Virtual Meet-Up
# sherab cool - a great and big learning curve. thanks all
# petermolnar this page describes the hosting options: https://indieweb.org/web_hosting
# petermolnar jeremycherfas: about no-ip and similar dynamic DNS providers: https://indieweb.org/home_server#Hosting_services_on_a_dynamic_IP
# sherab petermolnar: is there a way to downoad the transcript of this converstaion?
# petermolnar sherab: no need, this room has public log at https://chat.indieweb.org/
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# sherab petermolnar: 1. in Hexchat IRC i can start a person's name and press tab and they become mentioned - is there an equivelent in the indieweb web chat ? 2. what does brb stands for?
# sherab Zegnat - that's great. thank you
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Zegnat https://indieweb.org/discuss#Join_Discussions has irc:// links, if Hexchat understands those. Otherwise connect to Freenode in your prefered way and join any of the #indieweb channels :)
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# sherab_ Zegnat: i am writing this from hexchat!!
# sherab_ jgmac1106: thank you
# sherab_ wow i input it in hex chat and see it on the web interface chat!! magic!!
# sherab_ cool - how many people are involved with indieweb??
# sherab_ its amazing. i actually feel a little sad i will never be able to be contributing the way you guys do - as in beign active supporters of beginners
# sherab_ jgmac1106: yeah i guess that's a good point
# sherab_ right I am overwhelemd by the kindness you guys showed me and I need to be going now. will go and follow up on all the suggestions thanks again
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# jgmac1106 anytime [shreab] andlike [petermolnar] said get a website and you have #indieweb but to see a list of folks who have a shared vision of a better web check this out (and add youself later) https://indieweb.org/IRC_People
# @jgmac1106 No #IndieWeb WordPress work for me on Day 11. Classes start today. I will tack another day on the end. Yesterday I did get to play with a lot of the post-kind/bridgy/Twitter functionality. (https://jgregorymcverry.com/2770-2/) (twitter.com/_/status/998875420769611776)
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# jeremycherfas !tell wiobyrne I wonder why your site at https://wiobyrne.com/better-visions-of-ourselves/ gives a 403 to webmentions?
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# [Natris1979] [jgmac1106] I appreciate the slack integration. Not that I am a huge fan of slack, but I have to have in running for work anyway so it keeps things simple
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# sherab I have a domain name i started a simple website username.github.io how do i make my domain name point to my username.github.io ?
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KartikPrabhu sherab: maybe this page has instrcutions https://help.github.com/articles/using-a-custom-domain-with-github-pages/
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# sherab KartikPrabhu: thanks
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# [Natris1979] [Sherab] if you want to add HTTPS later, make sure you set your site to point to www.yourdomain.com rather than yourdomain.com, that will make your life easier
# sherab [Natris1979]: funny i just did this and it says Unavailable for your site because your domain is not properly configured to support HTTPS (www.3sep.info)
# sherab When HTTPS is enforced, your site will only be served over HTTPS. Learn more.
# sherab HTTPS provides a layer of encryption that prevents others from snooping on or tampering with traffic to your site.
# sherab so see what happens now...
# [Natris1979] [Sherab] hmm... did you setup the DNS to have www.yourdomain.com point to yourusername.github.io as a CNAME? I think that's important for some reason
# [Natris1979] doesn't look like the DNS for your domain points to your GitHub pages at all yet, that might be the problem
# KartikPrabhu huh! what does www have to do with https?
# sherab [Natris1979]: so i registered with freedns - do i need to do my configuration in freedns - so that it sends to username.github.io ??
# [Natris1979] KartPrabhu: Nothing in my experience, but GitHub pages seems to require the DNS for the site to be set up via a CNAME which you can't do for your root domain. I don't quite understand why it works that way
# [Natris1979] [Sherab] yup!
# KartikPrabhu huh! weird
# sherab [Natris1979]: oh man - been a long day of learning. so many names and things to get through...
# jeremycherfas Yeah, but look how far you've come already!
# sherab jeremycherfas: yeah !
# [Natris1979] [Sherab] yeah, it's always a bit tricky the first time
# jeremycherfas And the second, and the third.
# [Natris1979] KartikPrabhu: weird indeed!
# KartikPrabhu [Natris1979]: maybe document that with possible citation here https://indieweb.org/github-pages#Limitations
# sherab that's actually quite nice even though my head is exploding with weird names and intractable pointing toos and fros
# sherab freedns has this thing called web forwarding - would you guess it is the place to make my domain name point to my username.github ?
# [Natris1979] [Sherab] umm... hmm, not sure, that could mean different things
# KartikPrabhu sherab: also just an fyi, DNS records sometime taken a few hours to "propagate" so your site might not work until that happens
# sherab [Natris1979]: KartikPrabhu yeah i think you both are at the same time right
# sherab Thanks going to breath some fresh air! cheers :-)
# [Natris1979] [Sherab] Looks like on FreeDNS you click on "Domains" on the left, then click on "[Manage]" for your domain, then click on www.yourdomain.com and create a CNAME record that points to youruser.github.io. Then do the same for yourdomain.com (without www)
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# KartikPrabhu that is even weirder
# [Natris1979] @skippy right, that's why I'm saying that you should set up your domain to be www.example.com (if you want to use SSL on GH pages
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@smerrill ↩️ Why a one-time event? Personal sites need long-term care and feeding!
I've been looking for an excuse to start a local Homebrew Website Club: https://indieweb.org/Homebrew_Website_Club (twitter.com/_/status/998952258858635264)
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@kevinmarks ↩️ @jonst0kes we're working on it indieweb land. https://indieweb.org/Microsub (twitter.com/_/status/998984691125547009)
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@HWCGent I'm alive! Follow me to get updates on the local Homebrew Website Club in Gent. Come join the #indieweb! :) (twitter.com/_/status/998987379821174784)
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@MiQL ↩️ Thx to @jackyalcine, I'm going to look more into indieweb https://indieweb.org/ (twitter.com/_/status/998997981008297984)
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