#indieweb 2019-05-25

2019-05-25 UTC
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GWG I might be in exile
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GWG I was told to keep the summer free
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GWG They've narrowed it down to 2 locations
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[tantek] ohhhh this is where the iwc la chat is/was. -> meta 😛
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[tantek] also trains++
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Loqi trains has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (4 in all channels)
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[Rose] Yes it is those dates Aaron (and everyone else!)
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sebsel is coding in the train as we speak
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sebsel trains++
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Loqi trains has 3 karma in this channel over the last year (5 in all channels)
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[Rose] I have been coding on the sofa.
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[Rose] I built a recommendations page which pulls data from AirTable, woot
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Loqi yay!
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[TimApple] I was thinking of setting up Known on Reclaim... I looked at their list of available applications known doesn't show up..wanted to double check before I fork out the $ Of course I wonder if I should just do a blank HTML page with 0 features and work from there.
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Zegnat [TimApple], oh, interesting, I recall Reclaim as one of the few hosting companies to have 1-click Known installation. Maybe some Reclaim user could verify?
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Zegnat !tell jgmac1106 Does Reclaim still offer 1-click Known installation?
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[TimApple] I just jumped on Reclaim discourse, didn't know it was there... they pulled known from the oneclick installer.
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[TimApple] Any suggestions on a good host for a from scratch site.. just HTML, CSS, and JS for now....
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jeremycherfas For Known, or something else?
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[TimApple] Something else...a do it yourself project
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jeremycherfas Then nope. Afraid not.
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[TimApple] lol...ok thanks
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doubleloop What is hosting?
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Loqi Web hosting can be the primary regular cost in maintaining an IndieWeb site; this page lists several options from free on up depending on your publishing needs, like a static, shared, private, or dedicated server https://indieweb.org/hosting
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jeremycherfas I mean, I could babble about Digital Ocean or Linode, which are two names I see here often, but it would just be babbling.
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doubleloop [TimApple]: there are some community recommendations in there ^^^
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[TimApple] Now worries [jeremycherfas], I litteraly just got done reading everything on that link when you posted it @doubleloop , I think I will probably do a VPS
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doubleloop [TimApple]: using a VPS will likely mean configuring a lot of the server yourself, which might be overkill if you just want to begin with a simple HTML/CSS/JS page. It does give you the most flexibility and room to grow over time however. Entirely up to you!
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snarfed agreed. if it's really just html/css/js, nothing backend, personally i'd go the other direction and a static file host like github pages, AWS S3, Google Cloud Storage, etc
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snarfed less sysadmin tax
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doubleloop Next Events: IndieWeb Summit 2019 https://indieweb.org/next-iwc, Homebrew Website Club Meetup https://indieweb.org/next-hwc, Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
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Zegnat Setting up a wiki for my D&D group world building. ShouldI default to MediaWiki or do people have great other options to share? :)
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sknebel Zegnat: I remember we talked about dokuwiki because of it's feature for private spaces?
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sknebel (for this use case if I remember correctly)
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Zegnat Yes, which I will still be playing with but just for world building will not be very important
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snarfed Zegnat: you'd have to self host mediawiki, right? there are lots of hosted options that would avoid the sysadmin tax
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Zegnat I think I would prefer to selfhost, actually, snarfed. For backup purposes mainly.
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snarfed i'm sure most of the hosted options have export, right?
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aaronpk github wiki is a good middle ground there since you can download it as a git repo
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Zegnat Maybe? One reason I'm asking if people have opinions/options :)
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Zegnat That's an interesting one, aaronpk. I wonder if the others in the group can "ignore" all the other stuff GitHub has.
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snarfed i expect most hosted options have export
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aaronpk export probably, but automated export likely not
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snarfed eh reasonably scriptable probably
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aaronpk I wouldn't count on it
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snarfed at this point we'd actually go check i guess :P
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snarfed lots of domain-specific options: https://www.google.com/search?dnd+wiki
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snarfed in general, for any given project, i usually try to start at the highest level (ie least sysadmin tax) and work down, instead of bottom and work up
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chrisaldrich For those interested in participating, or for passing along to friends/family: Open Invitation for Domain Camp 2019 https://extend-domains.ecampusontario.ca/domain-camp-2019/
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chrisaldrich I'll add it to /events shortly...
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chrisaldrich [TimApple] when I looked last week, Reclaim Hosting still had Known in their one click dashboard in cpanel. They may not advertise it anymore on their primary site since their once click version is 0.9.2 from about two years ago and current is 0.9.9.
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] started my testing of Kirby can follow along here: https://github.com/jgmac1106/starterkit/blob/master/mynotes.html think it will be the approach I take to learning PHP, their documentation is written well for learning, up to date, and has an active community forums. Three things LinkedIn Learning PHP courses lacked
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Loqi [jgmac1106]: Zegnat left you a message 6 hours, 37 minutes ago: Does Reclaim still offer 1-click Known installation?
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[jgmac1106] wouldn't be a formal curriculum...more weekly or biweekly subjective goals we hold each other to and then bounce ideas off each other...think it would be best way to level up PHP skills....could do the same forking WordPress theme
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[jgmac1106] !tell Zegnat yes but it installs 0.92, you then need to update Composer using Terminal, and then push 0.9.9a. Just did it for my youngest son this morning at https://legomaster.jgregorymcverry.com
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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Loqi jaxpanther
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chrisaldrich sounds good, I'll take a look...
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[jgmac1106] yeah I am not built for correspondence course whether through the mail or LinkedIn...even worse when there is no correspondence...like a PHP nobody takes anymore
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[jgmac1106] !tell zegnat the tutorials on Getting Started for Known on Reclaim hosting are up to date, but it is more than one press install
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] ...and I need to add another step about editing htaccess to everything resolves to https rather than http....
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chrisaldrich what domain name is your kirby site going to live?
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[jgmac1106] so [chrisaldrich] are you pulling off IWC LA for [Rose]?
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[jgmac1106] lemme know if you get stuck with venues and I can put out higher ed feelers
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chrisaldrich I've got to wait for three other moving targets/commitments to sit still before I'll know that answer.
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[Rose] I'm waiting to hear back from some friends in SF as well right now, so lots of moving targets 🙂
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[jgmac1106] we can all hurry up and wait...good luck to all
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[jgmac1106] [chrisaldrich] I have to password protect it as free can only be private but right now it is https://testkirby.jgregorymcverry.com
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[jgmac1106] doing plumbing stuff now, haven't added my header, footer and stylesheet yet
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[jgmac1106] !tell [Khurt] if you ever wanted a simple photo collection UI you could add IndieWeb building blocks check out Kirby. The photography UX is spot on out of box and adding the bits and pieces has been manageable so far for me
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Loqi Ok, I'll tell them that when I see them next
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[jgmac1106] plus [chrisaldrich] if we get really stuck we can hire [Rose] as a PHP tutor...but the Kirby docs.. spot on....I never say that..documentation is always horrible
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chrisaldrich documentation++
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Loqi documentation has 1 karma in this channel over the last year (3 in all channels)
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chrisaldrich That karma score is an indicator that few others are saying it... *sigh*
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chrisaldrich Documentation is UI.
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[jgmac1106] there we go added a bit of identity will need to caress my stylesheet a bit https://testkirby.jgregorymcverry.com think I am gonna stick with it so will password protect tomorrow and then when I have enough money purchase a license
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sknebel documentation++ indeed
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Loqi documentation has 2 karma in this channel over the last year (4 in all channels)
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[jgmac1106] without getting too devy check out how the recipe for adding blog post is written: https://getkirby.com/docs/cookbook/templating/create-a-blog gives you the step by step you could copy and past but then breaks down what each bit does..sorry to gush,,its just rare to see a company put this much effort into it...super helpful as a learner
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jacky what are scopes
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Loqi It looks like we don't have a page for "scopes" yet. Would you like to create it? (Or just say "scopes is ____", a sentence describing the term)
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jacky scopes is scope
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Loqi ok
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jacky what are scopes
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Loqi scopes is scope https://indieweb.org/scopes
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jacky no loqi
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sknebel jacky: next time, / before the term for a redirect :D
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jacky ah noted
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jacky what are scopes
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Loqi In OAuth terminology, scope is a way to limit what parts of your account are accessible by third-party applications https://indieweb.org/scopes
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jacky getting close to closing the desktop client
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jacky that is, without having a microformats parser directly involved lol
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[calumryan] https://twitter.com/rem/status/1132372010053582849
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[TimApple] Anyone have experience with this... http://freedomcontroller.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/ ?