#indieweb 2020-03-16
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# [Simon_Prickett] [gRegorLove] hello!
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[jgmac1106] hello Simon
# [Simon_Prickett] hi everyone i am part of the indie web group in san diego ca.
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jacky aaronpk++ for making RSVPing to https://events.indieweb.org as clicking a button
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# [g33kcentric] morning!
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# sknebel Next Events: Homebrew Website Club Meetups https://events.indieweb.org/tag/hwc, Code of conduct: https://indieweb.org/code-of-conduct, log https://chat.indieweb.org/today
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# [g33kcentric] i want to say thanks swentel, your drupal modules have helped alot in my switching over to laravel for my site, and building my own custom indieauth and mpub bits and pieces 🙂
# [g33kcentric] 🙂 i was using drupal and your modules, but i couldnt be dealing with the cognitive overload of maintaining the drupal site at work and my personal one
# [g33kcentric] ive been using it professionally for about 3 1/2 years now, and yeah i do really like it, but i just dont need that amount of power for my personal site 🙂
# [g33kcentric] 14 years, so thats what...drupal 3?
# [g33kcentric] ooo nice, you remember the exact version!
# [g33kcentric] i had played around with Drupal 6/7 prior to getting this job, but i was thrown in in my first two weeks, helping to launch this Drupal 8 site when drupal 8 was pretty fresh and there was bugger all modules that had "properly" added drupal 8 support
# [g33kcentric] yeah, and drupal 9 is just round the corner, me and my boss were hoping to update as soon as it dropped, but i took a stock count of how many modules we use have anywhere close to D9 releases and its basically none 😄
# [g33kcentric] Yeah, I'll let him know you said that, i think he will concur
# [g33kcentric] If the D9 update itself goes as smoothly as they are pushing, i shouldnt imagine modules would be *"too"* much trouble
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doubleloop swentel++ for the RSVP action within the Indigenous reader :D
# doubleloop [g33kcentric]: I really like Laravel, cool that you are making your site in it. aaronpk uses it for a bunch of his apps too.
# [g33kcentric] Yeah, its pretty powerful, i tend to always get drawn back to it when i try other frameworks
# [g33kcentric] Shame it has one of my least fav communities 😕
# doubleloop Oh really? Interesting - I've not seen too much of the community side of it.
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# [jgmac1106] Morning all
# [jgmac1106] Who is K Foster?
# doubleloop mblaney: i.haza.website look super cool - was just trying it out, i entered an existing domain into the Domain Name box and it says 'Sorry that domain name is not avaiable'. But the text above seems to suggest that it would give me further info on how to modify my dns records
# [jgmac1106] doubleloop this tripped me up too
# [jgmac1106] Malcom has a post showing how to select the correct tld first
# [jgmac1106] [g33kcentric] what is your website? Would like to see a laravel example for inspiration.... Not that ai have the skills
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mblaney you can follow some of https://i.haza.website/help to add the right IP address, thanks for checking it out!
# doubleloop mblaney: re wording I'd also maybe reword slightly just to have a (really short) piece of text explaining what a domain name is. Something like 'The first step is to give your site a name - this is known as a domain name. ... ...'
# doubleloop mblaney: ah cool, thanks!
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# [datashaman] ↩️ https://larachat.co/
# doubleloop It reads great til then, I was just thinking of some friends who I know would probably start shutting down at hearing 'domain name' :D
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# doubleloop mblaney: also just a heads up that the 'Hosting requested' email went to my spam folder in protonmail for some reason
# doubleloop (also apologies if this is all known already! let me know if you want feedback reports or not :) )
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# [g33kcentric] Well [jgmac1106] its not set up 100% yet, still got to get micropub setup etc, but i have all the content that i scraped off of my old site up
# [g33kcentric] https://itsjustk.com
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# [g33kcentric] The general idea is:
# [g33kcentric] 1. Write from micropub client
# [g33kcentric] 2. The laravel site stores a json file on disk and then stores that same info in sqlite, with a json column, along with the slug, so i can utilize the power of SQL when searching etc
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# [g33kcentric] not had a chance to sit down and have a proper stab at cleaning up all the odds and ends to get it working properly yet
# [g33kcentric] but hey, i guess thats what the indieweb is about right 🙂
# [g33kcentric] so I have the code up in a github repo (the same site powers my indie auth, micropub, my TFA solution etc) and then i have a backup, which backsup the sqlite file, my pictures and my JSON post files up
# [g33kcentric] Sorry, i just realised i should have posted this in dev
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# [g33kcentric] I also noticed you did "who is", im assuming that searches the indieweb wiki for me? I haven't setup a page yet, maybe ill do that this week 🙂
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# [jgmac1106] Site looks great!
# [jgmac1106] Cool. Steps to setting up chat names are on /wikify
# [g33kcentric] I'll check it out ta! Hmmm, not sure about looking great, im the sterotype of "dev not designer" 😄
# [jgmac1106] I am neither, so my standards start at can you finish sentence, "my url is"
# [jgmac1106] Feel like CSS Grid can turn any dev into designer.
# [jgmac1106] Designers haunted by a need for perfection and devs a hubris they are perfection.
# [jgmac1106] I should avoid useless stereotypes in main channel.... Sorry
# [g33kcentric] 🤣 i mean, kind of the reason i stay away from the laravel community 😉
# [jgmac1106] Yeah why I like this space. The network knowledge grows as people make incremental changes to their sites. What works goes to wiki and eventually W3C. What doesn't is discarded
# [jgmac1106] I haven't really been stackoverflowed here asking dumb questions, and nobody waste time arguing over stuff that doesn't exist
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# [g33kcentric] yeah, i love this incremental mentality, and it looks like there are a lot of wordpress people here, who are the nicest tech community ive ever met, probably because there are an equal amount of people who wouldnt consider themselves techies
# [g33kcentric] wordcamps are great confrerences
# [jgmac1106] My goal by 2020 summit is to have micropub capability on my site.... But I have to learn sooo much first... Hope Corona quarantine adds free time
# [jgmac1106] I don't expect university to start up again this semester
# [g33kcentric] Thats a cool goal, is the summit a physical meetup? Well im in the UK, so unless boris gets it, i doubt we will ever get quarantined!
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# [jgmac1106] When is the IndieWeb Summit?
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Loqi 10th annual IndieWeb Summit https://indieweb.org/IndieWeb_Summit
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# [jgmac1106] Haven't been to a WordCamp but have been to plenty of EdCamps.... They all trace back to BarCamps... We share a similar lineage thx to tantek
# [jgmac1106] If you haven't been to West Coast US... 10th annual Summit be a fun trip... Some adjacent tech conferences if you wanna try to get bosses to pay for it
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[jeremycherfas] You think the travel ban will be lifted by then? I doubt it. I’m mentally preparing to travel nowhere till this time next year.
# [jgmac1106] I have only been to London. Mozfest moved to Amsterdam so excited to go there....
# [jgmac1106] I dunno JeremyCherfas. Late June... If we follow China curve is in the clear.... If we trend like Italy..... No it will still be lock down
# [g33kcentric] i work for an environmental charity, so no budget for conferences, and we arnt allowed to go overseas on official business bits 😛
# [jeremycherfas] And what do you suppose made the China curve the way it is? Certainly not young people celebrating in bars that they are able to celebrate in bars.
# [jgmac1106] It is rare.... This jealousy for Totalitarian Governments that GSD. Most major metros shutting all bars and restaurants in US today
# [jgmac1106] Maybe flights get so cheap when they do start up again [g33kcentric] can afford a ticket with the Alfalfa sprouts and Tofu environmental workers get as pay
# [g33kcentric] heheh, ive never been on a plane before so it will be a couple of firsts for me!
# [jgmac1106] Wait for the airlines bailout gwg, airfare will be subsidized heavily
# [jgmac1106] I wonder how many airlines will fold between now and then
# [jeremycherfas] Good flor climate change, no?
# [g33kcentric] i feel like every time the gov bails out a big company, it should inject a load of cash into indie companies
# [jgmac1106] Yes on both points. Zero interest small biz loans or debt free grants
# [jgmac1106] I am hoping in us student loan forgiveness gets included as a Stimulus.... Why give all the love to oil, gas, air, and cruise industry
# [jgmac1106] The further down the food chain the more of your handout gets pumped right into economy
# [g33kcentric] urrrr food, its not lunch time for another hour and 20 yet 😢
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# [jeremycherfas] Hahaha; students don’t vote for the party giving the handouts, or pay for the lobbyists, or play golf.
# [jgmac1106] well I am off to a meeting to figure out how you train all your faculty and staff to learn to learn online without any opportunity for training
# [g33kcentric] amazing 😄 i just jumped on the zoom call to see what the org is going to do
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# [jeremycherfas] Good morning jmac
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# Loqi ok, I added "https://theintercept.com/2020/03/16/tiktok-app-moderators-users-discrimination/" to the "See Also" section of /TikTok https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69129&oldid=68752
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[KevinMarks] [g33kcentric] we had indiewebcamp London online over the weekend using zoom for about 25 of us and it worked well.
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# joshghent Been reading the wiki a lot and realised I need to dogfood a lot more, got tonnes to do and write. Will keep you all updated. I didn't see the point of a URL shortner but definitely going to get one now!
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# [Michael_Beckwi] i’d say don’t go diving in the deep end heads first, slowly-ish work your way into dogfooding
# [Michael_Beckwi] no need to overwhelm
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# [g33kcentric] Yeah thats what i did at first "im a web, ill be able to figure this out from scratch...", a week later i was still scratching my head 😄
# [g33kcentric] *im a web dev
# joshghent Yeah good points, taking it one step at a time. My main aim is to own my data and get it out of silos. I run a bunch of scrappers and written some my own but diving more into other proprietary services I use like Fitbit and stuff - I hadn't really considered it as a data silo but it massively is
# [Michael_Beckwi] and Fitbit is now owned by Google, or will be in the relatively near future
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jmac Short notice, am gonna co-host an online HWC-NYC with Marty McG: https://events.indieweb.org/2020/03/online-homebrew-website-club-new-york-7fc3xNyglfdf
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# joshghent [Michael_Beckwi] precisementé
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[schmarty] jmac++ this looks great!!
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# [Cheuk] ↩️ This is very nice, the website
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# [lutternoodle] ↩️ Good question! As far as I can tell, it’s all a fairly new and rapidly scaling initiative and they’re not attempting much of anything just yet. But they seem very open to anyone who has the bandwidth for it helping them figure out their internal ways or organizing and communicating collaboratively (and an IndieWeb approach I would think could be part of that).
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gRegorLove waves to [Simon_Prickett], welcome aboard
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# vika_nezrimaya hey there
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# vika_nezrimaya just made a beautiful IndieAuth login page in Kittybox style, avoiding jargon where possible and aiming to increase flexibility
# vika_nezrimaya now I'll need to write a backend for it so I could process webauthn...
# vika_nezrimaya but first burgers
# vika_nezrimaya food always comes first
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[tantek] UX << Thread: Anime computer human interface design examples and inferred principles: https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1238561450727112704 (see gifs / photos / videos)
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@Foone I want to build an anime computer. big CRT monitor, very high res. weird boxy shape. keyboard: lots of unlabeled rectangles and/or triangles (from https://specialkam.tumblr.com/post/67820544102) https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/ETBBEj1U8AAr_Mc.jpg (twitter.com/_/status/1238561450727112704)
# Loqi ok, I added "Thread: Anime computer human interface design examples and inferred principles: https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1238561450727112704 (see gifs / photos / videos)" to the "See Also" section of /user-experience https://indieweb.org/wiki/index.php?diff=69132&oldid=67543
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# vika_nezrimaya [tantek]: Hm... That could definitely be done! And with some SSR magic it could be curl-able!
# vika_nezrimaya Scrolling underlying HTML code on background, messages filling up the whole screen, keyboard-friendly interface, the website crashing if you mash your keyboard... I kinda like it
# vika_nezrimaya also one could take wireframe maps from OSM, center them around places one checks-in often and flash them on the background too
# vika_nezrimaya just need be careful to not induce a seizure I guess
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# gRegorLove vika_nezrimaya, congrats on the login page! is there a public version we can see?
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# vika_nezrimaya Not yet! but I could make a screenshot of what I see
# vika_nezrimaya gRegorLove: https://fireburn.ru/posts/1584394044
# Loqi [Vika] a screenshot of my new login page that will be used in the new version of Kittybox software suite! https://fireburn.ru/media/69/e1/16/7e/7f1343b626e0e1d15f17719474065a6230bcd6c315a54235c7b480e8.png
# vika_nezrimaya This is an example of what could be seen depending on scopes
# gRegorLove Looks good!
# vika_nezrimaya there are also: undelete (Restore previously deleted content on your website), read (Receive content from feeds you're subscribed to), follow (Follow and unfollow people), mute and block (Interact with your list of
{muted|blocked} users) and channels (Manage your subscription feeds)# vika_nezrimaya I hope it's not jargon-y :3
# vika_nezrimaya Obviously if you disable the checkbox, the permission would not be granted (an application will be able to detect this by getting an 401 insufficient_scope error)
# vika_nezrimaya That feature was present on my older website when I used my own IndieAuth endpoint
# vika_nezrimaya If there are gonna be really nagging apps that request permissions continuously even if you denied them (like some apps do outside the IndieWeb) I'll probably add a mode of "silently ignoring requests guarded by permission" for these apps
# vika_nezrimaya yea looking at you websites who nag me with notification prompts
# vika_nezrimaya also looking at you Instagram who prompts for my location when I open the freaking search bar
# vika_nezrimaya thank gods IndieWeb is not as toxic
# vika_nezrimaya As a matter of fact, Kittybox Companion on Android doesn't request location permission (The only `dangerous' permission it requests) unless you try to add a check-in
# gRegorLove I'm not sure what "interact with media attachments" means. Create, update, and delete them?
# vika_nezrimaya Yeah, basically all interactions with the media endpoint
# vika_nezrimaya I'll update it real quick :3
# vika_nezrimaya How about "Manage your media attachments"?
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# vika_nezrimaya I have so much stuff I'll need to deploy in the following months...
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# vika_nezrimaya The new media endpoint (which could be considered an MVP - it can already save stuff and show last 9 uploads (the last one is glitchy tho)), the new frontend, the new Micropub... The frontend will also host the auth and token endpoints because bootstrapping requires a secure channel between frontend and token endpoint and I cannot imagine something more secure than coupling them
# vika_nezrimaya the problem of bootstrapping a token endpoint is interesting for me. You need to have working IndieAuth and onboarding. To check for completed onboarding for redirection, you need to have a token for Micropub. But you can't get a token if you don't have IndieAuth, which means you need to retrieve a token separately.
# vika_nezrimaya that's why I simply decided to build the token endpoint into the frontend so it will issue a first token for itself basically
# vika_nezrimaya and then I'll have to build my own Microsub server and webmention endpoint
# vika_nezrimaya these probably will take both 2-3 microservices each
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# vika_nezrimaya mom's computer wakes up from suspend in the middle of the night. that's why i don't use windows
# vika_nezrimaya oops off topic
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# [jgmac1106] at some point today I passed 1,000 commits on my personal website
# vika_nezrimaya [jgmac1106]: Congratulations :3
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# [ColinMorris] Congrats [jgmac1106].
# [ColinMorris] Finally built my web blog-post interface to my Bitbucket powered blog. Can add a URL w' indicators of like-of/ in-reply-to etc. and it autogenerates the metadata for the output. Makes life much easier than having to remember what to do all the time 🙂
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