#indieweb 2024-03-09
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# [Al_Abut] Hi James! Wishing you all a fun weekend.
# [Al_Abut] Will follow along the best I can, given the time difference
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capjamesg The IndieWebCamp Brighton Zoom is open! https://events.indieweb.org/2024/03/indiewebcamp-brighton-2024-xRTP2hAZOvZd
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# [Ana_R] Voting has begun for our unconference 😊
# [Ana_R] Here’s the final sessions!
# capjamesg Energy efficiency https://etherpad.indieweb.org/Energy_Efficiency_IWC
# [Fran] Comment threads: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/brighton2024-comments
# [Fran] #comments ☝
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# [Paul_Robert_Ll] https://etherpad.indieweb.org/posse
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Session grid with links to Etherpads at https://indieweb.org/2024/Brighton/Schedule
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# [Fran] Site Death - https://etherpad.indieweb.org/brighton2024-site-death
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# [Joe_Crawford] unconference++
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# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Hosting pictures/photos https://etherpad.indieweb.org/pictures
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# [Ana_R] We took one! It hasn't been posted yet
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# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Yes, need to get it and upload it! We got many photos – and the sun was shining, too! 😎
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] In the main room with streaming this afternoon:
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] 3pm: Hosting
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] 4pm: Ease into IndieWeb
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] 5pm: Personal website pain points
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# [Paul_Robert_Ll] https://indieweb.org/File:iwc-brighton-2024-saturday-photo.jpg
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[jeremycherfas] Is there remote for other rooms? I’d like to eavesdrop on NFC.
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] We can ask the organiser of that session, and see if they can set up a Zoom meeting with a laptop. I’ll ask between sessions.
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] We’re going to run the NFC session in the main room
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# [Paul_Robert_Ll] [jeremycherfas] Should be able to follow along using Zoom link here: https://events.indieweb.org/2024/03/indiewebcamp-brighton-2024-xRTP2hAZOvZd
# [jeremycherfas] Strange view; large blank screen and tiny mosaic screen in a sidebar.
# [jeremycherfas] Blank screen is labelled Pixel 8 Pro
# [jeremycherfas] Screen now shows edent’s phone. Or someone’s phone.
# [jeremycherfas] Great session; thanks. Not that I can think of anything useful to do …
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# AbusedNewcomer27 what is indieweb about
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# [Ros] I forgot to post TESTING: https://etherpad.indieweb.org/testing
# [Ros] FYI: one of the tools we discovered that stirred many “omgs!” in the room was https://requestmap.webperf.tools/. _Submit a URL to generate a node map of all of the requests on the page. Rapidly identify what third-parties are on your site, where your transmitted bytes are coming from and how slow your domains are_
# [Ros] '
# [Ros] We typed in “http://cnn.com” and when you see this info as a visual, it leaves you gobsmacked. Long live Indie Web!
# [Al_Abut] So useful!
# [Al_Abut] Lots of other great tools too at the root url: https://webperf.tools/
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# [Paul_Robert_Ll] ❤
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Thanks to everyone who attended day 1, it was an absolute blast. Onwards, to day 2!
# [Fran] [Paul_Robert_Ll] ++, indeed!
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Thanks to [qubyte] too – who nearly had a bakery-related heart attack this morning! 🥐
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# [Paul_Robert_Ll] :shushing_face:
# [Fran] One thing that popped up a couple of times in discussions today, was the possibility of a space between the continuous flow of IRC/Slack, and the low interactivity of the Wiki. I was wondering: has there ever been something like a _forum_ for the Indieweb community? Asynchronous conversations, longer form, more space for snippets of code or similar. Flarum - https://flarum.org - is a nice modern project, similar to Discourse, that runs on the same
# [Fran] stack as Mediawiki 🤔
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[KevinMarks] the loqi to wiki coupling helps that a fair bit; what we have done when we need more persistent structured discussion is to use a github repo with issues in - we do that for specs and code projects
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# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Interesting idea. One thing I can’t get out of my head is of there being 2 communities almost – people wanting to get started and build their own websites (design, hosting, software choices etc.) and those looking to discuss and develop infrastructure, standards and protocols. And I wonder how much that, by pushing these 2 extremes together, it makes things more complicated for everyone. Perhaps something like a forum would better su
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] the former?
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] (Of course, need to be careful of having a split, no-crossover, etc. etc.)
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Also, forum would require community management. Kirby’s forums are a great example where the community has been managed very well, but its almost a full time job. https://forum.getkirby.com
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] I think its a useful provocation to ask if its working, or, could it work better for different audiences.
# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Maybe [manton] might be a useful person to ask too; perhaps slightly different product-orientated focus, but he originally started out with a Slack instance, but later moved to using a forum.
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[manton] One of the reasons I shut down the Slack was that it was becoming a support channel and there’s an expectation with chat that you will get an answer pretty quickly. I felt like I was obligated to always be online in a different way than checking support email. The forums allowed us to consolidate chat, help site, and community discussions to one place.
# [Ana_R] Thank you so much to everyone involved in day 1 of IndieWebCamp Brighton. It was a fantastic day!
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# [Fran] > It would be more accessible to more people. But also it might fragment the community.
# [Fran] I think opening up to async discussions would help a lot of people who don't think comfortable entering the IRC stream (think confused lurkers like me, but also neurodiversity). Re 'fragmented community', you might actually get the opposite effect: people might start in on place (chat, forum, wiki), but as they grow familiar they start appearing in others.
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# [Paul_Robert_Ll] Would ideally need to have a team of people
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[tantek] Btw what's worse than having another forum for the "option" of another set of folks participate is that forum turning into a empty ghost town filled with nothing but occasional unanswered questions, because the people with answers have no incentive motivation or time to check "yet another thing"
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